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So it is okay to get served food by them first, then detain them. FYI the people they detained are documented they just did not have the docs on them. Still detained them and hauled them away. ICE-Gestapo a-holes. Insanity.  https://t.co/vQEbPs4mRu


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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So it is okay to get served food by them first, then detain them. FYI the people they detained are documented they just did not have the docs on them. Still detained them and hauled them away. ICE-Gestapo a-holes. Insanity.  https://t.co/vQEbPs4mRu

 

The Daily Beast is fake news (I wouldn't have bothered to click if you hadn't tricked me with that URL shortener). Here's the actual story:

 

ICE says three men arrested at Ann Arbor restaurant were in US illegally

 

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2017/05/ice_3_detained_in_ann_arbor_re.html

 

"Sergio Cardenas Rubio and Jesus Ortiz Hernandez unlawfully entered the United States without inspection at an unknown date and location. Mohamed Souman lawfully entered the country, but did not depart in accordance with the terms of his status. All three are currently in ICE custody."

 


 

It seems to me like ICE did exactly what they are supposed to do. Most legal immigrants know they are required to carry documentation at all times. That's been the law for a long, long time.

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^ a yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge wall at a yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge expense would've prevented this.  This just shows you the absolute simplistic stupidity in every Trump idea.

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^^ Given ICE's description of how Sergio and Jesus got into the US, this is actually one of those cases where a physical manifestation of The Wall may very well have prevented this from happening.

 

^ You're getting a little bit closer to real news but still living in the realm of fake news. The article I linked is more recent than that one, and includes a statement from ICE saying that they are not only still in custody, but indeed in the country illegally.

 

Here's another reputable source (as opposed to the inaccurate Daily Beast and "alternative" tabloid stories linked above):

 

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/256804739-story

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http://www.newsweek.com/ice-officers-eat-breakfast-raid-michigan-restaurant-detain-three-615731

 

this is more recent and it says the restaurant sent the documentation to ICE and they were released. 

 

The people taken into custody were released on Wednesday evening, after the restaurant owner’s company, Savco Hospitality, sent the workers’ documents to ICE.

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^^ Given ICE's description of how Sergio and Jesus got into the US, this is actually one of those cases where a physical manifestation of The Wall may very well have prevented this from happening.

 

What happened to the metaphorical manifestation?

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http://www.newsweek.com/ice-officers-eat-breakfast-raid-michigan-restaurant-detain-three-615731

 

this is more recent and it says the restaurant sent the documentation to ICE and they were released. 

 

The people taken into custody were released on Wednesday evening, after the restaurant owner’s company, Savco Hospitality, sent the workers’ documents to ICE.

 

It looks like Fox News may be the only real news on this particular issue:

 

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2017/05/25/ice-agents-eat-breakfast-at-ann-arbor-restaurant-before-arresting-three-workers.html

 

The Detroit Metro Times initially reported that all three were released in the afternoon after they provided proper paperwork, but a representative for ICE confirmed on Wednesday evening that all three men were in the country illegally, and that they remained in ICE custody as of 7:20 p.m. on Wednesday.

 

The Michigan Daily, on the other hand, reports that two of the detainees had been released, with only one spending the night in custody.

 

No matter what the outcome, this is exactly what ICE is tasked to do. If some/all of those arrested are indeed here and working legally, they should have had their documentation on their persons, as is required by law.

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^ wait a minute.  ICE went there looking for a specific person.  That person wasn't there.  They took it upon themselves to arrest 4 people (without a warrant).  I can't wait to hear what the probable cause was because it sounds like 3 innocent people had their civil rights violated.  No other way to slice it.

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Okay, I'll bet there are some ACLU people here (probably at this very minute). This is getting ugly. Apparently at a city council meeting the other night a bunch of people spoke out against the new policy to notify ICE of illegal immigrants suspected of committing serious crimes ("Earlier this month the Painesville Police Department adopted Police Policy 413, which states officers will notify U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement when a suspected illegal immigrant is affiliated with any gang or criminal organization and/or receives any drug or violence charge."). 1) what's wrong with this policy?? (even in NYC, I think this is in sync with ultra-liberal Mayor deBlasio's policy); and 2) when did Painesville become so liberal?!?! (It's not Berkeley, for heaven's sake!!) Yet they continue to claim it's not a sanctuary city--unlike NYC which openly embraces that description. I appreciate the fact that these immigrants have enlivened a town that was on a downward spiral for decades and that most of them are extremely hard-working and law-abiding, but (unless I'm misreading the new policy) I fail to see the problem in reporting those suspected of engaging in serious crimes.  Now this--

 

Ohio ACLU sends letter to Painesville Police Department over immigration policy

 

http://www.news-herald.com/general-news/20170525/ohio-aclu-sends-letter-to-painesville-police-department-over-immigration-policy

 

By Andrew Cass, The News-Herald

POSTED: 05/25/17, 3:11 PM EDT |

 

The American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio sent a letter May 25 to the Painesville Police Department urging it to discontinue a new policy the ACLU says “invites blatant and unlawful racial profiling.”

 

“This policy makes the entire Painesville community — especially its many immigrant families — less safe,” Ohio ACLU staff attorney Elizabeth Bonham said in a statement. “Local police should be seen as a resource for the entire community, but by enforcing federal immigration laws, victims of crimes who are undocumented, or those victims who have family or friends without citizenship status, will be less likely to seek police help.”

 

 

 

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id say that short excerpt you posted has one rational argument as to why it is bad policy and another rational argument why the policy may be unlawful, no matter how well intentioned. 

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America's cities me ultimately save America from itself. Unfortunately I'm concerned the Cleveland is choosing to sit this fight out.

 

Denver mayor leads push to amend local statutes to protect immigrants from aggressive Feds #OneCity

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/mayor-takes-stand-against-hate-crimes-sends-message-about-trumps-executive-orders-on-immigration


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Body of woman, 57, found near Manitoba border believed to be asylum seeker, U.S. police say https://t.co/ya8gzbyEKM


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Want to know the secret to growing cities and towns in the 21st century? Attract immigrants and their business-starting, job-creating, risk-taking, innovative abilities....

 

Unsettled: A Small Business Owner Says Immigrants 'Fixed Up' Painesville

http://www.ideastream.org/news/unsettled-a-small-business-owner-says-immigrants-fixed-up-painesville


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Want to know the secret to growing cities and towns in the 21st century? Attract immigrants and their business-starting, job-creating, risk-taking, innovative abilities....

 

Unsettled: A Small Business Owner Says Immigrants 'Fixed Up' Painesville

http://www.ideastream.org/news/unsettled-a-small-business-owner-says-immigrants-fixed-up-painesville

 

thanks for alerting me to this series of reports-- http://www.ideastream.org/tags/unsettled-immigration-in-ohio

 

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I don't think most people who live in Painesville (and many in Lake County) are saying that immigrants haven't been an asset to the community. They've helped to keep the economy afloat, and even thrive, reversing a decades-long downward spiral, and most welcome them. The controversy remains--as it is across the country--about how to deal with illegal immigration. Painesville's recent immigration policy remains a work in progress 

 

Painesville task force to review controversial immigration policy

Updated on June 22, 2017 at 4:36 PM Posted on June 19, 2017 at 9:43 PM

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/06/painesville_task_force_to_review_immigration.html

 

PAINESVILLE, Ohio--At a long meeting with a couple hundred participants, some tearful, Painesville announced Monday, June 19, 2017, that it has formed a citizens' task force to review a controversial policy to report immigrants charged with certain crimes or suspected of certain affiliations.

 

City Manager Monica Irelan was away at a conference, but her statement was read into the record promising the committee.

 

"We have heard the concerns loud and clear about the language in the policy," her statement said. "The policy is still under review."

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This is impossible to justify. How does the median Iranian voter react? Does it help strengthen the moderates or the hard-liners? Blowback https://t.co/tmPMYH3UGD

 

U.S. now bans Iranian grandmothers from seeing their grandchildren, in a truly shameful exhibition of blind hostility to all Iranians.


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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If America fears teenaged Afghan girls studying robotics, then its 16-yr war there has failed https://t.co/X9LPSS4XY1


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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This is impossible to justify. How does the median Iranian voter react? Does it help strengthen the moderates or the hard-liners? Blowback https://t.co/tmPMYH3UGD

 

U.S. now bans Iranian grandmothers from seeing their grandchildren, in a truly shameful exhibition of blind hostility to all Iranians.

 

The link is a tweet from anti American Iranian Foreign Minister of Islamic Republic of Iran. Iran is not on the Visa waiver program, Iranians can just buy a plane ticket and visit the USA with a passport. The only Muslim country on the waiver program is Brunei, and they should be taken off of it as they have legalized death sentence for homosexuals.

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Iranians cannot visit the US due to the Muslim ban unless they have a bona fide relationship which excludes grandparents.  He is 100% correct.

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Iranians cannot visit the US due to the Muslim ban unless they have a bona fide relationship which excludes grandparents.  He is 100% correct.

Why is this in the immigration thread when it is about a travel visa? Nobody is ever guaranteed a travel visa to the USA.

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The ban affects immigrants since they you know, have to travel here.

Travel visa is totally different than a visa that allows you to live and work permanently in the United States, AKA Green Card. Anyway it is temporary.

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How long does Trump need to improve the vetting process?  He originally said 90 days.  That was the entire purpose of the ban, or whatever he wants to call it.  We are nearing 180 days into his term.  Is it another one of those "who knew it would be so complicated" issues for him?  Was this all just for show?  I'm starting to think so...

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^ He should already have the vetting process in place.  The Muslim was arbitrary to begin with.  It doesn't make us any safer.  It just placates "his base" that live in places where there are no immigrants anyway.

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How long does Trump need to improve the vetting process?  He originally said 90 days.  That was the entire purpose of the ban, or whatever he wants to call it.  We are nearing 180 days into his term.  Is it another one of those "who knew it would be so complicated" issues for him?  Was this all just for show?  I'm starting to think so...

 

I'm thinking it's likely that Trump discovered that the existing vetting process was already very good, so there isn't a whole lot to change there.  The ban attempts are probably just to show his base he's trying to do something to stick it to those dirty Muslims so that they keep worshipping him, regardless of their effectiveness, constitutional legality or economic/social consequences- you know, like everything else he does.  The given reasoning that they needed time to look at vetting was BS from the beginning.

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How long does Trump need to improve the vetting process?  He originally said 90 days.  That was the entire purpose of the ban, or whatever he wants to call it.  We are nearing 180 days into his term.  Is it another one of those "who knew it would be so complicated" issues for him?  Was this all just for show?  I'm starting to think so...

There is a difference between normal visa applications, be that residency or travel, and refugee admittance. Sometimes relative to refugee admittance there are no records because the country or origin is a failed state and no records.

 

U.S. now asking for social media accounts in visa vetting,

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/06/02/US-now-asking-for-social-media-accounts-in-visa-vetting/5391496409183/

 

 

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It's not like the guy could cure cancer or anything. Oh wait...

 

Iranian cancer researcher detained at Boston airport despite valid visa

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/travel-ban-iran-cancer-reseracher-boston-mohsen-dehnavi


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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What kind of country have we become?

 

"Lopez had never been charged with a crime during his 16 years in the U.S., has paid taxes"

 

Ohio father of four bids tearful farewell to his family before deportation to Mexico https://t.co/kOiGAjtOwq

 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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A small victory....

 

Ex-Sheriff Joe Arpaio Convicted Of Criminal Contempt

 

Joe Arpaio, the former sheriff who garnered nationwide attention for his crackdown on illegal immigration, has been convicted of criminal contempt by a federal judge in Arizona. The ruling carries a possible maximum sentence of six months in jail and a monetary fine for the 85-year-old Arpaio.

 

The misdemeanor criminal conviction handed down Monday by District Judge Susan Bolton found that Arpaio knowingly violated a federal judge's order in 2011. At that time, Arpaio was told he could not detain immigrants simply because they lacked legal status — but for 18 months, his deputies carried on with the practice.

 

MORE:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/31/540629884/ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-convicted-of-criminal-contempt


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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WaPo releases full readouts of the calls between Trump and heads of government in Mexico and Australia.

 

Horrid. https://t.co/JDpQfkphkb


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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reading from the transcript he tells Nieto that the wall is probably the least important thing that they are discussing but politically it is the most important.  It almost seems like he has a private view and public (political) view that are different.  This would be extremely troubling if a democratic woman said something similar.

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Well, golly, I just feel real proud to be a rootin-tootin' American patriot here... not.

 

Flow of migrants, mostly Haitians fearing expulsion from US, has surged in recent weeks on Canada's southern border https://t.co/KtVZla7XxO


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Well, golly, I just feel real proud to be a rootin-tootin' American patriot here... not.

 

Flow of migrants, mostly Haitians fearing expulsion from US, has surged in recent weeks on Canada's southern border https://t.co/KtVZla7XxO

It was always temporary. BTW Obama ended the Haitian program in 2016 and shut the border down for Haitians trying to cross. He also ended wet foot dry foot for Cubans.

 

 

Then, suddenly, they learned that their journey — and the hopes of thousands of others like them heading toward the American border — had most likely come to an abrupt, crushing end.

 

On Thursday, the Obama administration, in an effort to halt an extraordinary wave of Haitian migrants streaming to the United States, announced that it was tightening its immigration policy on Haitians. Those who appeared at the American border without visas would almost certainly be sent back to Haiti.

 

The unexpected change sowed deep disappointment and confusion among the hundreds of Haitians at the border who thought they were only days away from entering the United States. Thousands more are still on their way, risking their lives on a perilous trip, probably in vain.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/24/world/americas/haitians-mexico-brazil-deport-united-states.html?_r=0

 

There are 15 Million people here illegally, that is plenty.

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Obama wasn't right either. Open the gates. Let 'em in. Immigrants regardless of legal status create jobs, not crime.


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Things that were "added later": New Testament, every Constitutional amendment ever, the "under God" part of the pledge, seatbelts, airbags…

 

Stephen Miller angrily saying the Emma Lazarus poem carved on the Statue of Liberty is meaningless because it was added later. https://t.co/QEvndKn28j

https://t.co/dobko9xeD5


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Wasn't it written to raise funds for the statue?  Either way, it us there now.  I just saw it a little over a month ago. 

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Take this test. You may be surprised....

 

Find Out If President Trump Would Let You Immigrate to America

http://time.com/4887574/trump-raise-act-immigration/


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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By the late 1920s, thousands of Europeans had entered the country illegally. Here's how the country reacted then to assist them.

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/may/16/opinion/oe-ngai16


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Love it...


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Disgusting...

 

Steve King: Deported Dreamers Can Teach You mean things like that? Home Countries ‘How A Civilized People Interact With Each Other’

 

You mean, like mass shootings? People dying from insufficient Health Care? State-sanctioned racism? Putting profits before people? You mean civility like that?


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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The "Dreamers" submitted personal information on their DREAM applications based on a promise that the information would not be used for adverse enforcement actions against said applicants.  We all know where that's likely to go.  Where else have I heard the promise "the information will not be used for law enforcement purposes"?  That's right,  the CENSUS!"  What a time to be casting doubt on the credibility of US Government data collection!  Is anybody with a background in political geography studying what would be the impact of massive Latino non-cooperation with the US Census? I know this has been an issue in the past, but it could get worse.  This is particularly timely as the 2020 count will be the basis for regerrymandering.

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California Crops Rot as Immigration Crackdown Creates Farmworker Shortage

http://fortune.com/2017/08/08/immigration-worker-shortage-rotting-crops/


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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An immigration attorney friend posted this on Facebook...

 

Prior to our recent dinner on saturday, my friend asked me, why don't undocumented immigrants, particularly those who have been in the U.S. for years and have U.S. relatives, SIMPLY file and normalize their immigration status?  He was truly troubled by what he was watching on the nightly news --arrests of non-criminal immigrants, mass deportations, separating children from parents....  I answered:  for the vast majority, there is nothing to file.  The law offers no pathway.  Under George Bush, at least there was the Life Act.  Pay a $1,000 fine (for the CIVIL violation of being out of status), have a family member or employer file for a green card, and we are good to go.  Now, 16 years later, we are in Kafka Land.


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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