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Should be hearing about pricing etc soon.  I emailed them last week and was told I’d feb.  Tours and preleasing in March.

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3 hours ago, Ruken said:

Should be hearing about pricing etc soon.  I emailed them last week and was told I’d feb.  Tours and preleasing in March.

 

Given how fast Beacon has leased (already 85 percent full), I expect that Lumen should fill up quickly too. If so, look for Lumen Act II. 

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44 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Given how fast Beacon has leased (already 85 percent full), I expect that Lumen should fill up quickly too. If so, look for Lumen Act II. 

Where would the location be for act 2

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On 1/14/2020 at 11:29 PM, KJP said:

It's the five parcels (10301001, 2, 3, 4 & 38) bounded by East 13th, Chester, Dodge and the PHS parking deck....

 

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Im curious to know why parking lot parcels are divided like such. Alot more confusion comes from the weston lots. My interpretation is the smaller you break up your land the less property tax you need to pay per parcel, but another devil on my shoulder is saying there's partnership to how the land is divided, here as the smallest partners get the smaller portions. I'm not too entirely sure but it may be talk for another thread or maybe open a larger discussion based on the divisions of parking parcels. Would love to see that and the strategies each company ensues to ensure their entire parcel is priced per minima.

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2 minutes ago, tastybunns said:

Im curious to know why parking lot parcels are divided like such. Alot more confusion comes from the weston lots. My interpretation is the smaller you break up your land the less property tax you need to pay per parcel, but another devil on my shoulder is saying there's partnership to how the land is divided, here as the smallest partners get the smaller portions. I'm not too entirely sure but it may be talk for another thread or maybe open a larger discussion based on the divisions of parking parcels. Would love to see that and the strategies each company ensues to ensure their entire parcel is priced per minima.

Maybe because those small lots used to be individual buildings and/or bldg lots that were either demo’d or never built on, but later acquired & combined into parking lots?

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, CleCaneFan said:

Maybe because those small lots used to be individual buildings and/or bldg lots that were either demo’d or never built on, but later acquired & combined into parking lots?

 

 

 

 

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RE: Parcels

 

Additionally, the tax bill isn't any less because they've broken it into pieces, for the longest time you'd see "listed with" parcels, aka the tax information is stored with one parcel in a group of parcels owned by the same people. It's a mess and forced consolidation should be more prevalent. Take a look at Wolstein Center as an example- there's a handful of parcels below a fully built arena and it's been like that forever...

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On 2/5/2020 at 3:07 PM, tj111 said:

Looks like Ichabod is coming down.


 

 

I'll bet it was an East Sider who wrote Euclid Avenue will be closed "between East 18th and East 14th....".

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Leasing office sign is up in the theater lobby. Sorry I didnt realize the picture was blurry til after the fact.

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Yep, the crane is coming down....

 

 

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From that image it looks like they've painted the parking deck a dark grey. At first, I thought it could be darker due to the rain, but it seems like there are patches that aren't colored yet. 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, ASPhotoman said:

From that image it looks like they've painted the parking deck a dark grey. At first, I thought it could be darker due to the rain, but it seems like there are patches that aren't colored yet. 

 

 

Yeah they did.  It definitely looks better than just the default concrete color.

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3 minutes ago, mack34 said:

That side of the garage is going to get covered with a screen so they can project onto it

 

A screen? So it's not going to look like the renderings? I know they had some renderings that depicted banners, but I figured those were just temporary.

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the renderings show it....Its a metal screening that they will be able to project onto at night

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12 minutes ago, MayDay said:

Ah Ichabod, it was nice knowing you - send some friends our way soon 😉

 

Yes!  And come see us again when Lumen is ready for it’s second act 😃

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13 minutes ago, B767PILOT said:

Second Tower??  Did i miss something?

 

No one has posted anything new - the current status is that Playhouse Square Foundation has land to develop a second project on, but nothing new has been decided publicly. Out of necessity, the leasing at the Lumen will serve as a barometer for an additional project to be justified.

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1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I thought this was my picture at first 😂😂😂

Ha! I aint no pic poacher! 😆

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Does anyone know the timeline of when the curtain wall system will begin it's install onto The Euclid Ave side of the parking structure?

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On 2/10/2020 at 12:24 PM, mack34 said:

the renderings show it....Its a metal screening that they will be able to project onto at night

The renderings show two different things. One has a banner and one doesn't. Is there somewhere online that describes it as a metal screening?  

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@ASPhotoman, The two renderings are showing the same metal screen, one with the projection and one without. Here’s Steven Litt’s description: 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/architecture/2017/06/early_designs_show_playhouse_s.html

 

“On the plus side, the upper three levels of the garage's Euclid Avenue side will be faced by perforated metal panels designed to evoke theater curtains. At night, Playhouse Square would flood light the metal curtain with images and graphics related to ongoing shows in the district.”

 

I also think that this is a really good design feature. It’d be better if it was liner apartments, but the rationale from PHs for not doing that is reasonable. 

 

(Note that one of the review committees was able to successfully convince PHS to add shallow retail bays along Euclid after this review was published.  The vertical lines were also added later.)

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4 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

(Note that one of the review committees was able to successfully convince PHS to add shallow retail bays along Euclid after this review was published.  The vertical lines were also added later.)

Looking at it from the ground they almost certainly added retail bays into the Euclid side.  They are pretty small, I can't imagine much more than things like a coffee shop or gift shop, but they are there.

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8 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

(Note that one of the review committees was able to successfully convince PHS to add shallow retail bays along Euclid after this review was published.  The vertical lines were also added later.)

 

3 minutes ago, tj111 said:

Looking at it from the ground they almost certainly added retail bays into the Euclid side.  They are pretty small, I can't imagine much more than things like a coffee shop or gift shop, but they are there.

 

Yes, they did. The retail bays are initially 20’ deep, with the option to convert parking spaces into additional retail depth, which would make the retail bays 60’ deep.

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17 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

@ASPhotoman, The two renderings are showing the same metal screen, one with the projection and one without. Here’s Steven Litt’s description: 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/architecture/2017/06/early_designs_show_playhouse_s.html

 

“On the plus side, the upper three levels of the garage's Euclid Avenue side will be faced by perforated metal panels designed to evoke theater curtains. At night, Playhouse Square would flood light the metal curtain with images and graphics related to ongoing shows in the district.”

 

I also think that this is a really good design feature. It’d be better if it was liner apartments, but the rationale from PHs for not doing that is reasonable. 

 

(Note that one of the review committees was able to successfully convince PHS to add shallow retail bays along Euclid after this review was published.  The vertical lines were also added later.)

 

Thanks! Didn't realize it was just going to be projected on the curtain design. Unless you're looking at it straight on, I can't imagine that you'll be able to see what's there from any other angle. To me, the curtain looked like it was designed in a geometric way where you could flatten the panels and it would create a flush screen that would greatly increase the viewing angle of projection. 

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19 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

 

Yes, they did. The retail bays are initially 20’ deep, with the option to convert parking spaces into additional retail depth, which would make the retail bays 60’ deep.

Good to know they can expand inward. Small or not, it's better than having a complete deadspace on such a lively part of Euclid. Heck, maybe there'll be a Lumen 2.0 leasing office in there! 😛

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1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

Yes, they did. The retail bays are initially 20’ deep, with the option to convert parking spaces into additional retail depth, which would make the retail bays 60’ deep.

 

I like that they went with the smaller retail bays, that way the price point will be less per bay and allow for them to remain full at all times(as local small businesses can meet the cost as well as larger chains).

 

I do wish the screen on the parking garage fronting Euclid was a Digital board.  Hopefully they'll make that change, if not now, maybe in the future.

 

However, at least it's not bare - I'm glad they did something neat with it and included lighting!

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19 minutes ago, NR said:

 

I like that they went with the smaller retail bays, that way the price point will be less per bay and allow for them to remain full at all times(as local small businesses can meet the cost as well as larger chains).

 

I do wish the screen on the parking garage fronting Euclid was a Digital board.  Hopefully they'll make that change, if not now, maybe in the future.

 

However, at least it's not bare - I'm glad they did something neat with it and included lighting!

I would imagine having it be a mesh screen option would help with airflow from cars being in there. 

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Folks, we have a retail discussion thread which incidentally has quite a few posts discussing the circumstances regarding downtown Cleveland retail AND that of other cities. There's probably a thread somewhere discussing civic pride (or the lack thereof) but that has nothing to do with the actual construction details of the Lumen. In either case ...

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22 hours ago, GISguy said:

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Awesome pic.  Slowly but surely, the automobile abyss will be a thing of the past in downtown Cleveland.  Pictures from this angle will be as well, lol.

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23 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said:

Do you have insight on the abyss of parking lots you took this picture from?   Definitely my most hated set of lots now that Westin/Jacobs will be gone.  But a great development opportunity indeed. 

I believe that is the Frango lot at 14th and Prospect.  @KJP has suggested they are interested in developing it but given its Frango I would not hold my breath.  It clearly will not happen without a development partner.  Just my opinion, but of all the huge lots downtown that have potential that is probably really low on the totem pole which is unfortunate as it one of the gateways from the south into downtown.

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I wouldn't hold my breath either. Anything's possible, but Frangos so far hasn't demonstrated an ability to work with other real estate developers to advance anything on these parcels, according to developers who have attempted to work with them.

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I rejected an apartment in the Hanna building because it looked out across Prospect at those lots. The apartment was fine, but that view is soul-destroying. No way could I look at it everyday.  

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