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2 hours ago, DevolsDance said:

 In the meantime, yes we are getting lots of 5-8 story builds which is unfortunate but also I keep forcing  myself to remember just how much surface they are filling. I would guess that we will start seeing more high rises in the near future and these smaller builds pushed to some of the edges of downtown, which wouldn't be the worst thing. 

The silver lining is that empty lots may get developed at a faster rate, since the demand won’t be satisfied as quickly with shorter buildings. Chicago’s West Loop is experiencing something similar from years of NIMBYs blocking anything taller than 10-20 stories.

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Lol, its sad to hear the tower got reduced, but if we had some sort of a rendering confirming the fact, then I would believe it.

 

Up in CLE the NuCLEus tower got reduced quite a bit, and we're actually really happy that it did get reduced, because it looks so much better.

 

Hopefully a rendering would help grab your attention and change your minds. 🙂

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Keeping the market in motion: Not satisfied with standing still, Rick Harrison Wolfe seeks new merchants – and new locales – for the North Market

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/04/04/keeping-the-market-in-motion-not-satisfied-with.html

 

A pretty interesting article overall, discussing the Bridge Park expansion and how the market helped launch some major local eateries.

The article also goes over Rick Harrison Wolfe's desire to keep amping up cuisine diversity in the market... but the real meat we care about comes in here...

 

"Though quiet for months, the 35-story North Market Tower plan remains on the table. First announced in 2017, the more than $100 million project would redevelop the parking lot into a mixed-use high rise that would include expanded market space, public space and additional parking. The North Market Development Authority and developers Wood Cos./Schiff Capital Group are hammering out details of their relationship before the project moves forward. “We have one chance to get this right,” Wolfe said.The market’s priorities remain the same as when the plans first were announced. They include a long-term financially sustainable structure to support the market, ensuring the tower fits with the existing historic building, and the ability to expand market services and operations. “It’s a complicated project at a crucial point with us and the developers and the city. It has to work for all of us,” Wolfe said. Michael Schiff, president of Schiff Capital, said he anticipates news soon on the project and remains positive about its progression.The city of Columbus, which owns the land and is the market’s landlord, has taken a step back at this point. They need to take the time to go through and figure out what’s important,” said Columbus Economic Development Director Steve Schoeny. “We support a vibrant, viable North Market. This is important enough to be patient about.”

 

I am going to look at this as good news. 

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So glad they came out and said this. I'm viewing it as good news as well and it gives me some confidence in the project. Even if there is a rumored height reduction, I feel like it'll be a great project. Hopefully we hear something sooner rather than later!

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Over the weekend, I was at an event, where I was able to pick the brain of a friend of mine who is heavily involved with commercial real estate in Columbus.  I brought up this project, and asked if he had any inside details, and although he couldn't go into a ton of specifics, he said the height will be at least 32 stories, and that the most recent updated renderings he was allowed to see within the last few weeks were "sick".......in a good way.  Not sure if we will get any public release/update soon, but this source is pretty reliable. 

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1 hour ago, Gnoraa said:

Over the weekend, I was at an event, where I was able to pick the brain of a friend of mine who is heavily involved with commercial real estate in Columbus.  I brought up this project, and asked if he had any inside details, and although he couldn't go into a ton of specifics, he said the height will be at least 32 stories, and that the most recent updated renderings he was allowed to see within the last few weeks were "sick".......in a good way.  Not sure if we will get any public release/update soon, but this source is pretty reliable. 

 

Just to clarify, were the new renderings he saw different than the renderings that were accidentally uploaded to project's website?

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33 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Just to clarify, were the new renderings he saw different than the renderings that were accidentally uploaded to project's website?

That was the impression I got.  He made it sound like he saw new ones that were just updated within the last 2 weeks.

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3 minutes ago, Gnoraa said:

That was the impression I got.  He made it sound like he saw new ones that were just updated within the last 2 weeks.

 

Awesome, thanks! Hopefully we can get some updates soon. It would be awesome to have this and the new Hilton tower under construction at the same time. 

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So I was just reading through this CU article about Hilton 2.0 again and I noticed in the comments section that a user by the name of 'michaelfromcolumbus' was claiming to have a bit of info about North Market Tower. He says the tower went through a complete design overhaul but is definitely still moving moving forward and should be presented to the commission by the end of the year. He says it will definitely still be 30+ stories tall but they have been tweaking some things to make the numbers work best. Finally, he says they plan to break ground during the first half of 2020. 

 

Hopefully we get some real news soon, but that's the latest random internet rumor on this project. 

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Looks like they're moving forward with the 28 story version.

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/07/11/new-shorter-175m-north-market-tower-plan-emerges.html?iana=hpmvp_colum_news_headline

 

Construction to begin mid next year with a 2022 completion date.  That means this will be going up at the same time as the new Hilton Tower, the new hotel on Park St, and the new Crew Stadium.  Going to be exciting times over there!

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31 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Looks like they're moving forward with the 28 story version.

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/07/11/new-shorter-175m-north-market-tower-plan-emerges.html?iana=hpmvp_colum_news_headline

 

Construction to begin mid next year with a 2022 completion date.  That means this will be going up at the same time as the new Hilton Tower, the new hotel on Park St, and the new Crew Stadium.  Going to be exciting times over there!

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  • "11,000 square feet of new market space including 3,900 square feet for more merchants, 4,400 square feet of public and event space, and 3,300 square feet of outdoor space for outdoor activities;
  • 150 residential units, with 20% of them designated as affordable to people making 80 or 100% of the area median income;
  • Restaurant and bar concepts and indoor and outdoor spaces including a rooftop venue, ground-floor retail and a wellness facility;
  • A 210-room independent boutique hotel to be operated by Rockbridge;
  • 90,000 square feet of Class A office space;
  • A 352-space parking garage."

That's a great mix of uses! I like this more than the original building. Hopefully this really is the final look. Also, another hotel for the area 👍

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3 minutes ago, aderwent said:

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  • "11,000 square feet of new market space including 3,900 square feet for more merchants, 4,400 square feet of public and event space, and 3,300 square feet of outdoor space for outdoor activities;
  • 150 residential units, with 20% of them designated as affordable to people making 80 or 100% of the area median income;
  • Restaurant and bar concepts and indoor and outdoor spaces including a rooftop venue, ground-floor retail and a wellness facility;
  • A 210-room independent boutique hotel to be operated by Rockbridge;
  • 90,000 square feet of Class A office space;
  • A 352-space parking garage."

That's a great mix of uses! I like this more than the original building. Hopefully this really is the final look. Also, another hotel for the area 👍

 

Yea, I know people were originally upset that the height had been reduced, but I've really grown to like this design and think it will be awesome.  Can't wait!

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In my honest opinion that is not a building that adds as much impact to a growing skyline as say the new Hilton building will. Not a huge fan of the new design compared to what was first revealed. But glad this project is moving forward. I'm most excited for an expanded North Market. 

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A 7-story height reduction would usually suck, but going from 35 to 28 isn't going to make a huge difference visually. It may not even lead to much of a reduction in terms of actual height as they could have slightly changed the height of each floor, made the atrium space taller, etc. 

 

In terms of design, I love it. I think this will actually add more volume to the skyline than the old version due to the variations in height which almost makes it look like two or three different buildings.

 

I also love the plaza area on the north side of the development. They did a great job of maintaining some open space closest to the North Market to help maintain its character by moving most of the massing to the opposite sides of the lot. 

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51 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

A 7-story height reduction would usually suck, but going from 35 to 28 isn't going to make a huge difference visually. It may not even lead to much of a reduction in terms of actual height as they could have slightly changed the height of each floor, made the atrium space taller, etc. 

 

In terms of design, I love it. I think this will actually add more volume to the skyline than the old version due to the variations in height which almost makes it look like two or three different buildings.

 

I also love the plaza area on the north side of the development. They did a great job of maintaining some open space closest to the North Market to help maintain its character by moving most of the massing to the opposite sides of the lot. 

 

It also looks like that plaza will have retractable glass, so that there will be open "outdoor" seating in the winter as well, but I could be wrong about that. I like that many new developments, especially rooftop ones, are using this approach.  Utilize the nice summer weather for outdoor open seating, but also have that same open outdoor feeling in the winter.  Obviously, a huge complaint about northern cities is the winter cold.  I like having options for this open outdoor feeling so you don't feel "holed up" all winter.

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My only wish is that the top section used more glass than the lower section as a way to create a really distinct look but overall i am pleased that it is going to get built above 25 stories. Your move, M Tower.

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I know some people are going to be disappointed but we were warned by a few posters back through the thread we'd be looking at a hight in this range. 

I have to admit that while I was skeptical, it looks like it'll be a really great building now that we are seeing official renders. What's most exciting is that it's a thousand times better than a surface lot, it adds to the market vendor space, adds residential, adds office, and pushes development downtown... overall this is a solid win. 

 

I also enjoy the people on the CU article losing their mind about parking like there isn't a 900 space garage on Vine Street already. 

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20 minutes ago, DevolsDance said:

I also enjoy the people on the CU article losing their mind about parking like there isn't a 900 space garage on Vine Street already. 

 

People have to have something to complain about!

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Doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of the "design competition?"  They picked a winner....and now they completely changed the design lol.  I mean, I like it, probably better than the original.  But if I'm one of the firms that lost, I'm probably thinking, "wtf? They didn't actually care about sticking to the designs we submitted?"  Just a little odd is all, given the "submit us your best proposals" mindset.  Design changes happen, of course, but if it's going to change that drastically, why have a pseudo-competition at all?

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Very Stable Genius

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Just now, BostickInsuranceAAA said:

Hello

 

Has anyone updated the skyline pictures with the new buildings that are either being constructed or in the process like the Hilton and North Market? 


Thank you

 

 

Here is a mockup I made for a different thread, the scale is slightly off but I think it gives a pretty solid idea of what we are looking at in the next few years. 

 

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37 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

Doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of the "design competition?"  They picked a winner....and now they completely changed the design lol.  I mean, I like it, probably better than the original.  But if I'm one of the firms that lost, I'm probably thinking, "wtf? They didn't actually care about sticking to the designs we submitted?"  Just a little odd is all, given the "submit us your best proposals" mindset.  Design changes happen, of course, but if it's going to change that drastically, why have a pseudo-competition at all?

 

Back in the Atari days, there was a special promotion for a game made by Quaker Oats called "Name this Game". So the game actually comes out and is available for months as "Name this Game" (we have a copy here at work). People were supposed to play they game then submit names for the game. The game was about an octopus. The winner was selected out of thousands of entries: Octopus. So they just picked some random kid's submission of "Octopus" even though probably 50% of the entries were "Octopus". Then the game was re-released as Octopus.

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1 hour ago, DarkandStormy said:

Doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of the "design competition?"  They picked a winner....and now they completely changed the design lol.  I mean, I like it, probably better than the original.  But if I'm one of the firms that lost, I'm probably thinking, "wtf? They didn't actually care about sticking to the designs we submitted?"  Just a little odd is all, given the "submit us your best proposals" mindset.  Design changes happen, of course, but if it's going to change that drastically, why have a pseudo-competition at all?

 

Yea, what's to stop the from proposing some really cool looking building just to win the proposal? I'm assuming there must be more to it than this.

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Another version of this new rendering for the revised North Market Tower from the below linked Dispatch article.  The Business First version cuts off the bottom of the rendering.  The Dispatch article also has a neat 36-image slideshow about the history of the North Market and renderings of the original tower proposal:

 

https://www.dispatch.com/business/20190711/hotel-apartments-offices-planned-for-new-tower-next-to-north-market

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32 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

 

Yea, what's to stop the from proposing some really cool looking building just to win the proposal? I'm assuming there must be more to it than this.

 

My guess is that major cost increases are what to the altered design, we've seen the same think happen with other major projects around the city and state. It seems the only projects getting off the ground right now are ones that were ready to go at announcement or one seeing massive scale backs like NuCLEus up in Cleveland which I believe is undergoing yet another. 

Skyrocketing construction costs are the death blow to these things right now. 

 

I feel like back in 2017 the original design was much more possible than it is now, but ultimately I think that competition came down to the actual use of space more than the design. I know the early press releases made it seem like the market authority and the city just vastly preferred the overall programming of space from Wood and Schiff over the others and may have stipulated that those uses needed to remain mostly unchanged with any future iterations. 

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2 hours ago, DevolsDance said:

 

Here is a mockup I made for a different thread, the scale is slightly off but I think it gives a pretty solid idea of what we are looking at in the next few years. 

 

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If you get bored today, could we trouble you for mockup of the entire skyline with these new buildings included? 

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Wow the dispatch article says it's now only 26 stories. That's even more disappointing. By the time construction starts up it'll probably be reduced even more. 

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6 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

Wow the dispatch article says it's now only 26 stories. That's even more disappointing. By the time construction starts up it'll probably be reduced even more. 

 

From the CU article:  Architecturally, the building has also dropped from 35 stories to somewhere in the neighborhood of 26 (with a finalized floor count still to be determined).

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^^^I think the fact that they came out today with this drastic redesign is proof it's still happening. They've put a lot of work into this, and I don't think it will be reduced more. I never thought this project was going away.

 

In fact, looking at the old renderings, this actually seems like it'll hold far more square footage than the original design, even at 26 stories. The massing is incredible and the density it'll hold/bring is also amazing. It's much taller in more places than just one super high tower in the center. I think this is honestly great.

 

And most importantly, I really dig the street-level design. This will feel great and right at home when it's done.

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26 stories is still meh when compared to the original 35 stories. Especially when you consider the current blah design of the  building. 

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Just now, Clefan98 said:

26 stories is still meh when compared to the original 35 stories. Especially when you consider the current blah design of the  building. 

That’s just like, your opinion, man. 

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