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32 minutes ago, ink said:

Will the PNC logo come off the building? 

 

Would love to see the Central Trust Bank logo return. Reminds me of the Lowe's hotel in Philly where they restored the historic PSFS sign on top:

 

 

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38 minutes ago, taestell said:

And will the Central Trust Bank logo return?

 

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I highly doubt it because PNC pays a pretty penny for the naming rights on the building. If your a landlord and your getting money just for a corporate name illuminated up top why get rid of it? 

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It would look just fine without the PNC logo.

 

It will also be nice not to have a PNC Center and a PNC Tower. 

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Is City Club taking over the entire tower or will some of the existing office tenants remain? The article mentioned that the building is currently 70% vacant but doesn't specify whether City Club will only be taking over that 70% or the entire building.

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12 minutes ago, taestell said:

Is City Club taking over the entire tower or will some of the existing office tenants remain? The article mentioned that the building is currently 70% vacant but doesn't specify whether City Club will only be taking over that 70% or the entire building.

Originally the whole building was being converted to apartments, but i dont see why they couldnt do office tenants in the lower floor plates that are wider than the upper floors. 

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I feel like the business courier article would have stated if office space was remaining in the building, but maybe not. I think it'd be a challenge to mix office and residential in this building. They'd have to have a separate elevator for the residential portion, unless they expect residents to be cool with anyone just gaining access to the residential floors. Wider floor plans on the lower floors could present challenges for residential conversion. But this is the same development team that did the low rise building next door, and that building has really large floor plates iirc, so they must have a similar strategy for the Central Trust Building's lower floors, I'd imagine.

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It's possible that there is a continuous shaft in the center of the tower up to the point, and that shaft can be converted to a freight elevator or express elevator to upper floors.  The Woolworth Building in NYC is very similar and that's what was done there.  

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City Club is officially the new owner of Fourth and Vine tower. 

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/09/05/exclusive-iconic-downtown-cincinnati-office-tower.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline

 

Development will bring:

 

1. Mixed-use space with ground floor retail, second floor commercial space

 

2. 262 new residential apartments

 

3. Focus on international design, boutique hotel style amenities, time saving services, fiber technologies and wellness.

 

Great, great news! Hopefully this translates to a CBD that is much more active after the afternoon workers head home to the burbs.

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Lately I've noticed an increase in pedestrian traffic crossing 2nd and 3rd between the Banks and the rest of downtown in the mornings. Hopefully this development will increase that foot traffic even more and add one more nudge to get the caps over FWW done. 

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309 Vine, PNC Tower, and 4th and Race alone will bring 820 new downtown residents within a block of one and another. 

 

Add any potential mixed use residential development at the convention parking lot site, and will probably reach over a 1,000-,1,100 residents in such a small radius. This movement is beyond amazing!

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Some interesting facts about Union Central Tower (aka PNC Tower) from Emporis:

  • When completed this was the 5th-tallest building in the world, only behind buildings in New York City. 
  • Originally colored brown; was painted white circa the 1940s.
  • Tallest building in Cincinnati from 1913 to 1931; surpassed by the Carew Tower.
  • The building appears on the skyline mural over the staircase at the Hilton Cincinnati Netherland Plaza, one block north.
  • Connected by two skyways at the 1st and 5th floors over Ogden Place to the PNC Building (now City Club Apartments CBD) located just to the south.
  • It was originally built as the headquarters of the Union Central Life Insurance Company, which was founded in Cincinnati in 1867.  The firm left the tower in 1964, relocating to a new corporate complex in the northern suburb of Forest Park.
  • The Mitchell Building, one of Cincinnati's earliest high-rise buildings, and H.H. Richardson's Chamber of Commerce Building, formerly stood on this site.
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^ good list.

I will add that it was designed by Ohioan and prominent American architect Cass Gilbert.

He is credited with designing the Woolworth building in NYC, US Supreme Court building in DC,  and a handful of buildings at Oberlin College.

He also helped the 1904 World Fair in St. Louis. Played a large role planning the in the Palace of Fine Arts, which was the only permanent building constructed for the fair. 

His body of work is incredible !

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Also, an interesting skyscraper-geek factoid:  It may be the only American building that went from 500+ to 500- feet (currently 495 feet) without being demolished. 

 

So here's a hint City Club...BRING BACK THE TOP!

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1 hour ago, ColDayMan said:

Also, an interesting skyscraper-geek factoid:  It may be the only American building that went from 500+ to 500- feet (currently 495 feet) without being demolished. 

 

So here's a hint City Club...BRING BACK THE TOP!

 

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Some interesting facts about Union Central Tower (aka PNC Tower) from Emporis:

When completed this was the 5th-tallest building in the world, only behind buildings in New York City. 

Originally colored brown; was painted white circa the 1940s.

Tallest building in Cincinnati from 1913 to 1931; surpassed by the Carew Tower.

The building appears on the skyline mural over the staircase at the Hilton Cincinnati Netherland Plaza, one block north.

Connected by two skyways at the 1st and 5th floors over Ogden Place to the PNC Building (now City Club Apartments CBD) located just to the south.

It was originally built as the headquarters of the Union Central Life Insurance Company, which was founded in Cincinnati in 1867.  The firm left the tower in 1964, relocating to a new corporate complex in the northern suburb of Forest Park.

The Mitchell Building, one of Cincinnati's earliest high-rise buildings, and H.H. Richardson's Chamber of Commerce Building, formerly stood on this site.

 

I believe only the top was originally brown, not the entire building.

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Iconic downtown office tower lands $5 million tax credit 

By Tom Demeropolis  – Senior Staff Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

Dec 19, 2019, 10:55am EST Updated 34 minutes ago

 

City Club Apartments, which has been planning a conversion of the Central Trust Tower in downtown Cincinnati into apartments, landed a $5 million tax credit to help the project come to fruition.

 

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HGC Construction is preparing to hang swing stages on the Union Central (PNC) Tower to conduct a survey of the exterior facades.  Great time of year to be hanging 28 stories up in the wind and cold.


 

 

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As one of my all time favorite buildings, I'm pleased to know this will be preserved for the foreseeable future.

 

I wonder if the original "Union Central" letters will return. That'd be odd as the company is still in business.

Or perhaps simply do something like the convention center and place "Cincinnati "across the faces of the roof?

 

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On 1/16/2020 at 10:23 AM, richNcincy said:

 

Anyway this can be verified? Would be a real tragedy.

 

It is a done deal.  Not sure why it is a tragedy as it helps capitalize the revitalization of the building.

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Photo from our exterior survey crew at Union Central Tower.  This photo was taken hanging 22 stories up just below the 23rd floor cornice.  The faces shown are approximately 6’ tall.

 

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The fact that they went to the effort to include that level of details 22 stories up and completely out of the view of pedestrians speaks to how different things used to be. Snakes for hair.

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