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13 hours ago, taestell said:

In a nutshell, Oregon Republicans are exploiting an arcane constitutional provision in order to exert veto power over legislation developed by the Democratic majority, on behalf of an almost entirely white, rural minority.

 

"Arcane" is a biased word.  It's a constitutional provision.

 

So, just to be clear, which of these is the real reason these people deserve to be trampled on: because they're rural, because they're white, or because they're a minority?

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22 minutes ago, Gramarye said:

 

"Arcane" is a biased word.  It's a constitutional provision.

 

So, just to be clear, which of these is the real reason these people deserve to be trampled on: because they're rural, because they're white, or because they're a minority?

trampled on is weird phrase to use for asking Republicans to show up and do their job. 

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If the republican senators don’t like the proposed legislation, they should show up to work and vote against it.

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4 minutes ago, taestell said:

If the republican senators don’t like the proposed legislation, they should show up to work and vote against it.

 

Why should they do that when their opposition is more effective when they don't?

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A lot of Republicans seem like children in many ways- overly emotional, pout when not getting their way, prefer make believe over reality, engage in what is essentially "I know you are, but what am I" on a regular basis, do not have a complex understanding of morality, etc.  

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Just now, Gramarye said:

 

 

Why should they do that when their opposition is more effective when they don't?

 

That's not opposition.  Opposition actually takes work.  They're simply hiding from their responsibilities because they don't like losing.  They're cowards.

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If each party exploits the quorum rules, then legislation can never get done without a 2/3 majority.  This is not the intent of the rule. 

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I wonder if the Republican senators are still getting their paycheck from the taxpayers while they refuse to show up to work and do their job. End the welfare state!

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1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

The country was not set up on the basis of pure democracy. It was set up to protect against the mob rule. 

 

It seems like the mob is the small number of legislators that are actively trying to sabotage the government from the inside because they don't like the decisions that the people have made. If they don't like a policy they should use their platform to speak out and they should campaign like hell for other folks that agree with them. Holding the government hostage is not the way. 

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25 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

It seems like the mob is the small number of legislators that are actively trying to sabotage the government from the inside because they don't like the decisions that the people have made. If they don't like a policy they should use their platform to speak out and they should campaign like hell for other folks that agree with them. Holding the government hostage is not the way. 

That is where collaboration and compromise come into play. Just because 90% of people think something is a "perfect" idea does not make it so. There are blind spots to large groupthink and sometimes having a minority bring concerns up, even if it appears to be stonewalling,  is a way to make legislation better for everyone. 

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17 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

That is where collaboration and compromise come into play. Just because 90% of people think something is a "perfect" idea does not make it so. There are blind spots to large groupthink and sometimes having a minority bring concerns up, even if it appears to be stonewalling,  is a way to make legislation better for everyone. 

 

Right. Bring it up. Discuss. Advocate. 

 

As someone else already mentioned, the majority has changed the legislation multiple times based on the wishes of the opposition. Walking out and throwing a tantrum is not the way to do business and I would say the same if the Democrats were the ones doing it. 

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54 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

It seems like the mob is the small number of legislators that are actively trying to sabotage the government from the inside because they don't like the decisions that the people have made. If they don't like a policy they should use their platform to speak out and they should campaign like hell for other folks that agree with them. Holding the government hostage is not the way. 

 

9 hours ago, X said:

 

AKA Democracy, which Republicans don't believe in unless they're winning.

 

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They are elected to fight for their constituents, whose interests will almost certainly be harmed by a cap-and-trade bill rammed onto them by urban interests that don't yet have enough power to change the state constitution to eliminate the provision that the Republicans are using to defend their constituents.  Soon enough the Democrats may well have enough power in Oregon to do that, in which case that will be that.  But the Republicans have at least bought their people a little more time before these new burdens are imposed on them by the majority.

 

You say this isn't democracy.  This is democracy: Fight for the people who voted you in or be prepared for them to vote you out.

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10 hours ago, X said:

 

AKA Democracy, which Republicans don't believe in unless they're winning.

 

Which Republicans aren't winning, unless they are gerrymandering.   

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Susan Collins does not "understand" why Maine voters have turned on her

"I am doing exactly the same thing I’ve always done," the GOP senator said in an interview

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/03/susan-collins-does-not-understand-why-maine-voters-have-turned-on-her_partner/


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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is anyone going to run against that guy? i mean really. what does he have on people? certainly some will step up. come on repubs where is your spine?

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A Right-Wing Billionaire Was Just Convicted of Bribery, and He’s Dragging Republicans Down With Him

The GOP candidate for governor in North Carolina is already being plagued by his connection to Greg Lindberg.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/03/a-right-wing-billionaire-was-just-convicted-of-bribery-and-hes-dragging-republicans-down-with-him/


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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30 minutes ago, KJP said:

A Right-Wing Billionaire Was Just Convicted of Bribery, and He’s Dragging Republicans Down With Him

The GOP candidate for governor in North Carolina is already being plagued by his connection to Greg Lindberg.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/03/a-right-wing-billionaire-was-just-convicted-of-bribery-and-hes-dragging-republicans-down-with-him/

 

This is big, Thom Tillis' senate seat is very much in play and the senate could flip. Dems have a great candidate.

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"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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Political parties are awful to begin with. Republicans take it to a whole new level of social depravity....

 

 

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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Or they could just act responsibly and win reelection....

 

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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^ maybe if instead of 70+ year old human beings, they were fertilized eggs, GOP would take an interest.  Instead, the old people are finally getting their death panels. 

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1 hour ago, taestell said:

Republicans: I am pro life!

 

Also Republicans: *ALL* lives matter!

 

Also Republicans:

 

 

Its been one week... Where did they get "more than three months" from

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10 hours ago, taestell said:

Republicans: I am pro life!

 

Also Republicans: *ALL* lives matter!

 

Also Republicans:

 

 

It's almost like they are endorsing Obama's "Death Panels" (that my Fox News watching parents fully believed in).  

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1 hour ago, DarkandStormy said:

Why is the Tea Party not loudly protesting all of this government spending?

 

They are saving it for the White House briefing when Trump darkens the spray tanner to black-face and wears a tan suit...

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1 hour ago, DarkandStormy said:

Why is the Tea Party not loudly protesting all of this government spending?

They dont like it, but probably realize it is for the best at this point. Live to fight that fight another day.

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3 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

They dont like it, but probably realize it is for the best at this point. Live to fight that fight another day.

Lol. Sure

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46 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

They dont like it, but probably realize it is for the best at this point. Live to fight that fight another day.

 

No, that doesn't sound right at all. Try again.

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And when they try to sound conservative they only end up sounding inhumane...

 

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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5 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

They dont like it, but probably realize it is for the best at this point. Live to fight that fight another day.

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.


Very Stable Genius

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5 hours ago, Clefan98 said:

 

No, that doesn't sound right at all. Try again.

You also have to look at it from the POV that this was a recession caused by government intervention into commerce so from that perspective, many Tea party types can get on board because in one sense, it is making them whole for hte damage they suffered by the government. 

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8 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

Why is the Tea Party not loudly protesting all of this government spending?

 

They're too busy selling heroin.

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23 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

You also have to look at it from the POV that this was a recession caused by government intervention into commerce so from that perspective, many Tea party types can get on board because in one sense, it is making them whole for hte damage they suffered by the government. 

Oh c'mon man. The Tea Party got completely silent about all spending once the colored fella wasn't president anymore.

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10 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

The last recession was caused by a lack of intervention into commerce -- or more precisely a removal of it.

Actually, that is not quite accurate. The last recession was caused by the housing bubble, that is correct, and the fact that loan requirements had been loosened to allow for credit when credit was not worthy, however, that was caused by the government in the late 90s under the Clinton WH and then further exacerbated by the Bush WH in an effort to drive home ownership to artificial levels. It started when the government pushed the loan servicers through incentives as well as punishment to relax underwriting standards in certain neighborhoods in order to spur homeownership in lower income areas. This occurred in the 90s under Clinton. In the early 2000's under Bush, to get out of the post 9/11 recession, they doubled down on this and expanded upon the policies. This caused loan servicers like Fannie and Freddie to look anywhere and everywhere to get home owners and encouraged the subprime crisis. The market of course filled with brokers who were more than happy to meet the demand since the government was essentially encouraging it. Wall Street, commoditized these products essentially under the guidance of the government to fulfill the government macro goals and policy. 

 

So while you may see this as the private sector running amok. It was based on the queues they received from the government sector and the poor government policies which essentially forced many of the providers of credit to comply. So in reality, the 08 recession was caused by the government.

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7 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

So in reality, the 08 recession was caused by the government.

 

2020 Tea Party: The government is causing this recession, therefore we are OK with the government compensating people for the loss of their income.

 

2008 Tea Party (upon revision, perhaps): The government is causing this recession, all of this stimulus spending is out of control!

 

Can't qwhite tell the difference.


Very Stable Genius

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3 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

2020 Tea Party: The government is causing this recession, therefore we are OK with the government compensating people for the loss of their income.

 

2008 Tea Party (upon revision, perhaps): The government is causing this recession, all of this stimulus spending is out of control!

 

Can't qwhite tell the difference.

But to your theory, we need the government to help solve the problems, if you haven't seen, they have caused a lot of the problems to begin with. 

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6 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

But to your theory, we need the government to help solve the problems, if you haven't seen, they have caused a lot of the problems to begin with. 

 

This is a nice distraction attempt to move away from the fact that you are finding any way possible to defend the racist Tea Party.


Very Stable Genius

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43 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

This is a nice distraction attempt to move away from the fact that you are finding any way possible to defend the racist Tea Party.

1) I was not defending the Tea Party, only rationalizing them.

2) I would say they are not racist, they only care about tax and fiscal issues. That is a big difference between white nationalist racist or democrat racists ( or racist democrats if you prefer)

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