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2 minutes ago, gottaplan said:

Right.  Like when Obama was hot mic'd to Putin saying "I'll have more.... flexibility... after the election..."

 

Didn't Republicans intentionally mislead on this as it happened in 2012?

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44 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Aid that is passed through Congress and signed off on by the President is not then subject to the whims of when the Executive Branch wants to disburse it and how/why.  That's not how appropriations work.  The bill signed isn't, "Give them this aid if they _____."  I don't understand why people, mostly conservatives, have trouble understanding our laws and how appropriations work.  I think they need to take a basic civics course.

 

Bingo. This can't be said enough.

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5 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

Nunes has left the hearing - at least the 3rd hearing he's done so - when the Dem counsel starts questioning.  Not even trying to hide it.

Probably trying to get his talking points from the WH like the good toadie he is. 

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1 hour ago, freefourur said:

 

He is throwing everyone under the bus. He has a good attorney.  

 

53 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

Trump, Pompeo, Guiliani, Pence... everyone is getting taken down by Sondland.  And all Nunes can do is compare Trump to George Washington.  This would be a slam dunk if Republicans had any sense of duty to country whatsoever.

I am not watching the testimony but only observing all your comments here.  In other words not able to observe his demeanor or possible agenda.  Is it possible he is trying to portray everything that went down as official state department and administration policy (since everybody was in the loop including Pompeo) rather than some sort of secret rogue operation headed by Gulliani?

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Just now, Htsguy said:

 

I am not watching the testimony but only observing all your comments here.  In other words not able to observe his demeanor or possible agenda.  Is it possible he is trying to portray everything that went down as official state department and administration policy (since everybody was in the loop including Pompeo) rather than some sort of secret rogue operation headed by Gulliani?

yes - all under the direct orders of the president. 

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48 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

There's a tweet for everything. 

 

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Wow.


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Sharing this at the request of my Ukrainian friends...

 


"Corporations are not people, and money is not speech." -- Move To Amend (aka, Americans' only hope of getting their country back. Every else traces back to the need for campaign finance reform.)

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On ‎9‎/‎30‎/‎2019 at 5:19 PM, DarkandStormy said:

 

So apparently, Trump got the OK to collude with other countries and it's basically been open season since Mueller testified.  Lots and lots of crimes.  The United States executive branch is now a criminal enterprise.

 

Still a criminal enterprise.


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4 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

Oh man... from Trump's WH lawn helicopter walk.  How is this not mental illness?

 

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LOLOL - the background to this 2nd-grade level note is just one single tweet mentioning his handle.


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Bingo

 


"Corporations are not people, and money is not speech." -- Move To Amend (aka, Americans' only hope of getting their country back. Every else traces back to the need for campaign finance reform.)

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I've already started seeing Trump supporters abandon all defense and just say "all presidents do this" and who cares because Trump policy is still better than Democrats.

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27 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

Oh man... from Trump's WH lawn helicopter walk.  How is this not mental illness?

 

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This picture is going in the history books.

 

I can see it now:

Chapter 29: The Era of Post-Truth Politics and the Impeachment of Donald J Trump

(insert this picture)

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So Ken Starr - one of POTUS's biggest defenders legally, just went on FoxNews and said senators should start considering asking him to step down

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22 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

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This was written with such vigor because it's likely one of the most important quotes from this "impeachment." The House Democrats are still trying to make a case there was a quid pro quo despite the fact the key person involved with facilitating the alleged transgression was very clearly and strongly told (almost as strongly as that note) by Trump that he does not want quid pro quo. It's hard to prove that Trump wanted a quid pro quo when all we have on record is him telling the key "witness" that he doesn't want a quid pro quo.

 

This picture certainly may end up in a history book - but it'll be the chapter in which our children learn about the once popular Democratic political party.

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2 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

This picture certainly may end up in a history book - but it'll be the chapter in which our children learn about the once popular Democratic political party.

 

Right after they learn about how we've always been at war with Eurasia?

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8 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

This was written with such vigor because it's likely one of the most important quotes from this "impeachment." The House Democrats are still trying to make a case there was a quid pro quo despite the fact the key person involved with facilitating the alleged transgression was very clearly and strongly told (almost as strongly as that note) by Trump that he does not want quid pro quo. It's hard to prove that Trump wanted a quid pro quo when all we have on record is him telling the key "witness" that he doesn't want a quid pro quo.

 

This picture certainly may end up in a history book - but it'll be the chapter in which our children learn about the once popular Democratic political party.

 

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11 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

This was written with such vigor because it's likely one of the most important quotes from this "impeachment." The House Democrats are still trying to make a case there was a quid pro quo despite the fact the key person involved with facilitating the alleged transgression was very clearly and strongly told (almost as strongly as that note) by Trump that he does not want quid pro quo. It's hard to prove that Trump wanted a quid pro quo when all we have on record is him telling the key "witness" that he doesn't want a quid pro quo.

 

This picture certainly may end up in a history book - but it'll be the chapter in which our children learn about the once popular Democratic political party.

 

Not a cult.


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17 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

This was written with such vigor because it's likely one of the most important quotes from this "impeachment." The House Democrats are still trying to make a case there was a quid pro quo despite the fact the key person involved with facilitating the alleged transgression was very clearly and strongly told (almost as strongly as that note) by Trump that he does not want quid pro quo. It's hard to prove that Trump wanted a quid pro quo when all we have on record is him telling the key "witness" that he doesn't want a quid pro quo.

 

This picture certainly may end up in a history book - but it'll be the chapter in which our children learn about the once popular Democratic political party.

 

Trump's notes are the internet forum equivalent of doing a /thread while the discussion is only just starting to heat up.

 

Yes, it's so hard to prove when literally everyone in his administration, including his VP, were all working to that end.  What you're saying is that Trump was completely oblivious of what everyone in his administration was doing on his behalf.  That strains credibility even as a Trumper claim, but even if we accepted that, it would implicate Trump as being incompetent and unable to control his own people.  That makes him a feckless tool.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Trump's notes are the internet forum equivalent of doing a /thread while the discussion is only just starting to heat up.

 

Yes, it's so hard to prove when literally everyone in his administration, including his VP, were all working to that end.  What you're saying is that Trump was completely oblivious of what everyone in his administration was doing on his behalf.  That strains credibility even as a Trumper claim, but even if we accepted that, it would implicate Trump as being incompetent and unable to control his own people.  That makes him a feckless tool.

 

 

Trump knew what was going on because he mentioned Crowdstrike and the Biden's in his perfect call.  It would seem weird that he would randomly bring up something that he wasn't privy too. 

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25 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

This was written with such vigor because it's likely one of the most important quotes from this "impeachment." The House Democrats are still trying to make a case there was a quid pro quo despite the fact the key person involved with facilitating the alleged transgression was very clearly and strongly told (almost as strongly as that note) by Trump that he does not want quid pro quo. It's hard to prove that Trump wanted a quid pro quo when all we have on record is him telling the key "witness" that he doesn't want a quid pro quo.

 

This picture certainly may end up in a history book - but it'll be the chapter in which our children learn about the once popular Democratic political party.

 

Wow, dude. This has to got be a put-on, right? I mean, no one on this side of a funny farm's walls could conjure such thoughts in all seriousness. You do realize how trials rely on witness testimony, yes?

 

And if you're more concerned about political parties, personalities, and politicians than laws and countries and issues, that's probably why you're a Trump supporter.


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5 hours ago, gottaplan said:

 

Look, there's no defending Trump, the guy is totally dishonest and corrupt.  But the impeachment hearings are a sham.  Every relevant note above about quid pro quo or bribery is paramount to American foreign policy. 

 

We give BILLIONS and BILLIONS in foreign aid, to influence outcomes "through force or threat"... "to persuade that group to do something you want...."   this has happened for generations under every president.

 

Congress appropriated the aid, and the LAW effectuating that appropriation, Congress included a provision that if there was any delay in delivery of the aid, the Executive had to provide notice to Congress.  The law does not forbid a delay, it forbids delay without notice.  There was no notice given, the law was violated. 

 

More directly to your point, while the US gives foreign aid in part to influence foreign countries through that aid -- the aim is to provide a benefit to the United States.  Threatening to withhold military aid if a country does not publicly announce an investigation into your political rival is seeking a personal benefit to the President, not a benefit to the United States.

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1 minute ago, Foraker said:

 

Congress appropriated the aid, and the LAW effectuating that appropriation, Congress included a provision that if there was any delay in delivery of the aid, the Executive had to provide notice to Congress.  The law does not forbid a delay, it forbids delay without notice.  There was no notice given, the law was violated. 

 

More directly to your point, while the US gives foreign aid in part to influence foreign countries through that aid -- the aim is to provide a benefit to the United States.  Threatening to withhold military aid if a country does not publicly announce an investigation into your political rival is seeking a personal benefit to the President, not a benefit to the United States.

 

Thank you


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45 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

This was written with such vigor because it's likely one of the most important quotes from this "impeachment." The House Democrats are still trying to make a case there was a quid pro quo despite the fact the key person involved with facilitating the alleged transgression was very clearly and strongly told (almost as strongly as that note) by Trump that he does not want quid pro quo. It's hard to prove that Trump wanted a quid pro quo when all we have on record is him telling the key "witness" that he doesn't want a quid pro quo.

 

This picture certainly may end up in a history book - but it'll be the chapter in which our children learn about the once popular Democratic political party.

 

Good for you Ram! Going down with the ship, I respect it. 

 

Unlike that never-Trumper rat POS Sondland

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3 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

Pompeo reportedly planning to resign.  I don't think resigning from your post gives you immunity, though.

 

Why would Pompeo resign over something that never happened and wasn't wrong if it did?  Ram? EVD?

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quo - a White House visit

quid - announcement of investigations into Biden and the 2016 server

 

What hasn't happened?  A White House visit.  Kind of odd to defend the whole thing as "no quid pro quo" when Zelensky never announced the investigations and he...still hasn't visited the White House.

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