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19 hours ago, mcmicken said:

They have never mentioned using the lagering cellars. The only plans I've seen show parking on that site. Berding alluded to a beer garden, but nothing more.

I thought I read somewhere that they are "using the cellars". that was a few days ago. I just thought it had to do with an on-site beer hall. 

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7 hours ago, ucgrady said:

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I assume the Ballet would be where the 'Proposed Restaurant' is shown, and potentially extending into where the surface parking lot is shown. Basically they would re-purpose the train bridge as a pedestrian connection towards Reading Rd.

 

Using the old train bridge for pedestrian use is OK, but it doesn't solve the real problem which is the walk from there to the bell tower at 13th and Reading.  The traffic in that block of Reading  is very dangerous to pedestrians and bicyclists, and the sidewalks narrow.  

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Right -- turning the rail bridge into a pedestrian bridge is a nice grand gesture and the administration will surely have a big ribbon cutting ceremony and say, "look how much we care about pedestrians!" But in order to make any real impact on the site's walkability, you need to make Elsinore Place and Reading Road way more pedestrian-friendly, which our current administration isn't going to be willing to do.

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Elsinore could easily lose a lane each way and it would affect nothing, same with removing the two right turn slip lanes from Gilbert and onto I-71 north.  Reading is another story.  The side that actually has buildings fronting it has a total crap sidewalk with encroaching utility poles, overhead sign gantry foundations, and fire hydrants.  The east side on the other hand has a wide planting strip and tree line.  I can totally see the administration pulling an Eggleston and paving over that whole east side to make a crap shared use path and then getting all indignant when anyone points out that it doesn't fix the problem.  

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32 minutes ago, oakiehigh said:

I would put money down that this bridge will be slated for demo when the time comes for ODOT to revamp this area of 71.

 

I'm not an engineer but is there any way to build some type of support columns/structure that would allow buildings to be built above 1-71? 

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When I walk to Eden park from Pendleton,  From 13th and Reading, I cut in at the staples, then walk through the parking lot behind the parking garage and office building, which then drops me off at Elsinore right at the bridge over 71.

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3 hours ago, troeros said:

I'm not an engineer but is there any way to build some type of support columns/structure that would allow buildings to be built above 1-71? 

 

It's all about the vision of local, regional, and state leaders and what they are willing to fight for. I-71 could get the Fort Washington Way treatment from the Lytle Tunnel to the Norwood Lateral -- sink the entire highway down into a channel and make it "cap-able". As demand warrants, cap it block by block. You could completely stitch Evanston, Hyde Park, Oakley, and Norwood back together into one seamless urban fabric and rebuild all of the streets that are currently severed by the highway.

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40 minutes ago, taestell said:

 

It's all about the vision of local, regional, and state leaders and what they are willing to fight for. I-71 could get the Fort Washington Way treatment from the Lytle Tunnel to the Norwood Lateral -- sink the entire highway down into a channel and make it "cap-able". As demand warrants, cap it block by block. You could completely stitch Evanston, Hyde Park, Oakley, and Norwood back together into one seamless urban fabric and rebuild all of the streets that are currently severed by the highway.

 

That would be an amazing $8-10 billion project

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I-71 is already mostly below grade between McGregor and the Lateral, so you wouldn't really need to sink it to still have a lot of room to build over.  It would only peek above ground at Victory Parkway and around Dana and Smith-Edwards.  Between McGregor and the Lytle Tunnel however, that would be a massive undertaking. 

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It would be outrageously expensive if you built it out all at once of course. I was thinking something more along the lines of the I-70 project in Denver, where they are tearing down the existing elevated highway and replacing it with a new highway built FWW-style, below grade. There is one "cap" as part of the initial project, but you can imagine that over the years it might make more and more sense to cap additional parts of it. Keep in mind that I-71 is about half as wide as Denver's I-70, pictured below.

 

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That's a half well done implementation. What's the point of a nice, large park with zero access? I don't see any crosswalks and the surrounding neighborhood is just as split in half by the park as by the highway. Perhaps they have plans to integrate and connect after this initial build out?

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That's just a rendering that the state DOT put together, I imagine that there will be actual crosswalks built at cross streets so that the neighborhoods can actually access the park.

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I'm not sure that any of this is technically possible.  The Lytle Tunnel is actually fairly high in "altitude".  I-71 would have to slope at a steeper angle than it does currently downward from Walnut Hills, dip significantly lower than it is currently where it is elevated above Eggleston (so 50~ feet lower than it is now), and then rise to enter the Lytle Tunnel, assuming it isn't rebuilt 50+ feet lower than it now exists.  

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Is there any way to move the Lyte Tunnel I-71 lanes to the 471/50 junction? Especially if you removed the ramps connecting 5th street and 50? It's really tight around there, but there's gotta be a way to make it work.

If you can free up the tunnel, you might be able to run trains through it to the Riverfront Transit Center.  

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14 hours ago, carnevalem said:

Is there any way to move the Lyte Tunnel I-71 lanes to the 471/50 junction? Especially if you removed the ramps connecting 5th street and 50? It's really tight around there, but there's gotta be a way to make it work.

If you can free up the tunnel, you might be able to run trains through it to the Riverfront Transit Center.  

Riverftont Transit Center, now theres a can of worms

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FC Cincinnati lands key approvals for West End stadium

 

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FC Cincinnati received unanimous approval on Friday morning for a major amendment to its concept plan as well as the final development plan for phase 1 of its $250 million West End stadium.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/09/13/fc-cincinnati-lands-key-approvals-for-west-end.html


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FC Cincinnati provides peek into stadium suites

 

FC Cincinnati has launched sales of suites that will be located in the Major League Soccer team’s West End stadium that’s expected to open in 2021.

 

The stadium will include 54 traditional suites that can be reserved via a $10,000 refundable deposit. The spaces will be leased in five-, seven- and 10-year increments. Priority will be given to current season ticket members and team partners through Nov. 22.

 

To kick off the sales, FC Cincinnati shared renderings of what some of the suites will look like.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/10/04/fc-cincinnati-provides-peek-into-stadium-suites.html

 

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The quality looks nice but I was disappointed to see when I got the email how much of the seating is going to be club seating. It looked like around half to me if not more. This will drastically reduce affordability of games since they're also limiting the number of seats to 25k. We've had Bailey tickets since the beginning but will be moving to the old ga section due to ticket price increases.  Worried to see what it will be in the new stadium.

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Good for them for using the leverage they have in controlling the narrative.  Any savvy business person would do the same thing.

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Does anyone know what happened at the Historic Conservation Board meeting on Monday regarding the church at 1556 John?

I can't seem to find any info about what happened at the meeting. I can only find the agenda.

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1 minute ago, ryanlammi said:

I can't seem to find any info about what happened at the meeting. I can only find the agenda.


that’s the way it is for every meeting. this is a huge flaw in the way HCB publishes information 

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1 minute ago, thebillshark said:


that’s the way it is for every meeting. this is a huge flaw in the way HCB publishes information 

 

All they need to do is have a twitter account that posts the results of each item on the agenda. Why can't we have that? Same for all of the other boards and commissions in the city.

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56 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

 

All they need to do is have a twitter account that posts the results of each item on the agenda. Why can't we have that? Same for all of the other boards and commissions in the city.


Or just post a draft of the meeting minutes on the same web page they post the agendas.  Very simple 

 

the lack of meeting minutes makes it especially hard to follow along on items that come back before the board two or three times with modifications.

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7 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

"The FC Cincinnati stadium development is expanding to the north, with the team taking control of eight more properties between Wade and Bauer streets in the West End. The plan: Build a 1,000-space parking garage there, which would eliminate Wade Street between John Street and Central Avenue, according to a map given to The Enquirer by the team. The garage would be directly north of the stadium."

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On 11/11/2019 at 1:48 PM, jmecklenborg said:

Is Kuhfers Lofts being torn down?  Before anyone ever lived in the new condos?

 

Based on the Enquirer article today, yes.  

 

It is frustrating the article mentions a map of the proposed development but they don't show it or link to it.

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Zero consideration shown for the urban context of their stadium. Even though a supporters group named “the Innenstadt” helped the fledgling fan base get off the ground

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21 minutes ago, thebillshark said:

Hey our fans think the urban core is really cool and hip so we’re going to come in and raze a huge chunk of it, k?

 

To be fair a huge chunk of it was razed a long time ago. What's left are the historic "scraps". The ruins of stupid decisions made decades ago. 

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Oh my god this stadium is a disaster. That area will be totally dead most of the time. This is as much an ‘urban’ stadium as the ‘urban’ casino turned out to be. This won’t be used By other cities as best practices anytime soon. 

 

And let me get this straight, there’s a garage under the stadium and now next to it? Is that right?

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3 minutes ago, atlas said:

Oh my god this stadium is a disaster. That area will be totally dead most of the time. This is as much an ‘urban’ stadium as the ‘urban’ casino turned out to be. This won’t be used By other cities as best practices anytime soon. 

 

And let me get this straight, there’s a garage under the stadium and now next to it? Is that right?

 

I wasn't aware about a garage under the stadium? Where did you hear this? And FCC always needed the 1,000 space garage that is done in conjunction with Hamilton Co. This was known since day 1 that was the plan. 

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I don't think there's a garage under the stadium, unless I missed that also, not sure how I could have. This is a new garage that will be on Liberty basically across from Ollie's if I'm reading that correctly. So then, another Hamilton County garage may be also built somewhere. I know the WCET garage is being torn down too right now, but I'm not sure what's going to replace it, does someone know?

 

But, hopefully by building this garage in the location described the corner where the ballet is will actually be developed into something other than parking. But we'll see. 

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9 minutes ago, atlas said:

And let me get this straight, there’s a garage under the stadium and now next to it? Is that right?

 

This is correct. 

 

The current crop of leadership with FC and this region are intent on applying their suburban principals to the urban core. Exclusion, car-oriented, pedestrian unfriendly and monolithic. Yay...


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1 minute ago, JYP said:

 

This is correct. 

 

The current crop of leadership with FC and this region are intent on applying their suburban principals to the urban core. Exclusion, car-oriented, pedestrian unfriendly and monolithic. Yay...

 

Where did you hear about a parking garage under the stadium? Do you have a source?

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The entire stadium is lifted off the ground plane by the parking garage. This is why it doesn’t interact with the street level well. 

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Ok, so how many spaces do these garages add up to? All in all, I'm guessing less than 5K spaces?...For a 25K seat stadium, that has the potential to be expanded with more seats in the future. 

 

 

Even with all the garages being built by FCC they won't sufficiently supply enough parking regardless. Most people will still need to park in OTR/CBD/The banks and will either need to walk/uber/use the streetcar/red bike/bird/leggo/etc to get to the stadium. 

 

 

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So then why ruin a neighborhood by adding just 1,000 more? Seems totally preposterous. Remember, these garages are also the reason the Liberty Street road diet is so muddled down. When will we learn the answer is in creating a great place for people, instead of this fantasy where we think we can have a place with ease of parking AND still be great for people. Cities don’t work this way anywhere on the planet. 

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14 minutes ago, troeros said:

Ok, so how many spaces do these garages add up to? All in all, I'm guessing less than 5K spaces?...For a 25K seat stadium, that has the potential to be expanded with more seats in the future. 


There are no plans to make this stadium expandable. The current capacity is the largest it is planned to ever be.

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8 minutes ago, atlas said:

So then why ruin a neighborhood by adding just 1,000 more? Seems totally preposterous. Remember, these garages are also the reason the Liberty Street road diet is so muddled down. When will we learn the answer is in creating a great place for people, instead of this fantasy where we think we can have a place with ease of parking AND still be great for people. Cities don’t work this way anywhere on the planet. 

 

The neighborhood was ALREADY ruined. Looking at Google maps there was nothing but giant prairie sized empty lots, and a few scattered historic structures here and there. I understand if FCC was building the stadium right in the middle of otr and destroying the entire fabric...but the West end? There is hardly any fabric to speak of. It was all destroyed during the creation of thr interstates.

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