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New York Times, which Trump mocks as "failing," pulls in massive profit ...

 

New York Times reports $24 million profit in second quarter of 2018

BY BRETT SAMUELS - 08/08/18 05:29 PM ED

 

The New York Times, one of President Trump’s favorite targets for criticism, reported $24 million in profit in the second quarter of 2018 thanks to an increase in digital subscriptions.

 

The news outlet announced Wednesday that it added 109,000 digital-only subscribers from April-June, amounting to $99 million in revenue. That money helped offset a decline in print advertising, the company said.

 

Total revenue for The New York Times increased about 2 percent compared with the first quarter of 2018.

 

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http://thehill.com/homenews/media/400989-new-york-times-reports-24-million-profit-in-second-quarter-of-2018

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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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JUST IN: US Senate passes resolution with unanimous consent by voice vote that “affirms that the press is not the enemy of the people” and “reaffirms the vital and indispensable role that the free press serves” and “condemns the attacks on the institution of the free press.” https://t.co/uK8DvhsXie


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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Oldie but a goodie....

 

Experts have found the following analysis to be nearly 100% accurate:

 

1. The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who run the country.

 

2. The Washington Post is read by people who think they run the country.

 

3. The New York Times is read by people who think they should run the country, and who are very good at crossword puzzles.

 

4. USA Today is read by people who think they ought to run the country but don't really understand The New York Times.

 

5. The Los Angeles Times is read by people who wouldn't mind running the country, if they could find the time and if they didn't have to leave Southern California to do it.

 

6. The Boston Globe is read by people whose parents used to run the country.

 

7. The New York Daily News is read by people who aren't too sure who's running the country and don't really care as long as they can get a seat on the train.

 

8. The New York Post is read by people who don't care who is running the country as long as they do something really scandalous, preferably while intoxicated.

 

9. The Chicago Tribune is read by people who are in prison, who used to run the state, and would like to do so again, as would their constituents who are currently free on bail.

 

10 The Miami Herald is read by people who are running another country, but need the baseball scores.

 

11 The San Francisco Chronicle is read by people who aren't sure if there is a country or that anyone is running it; but if so, they oppose all that they stand for.  There are occasional exceptions if the leaders are gay, handicapped, minority, feminist, atheists, and those who also happen to be illegal aliens from any other country or galaxy, provided of course, that they are not Republicans.

 

12 The National Enquirer is read by people trapped in line at the grocery store.

 

13 The Oregonian is read by people who have recently caught a fish and need something to wrap it in.

 

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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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The notion that the media is essential to hold leaders accountable is a foundational principle of democracy. Trump has made that notion partisan. It is a long-term existential threat to American democracy. https://pewrsr.ch/2Dq6QMa


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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All the cable networks are too heavy on politics. It's why I watch mostly sports, Weather Channel and PBS/BBC...

 

CNN founder Turner says network is too heavy on politics

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cnn-founder-turner-says-network-too-heavy-politics-163101894.html


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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Nailed it....

 

 

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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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Tom Lindner

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Worth reading with your Saturday coffee.
"When demagogues stoke hostility on a big stage, the vitriol also spreads locally. Demagogues can stoke hostility on a big stage. But the vitriol is also going local. Earlier this month, a viral photo of a bumper sticker on a truck in Brooklyn read: “Fight for the Truth / Punch a journalist.” Only after a gunman killed five people at the offices of the Capital Gazette in Annapolis, Md., this summer did the online retailer CafePress stop selling t-shirts that said “Rope. Tree. Journalist. / Some assembly required.”

And check out a key comment on media ownership from a Boston Globe reader below.

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2018/10/26/the-high-cost-free-press/T1ojX1rMHUcteTB4DSitwL/story.html

 

 

On Facebook, Tom Lindner added.....

 

"About two thirds of American citizens say they no longer trust our ‘free press’ to tell the truth. This huge majority of our fellow citizens have realized that our ostensibly ‘free’ press can no longer be trusted. 

Only the most pliantly gullible still buy this 'free press' snake oil. 

The Telecommunications Act of 1996, (passed under Slick Willie’s Democratic administration), cleared the way for the centralization of ownership of ALL US mass media outlets, (including our ostensibly 'free' press), under the complete control of a relative handful of the Super Rich.

Today, 90% of ALL mass media outlets are owned by just 5 mega-corporations. (It was 6, but the mega-monopoly mergers just keep coming). The controlling blocks of stock in those corporations are owned by a relative handful of mega-powerful individuals. 

The other 10% of our mass media, like the Boston Globe, are owned by individual billionaire oligarchs like the Globe's John Henry.

THE MEANS of COMMUNICATION ARE the MEANS of POWER. The establishment of complete centralized control of the nation's means of mass communications has been the most powerful tool that our Super Wealthy Elites have acquired and used to gain complete effective control over our electoral process, and therefore over our government. 

Oh sure.....sure....we have a 'free' press. Our press is not under the direct control of our government. Our press is merely under the complete control of the Elites who also control the government.


The Boston Globe, under the courageous control and guidance of our indefatigable billionaire oligarch, Mr. Henry, is actually leading the nation in this attempt to purvey this bald-faced Big Lie, that the Super Wealthy Elites who own and control ALL our mass media are so magnanimous that they use this powerful tool to advance the interests of the Common Citizens.

The Super Wealthy who own ALL our mass media have no motives at ALL other than to advance and preserve our 'great democracy'. 

Step right up, folks! Getcher' own bottle a' snake oil while supplies last! 

Nothing would raise the political consciousness of even more of the citizenry much faster than to fully awaken to the stark reality of how centrally controlled our ‘free’ press is, and how effectively this powerful tool of social engineering is being used by the Elites who own it to effectively rule over our nation. 

All that is required to thus awaken is to open one’s eyes and look around, as ever more of the nation’s wealth and political power become ever more centralized in the hands of fewer and fewer people. 

As The Rich get ever richer, the faster they get even richer still. As they gain wealth and power, they use their power to get richer. When they get richer, they have even more power, which they use to get even richer still. 

The rate at which The Rich are getting richer is accelerating dramatically. The concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer hands is already approaching warp speed, and it’s just getting faster and faster with each new tax cut. 

The reason that we hear so little about this is because The Rich own ALL our mass media, and they use this immensely powerful tool of social engineering to keep our attention focused on other things, (like where transgender people go potty, etc. How ‘bout them Sox?) 

But all the Elites’ horses, and all of their men, just cannot keep ever more citizens from awakening to reality. 

They keep trying, though. Bullets of sweat so clearly visible on their brows, they keep trying their best to sell that same old (same old) snake oil. 

Their grip on power is TOTALLY dependent on fooling enough of the people most of the time. 

But two out of every three of us are already ‘on’ to the game. No matter how skillfully they shuffle that pea from under one shell to another, we can follow it. 

We already know that there is no ‘free press’ in the US. US mass media may very well be ‘free’ from direct government control, but MOST of us can already clearly see that our ostensibly ‘free’ press is centrally controlled by the SAME Super Wealthy Elites that control our government. 

THE MEANS of COMMUNICATION ARE THE MEANS of POWER!

I guess we’ll see how it all works out."


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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A warning for America. Their prime minister didn’t like what the press was reporting, so he took it over....
 
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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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LOL!!

 

 


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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Am I really the only one posting in this thread? 

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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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The 'net has blurred the line between professional and amateur journalist.   One result is the burden of determining the truth has migrated from the reporter to the reader.  We have free speech, and now more than ever we will probably always have it.    What we've lost is the ability to determine the value of the speech of others.

 

My personal view is this path was cemented between 1998 and 2004, when the news establishment screwed the pooch.   They tried to ignore or stir events and got busted.   First by a guy with a website (Matt Drudge), then by a guy with a website account (Harry MacDougald, aka "Buckhead").

 

For better or worse it is what it is.

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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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But we're the greatest country on Earth! 

 

United States added to list of most dangerous countries for journalists for first time

At least 63 professional journalists were killed doing their jobs in 2018, a 15 percent increase over last year, Reporters Without Borders said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/united-states-added-list-most-dangerous-countries-journalists-first-time-n949676


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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WATCH: William Barr says he could conceive of prosecuting journalists ‘as last resort’

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-william-barr-says-he-could-conceive-of-prosecuting-journalists-as-last-resort


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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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On 12/31/2018 at 10:30 AM, KJP said:

But we're the greatest country on Earth! 

 

United States added to list of most dangerous countries for journalists for first time

At least 63 professional journalists were killed doing their jobs in 2018, a 15 percent increase over last year, Reporters Without Borders said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/united-states-added-list-most-dangerous-countries-journalists-first-time-n949676

So what is the total number of journalists killed in th US? I see the Annapolis mass shooting of 5 killed is mentioned but that was done by a mentally deranged man with a history of lawsuits etc against this particular newspapaer.

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Because all the other attacks against journalists around the world were by sane people? Murders of journalists is only one metric used to measure "dangerous."

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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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19 minutes ago, KJP said:

Because all the other attacks against journalists around the world were by sane people? Murders of journalists is only one metric used to measure "dangerous."

 

Oh, if it's just one metric of the measure to describe ''dangerous''; where else did the U.S. rank so high as to make it the top 5?

 

The U.S. is only on the list for the 1st time because of the Annapolis shootings.  Given the rash of U S mass shootings for various reasons it's more of another chance workplace/grudge holding target.  Four (4) journalists were killed in Annapolis.

 

2 other journalists were killed by a falling tree in NC during hurricane reporting.

 

The headline makes it appear that the U.S. is experiencing the type of issues journalists in Mexico, Yemen, or Afghanistan are.  I don't expect the U.S to be on the list again.  The Annapolis shooting was rooted in a long-term grudge the shooter had related to him being ''defamed'' by the paper going back to about 2011.

 

None of this is good, just wanted to add context.

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If you want to experience context, work in journalism some time. Then report back how often you get your life threatened because you did your job and did it well. 


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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3 hours ago, KJP said:

If you want to experience context, work in journalism some time. Then report back how often you get your life threatened because you did your job and did it well. 

Well lots of jobs can result in threats because you did your job and did it well.  The posted story headline is misleading as it relates to the U.S. though.

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But a lot of jobs aren't essential to democracy nor specifically protected in the Constitution.


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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On 1/22/2019 at 9:52 AM, KJP said:

But a lot of jobs aren't essential to democracy nor specifically protected in the Constitution.

True, but that headline that the U.S. being a top 5 most dangerous country for journalists is misleading. 

 

That said, while essential to democracy, the free press has a duty to report the facts.  Honesty is inherent though in the free press role in a democracy and its constitutional protection.

 

The free press is not protecting itself from social media unfortunately.  Twitter is replacing the free press just as it is the judge and jury.

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I started working at one of these local newspapers two years before the Communications Act of 1995 was passed, leading to conglomerates buying up and destroying mine and other local newspapers. Those were the last good days of the local newspaper and its demise helped destroy a sense of community in this country. Now our news is nationalized, shallow, distant and divisive.

 

 


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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On 2/1/2019 at 10:11 AM, KJP said:

Now our news is nationalized, shallow, distant and divisive.

 

 

Indeed it is!

 

Lara Logan Slams Media For Becoming Left-Wing "Propagandists" With "Horseshit" Low Standards

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/19/lara_logan_hits_media_for_becoming_left-wing_propagandists_horseshit_low_standards.html

 

Logan said she used to doubt claims of media bias but now laments the "horseshit" low standards of her fellow journalists.
"You need at least two first-hand sources for something, right?" she said. "Those things help keep your work to a certain standard. Those standards are out the window. I mean, you read one story or another and hear it and it’s all based on one anonymous administration official, former administration official. That’s not journalism. That’s horseshit. Sorry. That is absolute horseshit.

 

So much truth here.  About media bias.  About journalistic standards degrading.  And what exactly constitutes a grass-roots movement anymore?  nobody seems to know or care.  Everything is "retweeted", or shared instantly

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2 hours ago, gottaplan said:

 

Indeed it is!

 

Lara Logan Slams Media For Becoming Left-Wing "Propagandists" With "Horseshit" Low Standards

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/19/lara_logan_hits_media_for_becoming_left-wing_propagandists_horseshit_low_standards.html

 

Logan said she used to doubt claims of media bias but now laments the "horseshit" low standards of her fellow journalists.
"You need at least two first-hand sources for something, right?" she said. "Those things help keep your work to a certain standard. Those standards are out the window. I mean, you read one story or another and hear it and it’s all based on one anonymous administration official, former administration official. That’s not journalism. That’s horseshit. Sorry. That is absolute horseshit.

 

So much truth here.  About media bias.  About journalistic standards degrading.  And what exactly constitutes a grass-roots movement anymore?  nobody seems to know or care.  Everything is "retweeted", or shared instantly

 

I'm struggling to connect both the belief that media standards are "horseshit" because they don't verify their information... with praise that Fox and Breitbart are excellent sources of responsible journalism.  Lara Logan sounds like an absolute tool. 

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Here's what I have learned - and you don't have to share this opinion with me...

 

With regards to reactive storylines, i.e. Jussie Smollet, Covington Catholic, etc. publications like WaPo and NYT are often quick to portray assumptions as fact. Sometimes it's correct, sometimes it's not. We remember the times they're not correct the most. 

 

With regards to investigative pieces, the WaPo and NYT are air tight, and seldom need to offer any corrections. 

 

I try to base my perceptions of headlines based on if its a reactive story or an investigative piece. 

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11 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I'm struggling to connect both the belief that media standards are "horseshit" because they don't verify their information... with praise that Fox and Breitbart are excellent sources of responsible journalism.  Lara Logan sounds like an absolute tool. 

 

Serious question - acknowledging most media is biased these days, where would we be without a Fox news or some equivalent on the right?  Only outlets on the left?  Would all mainstream media be considered the new "right" wing media?

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11 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I'm struggling to connect both the belief that media standards are "horseshit" because they don't verify their information... with praise that Fox and Breitbart are excellent sources of responsible journalism.  Lara Logan sounds like an absolute tool. 

She was not necessarily praising Fox News and Brietbart. She was just saying that with the liberal slant, it is important to at least hear their perspective. If it were reversed, she said, she would have the same issue. She was not praising them for responsible journalism. Maybe in some cases they have been more responsible than the main stream media.

Her issue with the media was the quick rush to break a story and sensationalist desire to be first and fit a narrative at the cost of truly verifying facts and sources. It is why Buzzfeed News is such a dumpster fire. The reliable sources like NYT and WaPo and CNN sometimes cave into this pressure instead of actually getting their facts right and sources right, and that is the irresponsible journalism that she was talking about.

I would not consider Logan a hard core conservative. She is more moderate it seems.

 

 

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Not sure if this quite belongs here - https://www.vox.com/2019/2/19/18231993/cnn-gop-operative-2020-election-coverage

 

CNN hires GOP operative with no journalism experience to coordinate its 2020 coverage

 

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CNN announced on Tuesday it has hired longtime Republican operative Sarah Isgur as political editor, charged with shaping its 2020 campaign coverage.

 

According to a CNN spokesperson, Isgur, who most recently worked as the Department of Justice’s main spokesperson under then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions, will coordinate the network’s political coverage for the 2020 election cycle on TV and on CNN’s website. Isgur starts work next month, and will not be involved in coverage of DOJ. She will occasionally appear on TV.

 

Isgur’s LinkedIn page indicates she has no journalism experience. She has, however, worked for a variety of right-wing organizations and campaigns, including the Carly Fiorina and Mitt Romney presidential bids, the Republican National Committee, and a Ted Cruz US Senate campaign.

 

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The Washington Post reported that during an early 2017 Oval Office meeting with President Donald Trump, Isgur — who was critical of Trump during the 2016 campaign — “kowtowed to Trump” and pledged loyalty to his agenda as a condition of getting the job as Sessions’ spokesperson.

 

Very cool, CNN.


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52 minutes ago, gottaplan said:

 

Serious question - acknowledging most media is biased these days, where would we be without a Fox news or some equivalent on the right?  Only outlets on the left?  Would all mainstream media be considered the new "right" wing media?

 

Biased doesn't mean they have an agenda that's always beneficial to the democrats.  I don't really see a comparison here.  CNN is not the equivalent of Fox on the left. MSNBC probably is closest, and that was done as a reaction to Fox's success.  Fox is blatant and appears to actively work to downplay stories critical of Republicans (or their crush du jour).  They bury ledes, de-prioritize stories that counter their narrative, spin the information, and then put an opinion piece on right after the news to tell everyone how to digest it all.  And their audience laps it up.  Moreover, since they have effectively sold all conservatives on the opinion that all other news is liberal, they have, basically, a monopoly on conservative information and talking points.  There is no such thing on the left.

 

CNN certainly has more left leaning people in its organization, and they clearly have a problem with Trump (how can you not? and if you attack the media, they're probably going to be on the look out to attack back), but they don't bury information regularly or spin it so blatantly. They are just not great journalists, period.  My problem with CNN is that they want to fill the airwaves 24/7 and they jump the gun or use social media and other not great sources to ensure they have enough material.  They also jumped straight into the outrage culture.  But that doesn't mean they're an agent of the democrats like Fox clearly is of the republicans.

 

The traditional media - CBS, ABC, NBC.  Not even in the same league, and to try and paint them as liberal media seems misguided at best.

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Has anyone here heard about The Correspondent? It's an upstart online platform that provides "unbreaking news". Basically, they are looking to do in-depth stories that are well researched and not reactionary stories. Think "The Athletic" but for journalism instead of sports journalism. They have an ad-free model that will be on a pay-as-you-want subscription basis.

 

Apparently they did this in the Netherlands with a Dutch language publication and it has been successful.

 

Any opinions on this?

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I love to read more in-depth, well researched stories on just about anything, be it political, or anything.  My favorite news program is Fareed Zakaria on CNN sunday mornings because he dives so deep into a variety of topics.

 

I don't know about the pay-as-you-want model though.  It just doesn't seem viable with so much free content available

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13 hours ago, gottaplan said:

 

Serious question - acknowledging most media is biased these days, where would we be without a Fox news or some equivalent on the right?  Only outlets on the left?  Would all mainstream media be considered the new "right" wing media?

 

First of all, I don't think anyone can take any claims from Logan seriously to begin with.  Her view that most media is liberally-biased is not supportable.  Most media is, in fact, neutral or with only small inherent biases one way or another.  Second, while her point on media integrity being watered down these days holds merit, she loses all credibility by suggesting it is only a problem with liberal media.  Fox News is practically Trump's personal propaganda mouthpiece, and I don't think we even need to get into the problems with Brietbart, but she acted like they had no such integrity issues.  Simply put, she's full of crap.  Finally, I don't see Fox News as some legitimate counter to overwhelming liberal bias in the media.  Trash is trash.  I'd happily give up any of the most extremely biases news organizations on the left if it meant Fox News and the like would go crawl back under the rocks from which they came.

 

 

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^ I would tend to believe Logan's assessment over yours, no offense. She is an insider, she hangs out with journalists and collaborates with them on a regular basis. She knows how they think off camera. I think Twitter has exposed a lot of this in journalists. Before, they were seen as impartial because they did not have a platform to express their opinions. They had to be neutral or more neutral at work, but could take liberties in framing the story to their viewpoint some. With Twitter, the guise is gone.

 

Personally, if I were a news organization, and I have heard other people say this, I would ban my reporting staff from communicating and posting on Twitter as it removes impartiality. Even when they have journalistic integrity in their articles, the taint from their Twitter opinions, either right or left, skews the reader's belief in their accuracy.

 

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