cincydave8 Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 FC Cincinnati, Music Hall companies have an agreement FC Cincinnati and the companies that use Music Hall have an agreement “in principle” on the issue of noise potentially entering the venerable venue during performances, the Business Courier has learned. It’s unclear what the details of that agreement with the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra, the Cincinnati Opera, the May Festival and the Cincinnati Ballet are, and it is just one pact that FCC likely will have to strike in order to see its development plan and a key land sale clear the Cincinnati City Council today. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/13/fc-cincinnati-music-hall-companies-have-an.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColDayMan Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Council OKs land swap deal with FC Cincinnati Cincinnati City Council approved a land swap deal with FC Cincinnati on Wednesday but delayed a vote on the development plan and zoning change for its Major League Soccer stadium while outstanding issues between the club and two other parties are negotiated. The vote was 7-0 to allow the land swap, with Vice Mayor Christopher Smitherman and Councilman Chris Seelbach being absent, although Seelbach said he asked to be recorded as a yes afterward. It came after an intense week of backroom meetings and arm twisting, with incredible political pressure brought to bear by some of Cincinnati’s richest citizens, who either have interest in the club or the arts organizations at Music Hall. A “good neighbor agreement” between the club and the Music Hall companies over potential noise incursion from the stadium into performances was reached earlier in the day. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/13/council-oks-land-swap-deal-with-fc-cincinnati.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taestell Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 1:35 PM, taestell said: So, with the city leasing some spaces in the Towne Center garage to the Streitmann Center, and leasing out the entire garage to FCC on game days, it seems that the decision has already been made to keep the deteriorating garage around for the foreseeable future instead of redeveloping that block into some mixed-use development that incorporates a replacement garage. The situation with the Town Center garage keeps getting weirder. Cincinnati Public Radio is leaving the building but WCET has not yet announced any plans to move The weird plaza on the north side of the garage will be demolished to make way for a new parking lot for CPD The remaining portion of the skywalk will be demolished, hopefully putting to rest any hope of it ever being rebuilt The city's agreement with FCC states that "if the city decides to demolish and redevelop the site, the fee will be prorated based on how many games it can be used. Once the garage is redeveloped, the city will make 500 spaces available in the new facility." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwulsin Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, taestell said: The situation with the Town Center garage keeps getting weirder. I think it's safe to assume private conversations are being had between the involved parties. As far as I can tell, seems like everybody wants the garage replaced, so it's a matter of figuring out when it happens, where WCET goes, what (in addition to parking) goes into the new structure, and how the ownership is structured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColDayMan Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Behind the negotiations: FC Cincinnati, Ballet point fingers FC Cincinnati and the Cincinnati Ballet issued dueling statements on Wednesday night after the City Council delayed voting on the club’s stadium development plan and zoning change, in part because FCC had not reached a satisfactory agreement with the ballet. The two organizations are at odds because the ballet has seven years left on its lease of its West End headquarters and an adjacent parking lot with a 10-year extension. FCC owns the property after buying it for $25 million from Tristate Wholesale Building Supplies. The growing ballet wants a long-term agreement for how it and the club can co-exist and thrive during that period or for FCC to help fund its move from the site. FCC’s planned development calls for redeveloping the ballet’s parking lot, with the club offering to build the organization replacement parking and saying it would otherwise honor the lease. The ballet also has a study detailing how noise from the stadium, which will loom over the ballet’s headquarters, will affect its operation and wants a resolution on that. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/14/behind-the-negotiations-fc-cincinnati-ballet-point.html 1 "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColDayMan Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 City, FC Cincinnati, Port to finalize deal with West End restaurant owner Cincinnati City Council will vote Thursday on a deal to aid a former West End restaurant owner displaced by the construction of FC Cincinnati’s Major League Soccer stadium with the city expected to kick in $75,000 of an overall financial package. Monica Williams of Just Cookin’ restaurant, which was located within the stadium footprint, will receive the city aid from an emergency fund, which the city will pass through the Urban League of Greater Southwestern Ohio, according to an ordinance filed by Councilman Greg Landsman. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/20/city-fc-cincinnati-port-to-finalize-deal-with-west.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jmecklenborg Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Jason Williams shilling for people born into wealthy families: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/columnists/politics-extra/2019/02/20/fc-cincinnati-chamber-puts-council-notice-anti-biz-climate/2906584002/ Remember, Carl Lindner III, etc., are the helpless victims of tyrants like Tamaya Danard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taestell Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I have a feeling that the Enquirer is going to really start pushing this narrative that Cincinnati has an "anti-business climate" and it's the libruhls on City Council who are to blame. You can tell that the Chamber is behind this effort as they recently announced that they're going to start giving each city council a letter grade to score them on how "pro-business" they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edale Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) Yeah, Council is just soo anti-business that GE is moving hundreds of jobs from the suburbs to downtown. WTF does anti-business even mean? In a city that is largely dependent on its earning tax, I don't think any city official is "anti-business." Edited February 20, 2019 by edale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanlammi Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, edale said: Yeah, Council is just soo anti-business that GE is moving hundreds of jobs from the suburbs to downtown. WTF does anti-business even mean? In a city that is largely dependent on its earning tax, I don't think any city official is "anti-business." I think a large part of this is because they keep cutting staff at their downtown location, and it's easier to move personnel to the downtown location to avoid paying back huge tax incentives Cincinnati gave them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edale Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Yeah I assumed that might be part of the reasoning, too. But would GE have even opened the operations center in the city if it was a bad business climate? They already have the massive operation in Evendale, and could have easily built out space there for the new operations center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincydave8 Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) I love how Jason Williams started out by attacking AOC. He's basically just a political hack at this point, not that he was ever much of a serious reporter. I've been a supporter of this stadium and using the funds to help build it but having it delayed by a week or two to make sure all parties involved are happy isn't bad business or extortion. It's good governance. This is just another example of The Enquirer finding some new way to shit on the city and running with it to get suburban clicks. Edited February 21, 2019 by cincydave8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim uber Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 13 hours ago, ryanlammi said: I think a large part of this is because they keep cutting staff at their downtown location, and it's easier to move personnel to the downtown location to avoid paying back huge tax incentives Cincinnati gave them. Where are your figures coming from? At least the business courier couldn't find figure post 2017 for employment, when it stood at 1400. They mentioned that it was a goal to get to 1800, but they never said they went to 1800 and then dropped 400 people. The actual material in the article references GE leadership where they talk about how the banks facility and area is a great environment for the type of workers they are trying to attract and need to interact to build complex solutions. These are high paying jobs for people figuring out how to run GE engines more efficiently and safely, and write software that scales to the global enterprise. You don't just put those jobs out in an Evendale office park, any more than you tie one hand behind your back before a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cincy513 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 They didn't drop all the way to 400 but they fired a lot of people and stopped hiring. I know people that work there and even after they brought a couple hundred people from aviation last year they're still not using three floors in the building. They're bringing more people from aviation down so they don't have to start paying back money to the city. Once their stock cratered they stopped hiring so they were never going to get up to 1,800 employees downtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cincy513 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 How does Jason Williams think cities like NYC, Boston, Seattle or anywhere in California manage to get businesses? He's a completely biased hack and I don't even read his articles anymore. I'm sure he managed to knock the streetcar in that article like he always does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Cincinnati_Kid Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 FC Cincinnati, ballet strike a deal to move stadium plans forward By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier Feb 21, 2019, 1:48pm EST Updated Feb 21, 2019, 2:29pm EST FC Cincinnati and the Cincinnati Ballet have struck a deal to co-exist for the time being. The agreement cleared the way for the Cincinnati City Council to approve the club’s development plan for its Major League Soccer stadium and needed zoning changes on Thursday afternoon. “This good neighbor agreement protects the integrity of Cincinnati Ballet for the next 17 years should we remain at our current location on the corner of Central Parkway, as the agreement addresses many of our issues relating to parking, access, noise, operations, and others,” the ballet’s statement said. MORE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taestell Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Cincy513 said: How does Jason Williams think cities like NYC, Boston, Seattle or anywhere in California manage to get businesses? He's a completely biased hack and I don't even read his articles anymore. I'm sure he managed to knock the streetcar in that article like he always does. You can't make a man understand something when his paycheck depends on his not understanding it. Our mayor went to college in one of the most dense and transit-rich cities in America and he doesn't seem to understand either of those things either. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jmecklenborg Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 8 hours ago, Cincy513 said: How does Jason Williams think cities like NYC, Boston, Seattle or anywhere in California manage to get businesses? He's a completely biased hack and I don't even read his articles anymore. I'm sure he managed to knock the streetcar in that article like he always does. He just isn't a very smart guy. Listen to him on the radio or watch his videos on youtube and it's obvious that he's just not that bright. That's why somebody whispered in the Enquirer's ear to make him the local politics reporter. This is reason #99 why losing the Cincinnati Post was a big deal. It's pretty easy for a local force to influence one paper but a lot tougher to smother two of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas_uLsac Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 CityBeat does better reporting on city affairs than the Enquire does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taestell Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 I just noticed there is a new Instagram account (it seems to be official) documenting the stadium's construction: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yves Behar Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I see that theater is still standing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jmecklenborg Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 You have to admit that it'll be pretty incredible if the Jehovah's Witnesses simply refuse to sell and the lower sliver of this scene remains unchanged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/2019/03/28/fc-cincinnati-replaces-meis-populous-design-its-major-league-soccer-stadium/3300642002/ Meis out, Populous in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troeros Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Populous have designed some very sexy stadiums recently. Gives me some hope for the West End. Also, can't wait for monday to see the updated renderings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troeros Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/5/2019 at 10:29 PM, jmecklenborg said: You have to admit that it'll be pretty incredible if the Jehovah's Witnesses simply refuse to sell and the lower sliver of this scene remains unchanged. Is the theater still not demolished? Does FCC still not own the building yet to tear it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobanio0 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, troeros said: Is the theater still not demolished? Does FCC still not own the building yet to tear it down? I believe it’s gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NsideProp Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 The state theater got demolished last week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraderJake Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 19 hours ago, troeros said: Populous have designed some very sexy stadiums recently. Gives me some hope for the West End. Also, can't wait for monday to see the updated renderings! As nice as some have been, I think it is important to recognize that sometimes the initial and final products are wildly different, as can be seen with Audi Field. https://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2016/01/27/soccer-stadium-renderings-design-changes I hope we still get a very nice stadium, but I personally feel the first design for Audi Field was so much more appealing than the final product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largue Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, TraderJake said: I hope we still get a very nice stadium, but I personally feel the first design for Audi Field was so much more appealing than the final product. It's always more appealing in the rendering. This is actually a big problem with the architecture industry today IMO. For example, t's really easy to render ETFE on an entire stadium for an image or two. Getting it to work in the project and getting the client to pay for it is a different story. Usually the realities of a budget cause the designs to fall flat compared to their conceptual artistic imagery. But the issue with competitions is that the most provocative imagery usually wins. This climate causes firms to create renderings for extravagant structures that they know will never pan out that way in the end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NsideProp Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 https://deadspin.com/the-7-laws-of-vaportecture-stadium-arts-fever-dream-1833445857 The vapotecture from FC Cincinnati Stadium is actually featured in the article. The actual stadiums almost always never live up to the vapotecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColDayMan Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 FC Cincinnati has new architect for its $250 million West End stadium FC Cincinnati has selected a new architecture firm to work on the construction phase of its $250 million West End stadium. Kansas City-based Populous, which is one of the largest firms in the nation and a top sports architecture firm, has been selected for this next phase of work. Meis Architects had created the stadium design. Lizz Summers, vice president of communications for FC Cincinnati, said Meis Architects delivered a “groundbreaking” design. Now, Populous is coming in for the building phase of the project. She said Populous is experienced in MLS and soccer-specific stadiums. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/03/29/fc-cincinnati-has-new-architect-for-its-250.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas Wiederhold Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 This is big news... and no architects who I've talked to have a good understanding of why FC Cincinnati would be switching design architect at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebillshark Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Drama behind the scenes? www.cincinnatiideas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanlammi Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Where did you get that photo @ColDayMan? It doesn't look like it's related to the FCC stadium. It's nowhere in the article, so I'm wondering where you found it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColDayMan Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 From a generic Google search for their stadium designs. That specific rendering is actually of Houston's. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savadams13 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I have heard from two sources that Dan Meis over promised and under deliver multiple times to the ownership team. The overall design and aesthetic ended up not being what ownership wanted from the design. I can only hope that Populous will create something impactful. My thinking is it will be something that can be paired down and made affordable when construction cost balloon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) Latest renders: Edited April 4, 2019 by moose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinkley Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Understand that they are highlighting the stadium in the renderings, but would really love to see a render with the background buildings colored in too. The number of "people" in the in-stadium shot looks way too high to me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucgrady Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) There are more renderings on Business Courier that show it with the orange 'turned off' showing the silver form of the building. I don't know how to embed images from their tricky slideshows: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/04/04/fc-cincinnati-releases-new-stadium-renderings-as-a.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline#g/452217/3 It also states "LED lights will backlight the PTFE membrane and function from dusk until 1a.m. each day according to the documents". Edited April 4, 2019 by ucgrady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColDayMan Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Final FC Cincinnati sound study: Changes needed to stadium, Music Hall The final version of an FC Cincinnati stadium noise study concludes that measures will need to be taken at both the stadium and within Music Hall to eliminate the possibility of patrons hearing outside noise if games or concerts are occurring at the stadium at the same time as performances. According to Music Hall’s noise study, the proposed ribbon design of FC Cincinnati's new stadium is "essentially ineffective as barriers to noise propagation.” More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/04/15/final-fc-cincinnati-sound-study-changes-needed-to.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakiehigh Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) Sold! FC Cincinnati plans to scoop up Jehovah's Witnesses property as stadium site grows https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/15/fc-cincinnati-stadium-site-expands-jehovahs-witnesses-property/3451867002/ Edited April 16, 2019 by oakiehigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanlammi Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 That was pretty inevitable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taestell Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Yeah, it was pretty clear that it was going to happen last week, when they requested that the Jehovah's Witnesses property be rezoned as part of their PD (planned development). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJohnson Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Trending now... walls. Put a big wall down the center of Central parkway. that should fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troeros Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Interesting. Wouldn't mind honestly to see the police station land redeveloped honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savadams13 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 40 minutes ago, troeros said: Interesting. Wouldn't mind honestly to see the police station land redeveloped honestly. Not a terrible idea, probably create another substation for District One somewhere in OTR or CBD besides the closet in The Banks. If they were to use the Permit Center site, hopefully they would buy the Rest Inn and demolish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jmecklenborg Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 This is another developer giveaway. Look for them to suddenly find mold in District 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincydave8 Posted April 24, 2019 Author Share Posted April 24, 2019 (edited) New and Updated renderings are out. West Side Entrance: Stadium originally looked like Bayern Munich's Allianz Stadium to me but is now starting to give me Tottenham Hotspur Stadium vibe. Edited April 24, 2019 by cincydave8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakucyk Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 It's a spaceship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taestell Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 They misspelled "UDF Field". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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