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^ Yeah it is wild - @cbussoccer and I share common cause as Conservatives, and I laid out an objective, non-hyperbolic pair of questions. It seems as if that's as golden an opportunity as any to engage in these discussions

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13 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

Trump is on his way to an easy win in 2020, according to Moody’s accurate election model


@cbussoccer as more and more news comes out about all of Trump's corrupt dealings, does none of it give you pause? Is there any point over the last two years where you've thought maybe you were wrong about this guy? 

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11 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

Trump is on his way to an easy win in 2020, according to Moody’s accurate election model

 

 

Moody’s based its projections on how consumers feel about their own financial situation, the gains the stock market has achieved during Trump’s tenure and the prospects for unemployment, which has fallen to a 50-year low. Should those variables hold up, the president looks set to get another four-year term.

 

The modeling has been highly accurate going back to the 1980 election, missing only once.

 

The Moody’s models have been backtested to 1980 and were correct each time — except in 2016, when they ndicated Clinton would get a narrow victory. The authors attributed “unexpected turnout patterns” in Trump’s favor caused the error and they adjusted for that in the latest projections. They also said the will be updating the projections as conditions develop and change.

 

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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/moodys-trump-on-his-way-to-an-easy-2020-win-if-economy-holds-up.html

 

 

 

The model is ignoring the fact that, contrary to every past administration, Trump is not getting credit for any economic success from voters/consumers.  His polling on the economy is only marginally better than his overall approval.  And if Republicans grow a spine and a moral conscience (lol), he won't even be president by Election Day.

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5 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:


@cbussoccer as more and more news comes out about all of Trump's corrupt dealings, does none of it give you pause? Is there any point over the last two years where you've thought maybe you were wrong about this guy? 

 

He just chooses not to believe any of it is real. He's said as much already. 

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great story--

 

"I don't want to talk about it because you can't have an opinion unless it's their opinion," an African American Trump supporter said about the left. "Either you believe the way they believe, or you're a racist or a homophobe. The reason I'm working is because of what Trump's done. I just want to put my hard hat on and go to work every day."

 

The man, who added he's a registered Democrat, talked to Enquirer photographer Albert Cesare and me for nearly an hour on his front porch on a hot evening. He said a lady at his church had given him grief for supporting "racist" Trump, but the man said he's seen no hard evidence that's true.

 

 

 

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^ great contribution.  Do you have any input on Donnie saying that the Kurds are more dangerous to us than ISIS?  This is a man who claimed credit for defeating the califate (actually the Kurds did it mostly.) But now says that the people who defeated ISIS are worse than ISIS. Can you help me make sense of this decision?

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23 minutes ago, eastvillagedon said:

great story--

 

"I don't want to talk about it because you can't have an opinion unless it's their opinion," an African American Trump supporter said about the left. "Either you believe the way they believe, or you're a racist or a homophobe. The reason I'm working is because of what Trump's done. I just want to put my hard hat on and go to work every day."

 

The man, who added he's a registered Democrat, talked to Enquirer photographer Albert Cesare and me for nearly an hour on his front porch on a hot evening. He said a lady at his church had given him grief for supporting "racist" Trump, but the man said he's seen no hard evidence that's true.

 

 

 

 

Oh look, another piece about how a Trump supporter isn't able to grasp that there are actual consequences for what they support.  This is by far the most common trait among you all.  You really just don't get how abhorrent your positions are.  This is not a "must read", it's an attempt at obfuscating the issues, as if liberals and Democrats (and independents and some moderate Republicans) are being too unfair.  Please. 

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1 minute ago, freefourur said:

This is most hilarious thing I have ever seen.  

 

The Art of the Deal, indeed. 

 

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This is real?

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2 minutes ago, freefourur said:

^

 

 

LOL "Third-rate politician."   Clearly there's some Nixon Watergate terms being thrown around in Trump's limited mind space.  😂🤣

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2 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

This is real?

 

Trish Regan from Fox Business said she obtained it and will discuss it on her show tonight.  Not sure what to make of it. 

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15 minutes ago, freefourur said:

 

Trish Regan from Fox Business said she obtained it and will discuss it on her show tonight.  Not sure what to make of it. 

 

It's just so weird.  Trump doesn't give a crap about the Kurds, especially based on his words today and previously, so it doesn't seem to make too much sense to see him almost begging for some kind of "deal" with offering concessions.  Any desired deal is unlikely to have anything really to do with the Kurds.  And what concessions?  Trump is both threatening Turkey and in almost full surrender to them at the same time.  If real, this is a painfully embarrassing look into Trump's foreign engagement, even greater than his actual corruption.  It's ineptitude at the highest level.

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https://www.newsweek.com/trump-teen-rape-allegation-national-enquirer-ronan-farrow-jane-doe-1465652?

 

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Amid behind-the-scenes details of his explosive reporting on Harvey Weinstein's alleged sexual misconduct, Ronan Farrow's new book Catch and Kill: Lies, Spies and a Conspiracy to Protect Predators claims that American Media Inc. (AMI), the former publisher of the National Enquirer, tried to help Donald Trump bury allegations he raped a teenager in 1994.

 

Farrow claims in the book that AMI CEO David Pecker was in close contact with Trump when the rape allegations were made public in a 2016 lawsuit, and that then-National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard assured Trump's personal lawyer at the time, Michael Cohen, "that they would track down the woman with the rape allegation and see what they could do about her."

 

Oh look, AMI stepping in again to cover up for rapey Don.


Very Stable Genius

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A Russian flag has been raised over the US military base in Syria. How does that make you feel, Trumpers?

 

 

Can't Trump do anything honorably? 

 

 

Edited by KJP

"Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you Buddy? It's the free market. And you're a part of it." -- Gordon Gekko.

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6 minutes ago, KJP said:

Can't Trump do anything honorably? 

 

I assume this is rhetorical?  🤣

 

Gee a guy who bankrupts a casino has some shady bookkeeping?   Can't wait to see those tax returns! 

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"Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you Buddy? It's the free market. And you're a part of it." -- Gordon Gekko.

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2 hours ago, freefourur said:

This is most hilarious thing I have ever seen.  

 

The Art of the Deal, indeed. 

 

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I think I’ve finally figured out what the ‘art of the deal’ is! It’s begging, from a point of zero leverage, in order to get yourself out of a mess of your own making. Genius!!

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And they reckon that the last thing she saw in her life was
Sting, singing on the roof of the Barbican

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28 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

^ What language is "E Pluribus Unum?"

 

Did you pull a muscle with that ridiculous stretch? Lmao 

 

Btw, did the Italians storm Normandy with us or nah?

Edited by DarkandStormy

Very Stable Genius

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55 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Did you pull a muscle with that ridiculous stretch? Lmao 

 

Btw, did the Italians storm Normandy with us or nah?

 

Hahahahhahaha! Damn, that was brutal! Touché’ brother.

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44 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

Did you pull a muscle with that ridiculous stretch? Lmao

 

It's not a stretch at all, just the most painfully obvious of any number of examples. Many of the most "American" of concepts share fundamental ideals with those of Ancient Rome. It's no accident our national motto, the words on our currency, the names of our most common legal terms, etc. are all Latin phrases. The chief buildings of all three branches of our government are Neoclassical structures. Even everyday homes and buildings, particularly in Ohio's urban areas, are "Italianate." I'd wager it's difficult to argue that the cultural and political heritage of America isn't deeply intertwined with that of ancient Rome. Feel free to make an attempt, though.

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3 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

It's not a stretch at all, just the most painfully obvious of any number of examples. Many of the most "American" of concepts share fundamental ideals with those of Ancient Rome. It's no accident our national motto, the words on our currency, the names of our most common legal terms, etc. are all Latin phrases. The chief buildings of all three branches of our government are Neoclassical structures. Even everyday homes and buildings, particularly in Ohio's urban areas, are "Italianate." I'd wager it's difficult to argue that the cultural and political heritage of America isn't deeply intertwined with that of ancient Rome. Feel free to make an attempt, though.

 

1 hour ago, DarkandStormy said:

Btw, did the Italians storm Normandy with us or nah?

 

America as we know it now was founded in 1776. 1,000 years ago - as you and Trump suggest - it was much different.

 

Jesus Christ, I didn't think I had to spell it out, but leave it to Trump and his supporters to make us state basic facts.

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2 hours ago, Ram23 said:

 

It's not a stretch at all, just the most painfully obvious of any number of examples. Many of the most "American" of concepts share fundamental ideals with those of Ancient Rome. It's no accident our national motto, the words on our currency, the names of our most common legal terms, etc. are all Latin phrases. The chief buildings of all three branches of our government are Neoclassical structures. Even everyday homes and buildings, particularly in Ohio's urban areas, are "Italianate." I'd wager it's difficult to argue that the cultural and political heritage of America isn't deeply intertwined with that of ancient Rome. Feel free to make an attempt, though.

 

You're actually trying to justify Trump's blathering old man comments? What was I thinking....of course you are. Cultists doing cult things.....


"Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you Buddy? It's the free market. And you're a part of it." -- Gordon Gekko.

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4 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Did you pull a muscle with that ridiculous stretch? Lmao 

 

Btw, did the Italians storm Normandy with us or nah?

sarcastic state of the union GIF

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"Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you Buddy? It's the free market. And you're a part of it." -- Gordon Gekko.

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More cultism....

 

 

And he hires only the "best people"....

 

Edited by KJP

"Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you Buddy? It's the free market. And you're a part of it." -- Gordon Gekko.

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13 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

The official White House Twitter account is...playing up Trump's stupidity? Lol

 

 

Except the ancient Romans had better roads and airports.... #infrastructureweek

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The stuff about Graham is incredibly infuriating.  Senate Republicans are out in the open with their treason and dereliction of duty.  And of course the rank and file Trump supporter here and elsewhere will say nothing.  All cowards.

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^ in a real court, a juror who has already decided that the defendant is not guilty prior to the trial would be dismissed.  It would be funny if the articles of impeachment are filed and dems file a motion to insist that prejudiced jurors be removed from deciding because they cannot uphold their constitutional duty to be impartial. 

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This seems like pretty dumb politics.  Who outside of the most cultish Trump supporters believes that he should be completely immune to being removed from office, no matter what comes out of the investigation?  The Republican Party is tying itself ever tighter to a sinking man.

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5 minutes ago, X said:

This seems like pretty dumb politics.  Who outside of the most cultish Trump supporters believes that he should be completely immune to being removed from office, no matter what comes out of the investigation?  The Republican Party is tying itself ever tighter to a sinking man.

 

The most cultish Trump supporters... are pretty much all Trump supporters, with very few exceptions.  It's not a majority of the country, but it's a significant minority that's been given a disproportionately loud voice.  I don't think most Republicans believe they'll face any repercussions from their district voters, and they're probably not wrong.

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9 minutes ago, X said:

This seems like pretty dumb politics.  Who outside of the most cultish Trump supporters believes that he should be completely immune to being removed from office, no matter what comes out of the investigation?  The Republican Party is tying itself ever tighter to a sinking man.

 

I haven't read anything on Graham's letter.  There is this in the WP yesterday:  

 

McConnell tells Senate Republicans to be ready for impeachment trial of Trump

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-tells-senate-republicans-to-be-ready-for-impeachment-trial-of-trump/2019/10/16/52c0a62e-f050-11e9-89eb-ec56cd414732_story.html

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