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Pence tells House GOP to 'buckle up' for breakneck pace

 

Vice President-elect Mike Pence told his former colleagues in the House Thursday to "buckle up" for an ambitious open to the new administration, marked by efforts to roll back Obamacare and regulations and tackle tax reform.

 

"I'm very confident that as we move towards inauguration, bring together a great team, work in concert with leaders in the House and Senate, and we're going to move an agenda that's going to rebuild our military, revive our economy, and -- in a word -- make America great again," Pence said Thursday after he left his meeting with the House Republican Conference -- a group he used to chair when he was in Congress four years ago.

 

Pence, embracing his role as a chief liaison to Congress for the new administration of Donald Trump, was clearly happy as he headed to the Hill. He has multiple meetings with Congressional leaders throughout the day Thursday, including with House Speaker Paul Ryan, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.

 

More below:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/politics/mike-pence-house-republicans/index.html

 

This scares me more than Trump!  Pence will try to rewind America 100 years if he gets his way, especially if he gets a Supreme Court on his side. 

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^ Not a spike in hate crimes, Ken just goes out seeking negative information and trying to find anything negative to justify his views. Finding a few stories about a hate crime or two does not make a trend. This stuff will go on periodically, it is part of living in a free country. However, it is the rare exception and not the norm. Ken likes to find these one in a million problems and act like they are going on regularly on every corner when in fact they are a rare exception.

 

 

I don't find the news. It finds me. I pick a few of the articles in my Twitter and Facebook news feeds to share here. If I posted them all, I'd be spending a lot more than the 10-20 minutes I spend now in sharing them. I don't read most of the articles I post because most news makes me furious and sick to my stomach. The headlines are awful enough for me. It's why I gave up watching cable TV news networks years ago. I'd get so angry at the general meanness of people that I'd want to burn down the world. And I really am an optimist who prefers to advocate for transportation projects that build the world up. I can't be an optimist if I read or watch the news, but I also want to have some idea of what's going on in the world. And since I'm really not interested in a discussion with many of you, posting articles is my way of saying "I don't care enough about what you think regarding a political issue to respond in my own words, so here's an article for you to chew on instead." And if you don't like it, so much the better.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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False equivalency will be the downfall of the world.

 

1. Donald Trump runs the ridiculous campaign he ran, with all the rhetoric we've discussed ad nauseum, and is elected president anyways.

 

2. BUT THIS ANTI-TRUMP PROTESTER IN PORTLAND BROKE A WINDOW LAST WEEK!!! THE LEFT IS JUST AS BAD!!!

 

And then so many people just accept these types of gas-lighting arguments. It's misdirection, brainwashing.

 

THE LEFT ACCUSED TRUMP OF HATE AND NOW LOOK AT ALL THE HATE THEY'RE SHOWING TO HIM!!! HYPOCRITES

 

If you can't tell the difference between

 

1) scaring children into believing they're going to be deported, and 2) hating the guy who scared them

 

you're an idiot. and a coward.

 

"The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict." - MLK

 

I know what's right and what's wrong, and I don't give a f%$# what some protesters did.  Our democratic norms and institutions are in danger. But HRC deleted some emails guys. They're both bad!™

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Trump To Name Picks For National Security Adviser, Attorney General, CIA Director

 

The president of the NAACP called Sessions' appointment "troubling," while a legislative counsel at the ACLU called him "the senator with probably the most anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, anti-child record in the Senate."

 

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/18/502207098/trump-picks-sen-jeff-sessions-for-attorney-general


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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I know what's right and what's wrong, and I don't give a f%$# what some protesters did.  Our democratic norms and institutions are in danger. But HRC deleted some emails guys. They're both bad!™

 

You, and liberals en masse, are not the arbitrators of right and wrong. Morality is subjective. It is not "wrong" to deport  illegal immigrants. If that scares some children along the way (and I'm being gracious to even address that because 'please think of the children' arguments are some of the lamest out there) it isn't Trump's fault - it's the fault of the parents who broke the law to sneak into the US, and it's their fault alone.

 

What is wrong, and immoral, is assaulting someone because of how they voted. The only false equivalencies here are the ones your making to justify the violence and hate the left is spewing. Hate is hate - whether you hate someone for their political views or their birthplace you're still a hateful person.

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What is wrong, and immoral, is assaulting someone because of how they voted.

 

It's also a very dangerous trend. 

 

For the time being it's only being practiced by the undisciplined.

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That one video of an isolated incident is going to be the alt-right's battle cry for some time now.  It's the new New Black Panthers video.  They may as well run it on continuous loop on the front page of Breitbart, if it isn't already.  It will be used to justify anything and everything they want to do to #MAWA 

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That one video of an isolated incident is going to be the alt-right's battle cry for some time now.  It's the new New Black Panthers video.  They may as well run it on continuous loop on the front page of Breitbart, if it isn't already.  It will be used to justify anything and everything they want to do to #MAWA 

 

That's not the only one.  Just the worst so far.

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^Has Obama offered to pay the attackers' legal fees?

 

Nobody should make excuses for that type of behavior, regardless of whether the attack was unprovoked or caused by a Trump or Clinton supporter agitating a fired up crowd.  But isolated incidents of violence are not going anywhere.  They happened at Trump rallies (I don't recall any happening at Clinton rallies), with his supporters physically assaulting protesters, and they happen at protests against Trump, with the protesters assaulting people who are there to counter protest.  And then you have this white nationalist porn video of some black hooligans beating a white man with the crowd in the background agitating the situation further by saying the white guy voted for Trump.  Those are all criminal acts, regardless of the context.  But what really bothers me is this notion that those acts by random people somehow justify hate being spewed and injustice being inflicted by elected officials and being made part of an actual political agenda.  It is that line of thinking which the southerners used to justify their Jim Crow laws.  It's beyond a slippery slope.  It's a cliff.  Trump's team knows that nothing motivates his base supporters like fear.  Watch him use it.

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I'm a pretty neutral person, I never liked either Trump or Clinton.

 

I can see unequivocally that people are reacted really in an absolute ridiculous way about Trump winning.

 

I do not feel sorry at all for people being afraid they will be deported.  If they are legal, why would they be afraid?  Ohhh, well you brought your children here, or you came in here illegally and had children, so you get a pass?  While taxpayers and citizens of this country pay for your roads that get you your food, etc. etc.  And then people on the far left are so so so offended by what Trump said originally when really it wasn't anything different than anyone has said in the past, maybe he said it in a more crude manner.

 

Lastly, I don't think anyone has gone as low as Bill Clinton did in 1991 or 1992 in executing a man who basically had a labatomy and every single person who was around asked for clemency because the man was turned into a child.  Clinton killed him anyways because he wanted to be looked at as a law and order candidate.  Think if Trump did that? 

 

If I went to a country illegally, like Canada, and sucked on the teet of that country and their taxpayers, I highly highly doubt that anyone in Canada would feel bad for me and give me a pass.  And this is more than 11 million people who came into our country, not just a few.  In fact, there were some Canadian friends and also my gf's Canadian friend said something like, "Trump is going to screw Canada because now all the illegal immigrants are going to come up here and ruin our economy", and do any of you all think that most Canadians feel that way?  It's a bizzaro world that's for sure.

 

 

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It's amazing that people think that nobody is going to be unfairly targeted or have their status decided for them incorrectly and then they'll be thrown out.

 

It's like thinking there are no innocent people that ever go to prison.

 

Come on. Do you really think if the government decided they didn't want you here, they couldn't easily find a reason to invalidate whatever legal papers or reason you have to be here so that they can get rid of you? If 12 racist dicks complain about the Muslim at work and claim he's illegal, even if his papers are in order and he's there legally, you can bet they will find a reason a T wasn't crossed or an I wasn't dotted correctly so that they can deport them. And in the meantime, EVEN WHEN PEOPLE'S STUFF WILL EVENTUALLY CHECK OUT, they'll be likely jailed temporarily or at minimum, harassed horribly until such time as a decision is made, and even then, do you really think the people who complained are going to be all, oh, ok, you checked him out and he's good?

 

I cannot believe people are that naive. Like it's just a matter of people handing over their papers and everyone going, nope, you're good, carry on.

 

Have you ever been involved in a lawsuit for which you were not at fault and maybe were even a 3rd or 4th party, completely unrelated to the original complaint? It can take years to untangle and cost thousands of dollars. I had a friend lose her job at a new company because she left the old one when the boss made her take part in illegal practices regarding buying and selling cars. Then the car company sued the boss and included her in the suit, and she had to get a lawyer to get out of the suit and pay thousands of dollars proving she was only doing what she was told. she is now filing for bankruptcy. This is real. These things happen. It's not happenstance and anecdotal. Having a "show us your papers" country is not going to simply and only yield people who are here illegally.

 

And what of the children born on American soil to those who are here illegally. They are american citizens by law. Let's say the father brought the family over for a job, then he was killed and now the Mom is targeted as an illegal immigrant. You just send her to jail? And then deport her? The kid has a right to grow up as a citizen.

 

What of the lab worker who is doing specialized research on a grant, then the grant lapses and it's 6 months until the new one comes up. Without this person's key research, we might miss an important medical advancement. But instead of waiting until the 6 months is over and the person can be here legally under the grant again, just throw them the hell out immediately? And come back when you get the grant again?

 

These issues are much, much more complex than show us your papers and if you're here illegally, you're gone.

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Honestly, this is the same naiveté and blindness people have when they say, if the black people had just done what they were told to when they were stopped by the police, there would never have been a problem. It's now been documented hundreds of times that even when people do this, things still go horribly wrong and they are unfairly targeted. BECAUSE OF BIAS. This is what's going to happen to people who have to show their papers either. Well, I thought he was an illegal, so I started an argument with him and then he got mad and I had to shoot him. I mean, it's really going to be bad.

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"Rosenzweig explained to Clinton that it was all a horrible misunderstanding, Rector was “a zombie — it couldn’t, it shouldn’t be done. He’s a child. It’s like killing a child.” Rosenzweig begged Clinton not to allow the execution to proceed. “His execution,” Rosenzweig said, “would be remembered as a disgrace to the state.” After listening patiently to what Rosenzweig had to say, Clinton “hung up with a non-committal pleasantry.”

 

Still, Rosenzweig believed Clinton couldn’t execute Rector, now that he had the facts. “I thought he just might not want to be seen as merciless,” Rosenzweig recollected.

 

Clinton refused to grant clemency. Rector was executed on January 24, 1992. It is unlikely he had any idea what was about to happen. When he had his last meal, Rector set the dessert aside for later, even though there wouldn’t be a later. And in a pitiful and poignant detail, the night before his execution, watching Clinton on television, Rector said that he planned to vote for him in November.

 

Clinton’s plan to appear “tough on crime” had worked. In the following months, the political value of Rector’s execution became abundantly clear. It knocked the law-and-order issue out of the campaign. One commentator said it showed Clinton was “a different sort of Democrat.” As another put it, “he had someone put to death who only had half a brain. You don’t find them any tougher than that.”"

 

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/bill-clinton-rickey-rector-death-penalty-execution-crime-racism/

 

Now, I'm not saying everything Trump did was good or he didn't make things that make you screech or cringe or anything, and I hope with everything we keep moving forward as a country, but it's unfair to say that the same things haven't happened with Clinton on a different level.  I heard a lot of people say, "the Clinton's are career criminals in my mind".  Yet they are all labeled racists for voting against her, just ridiculous.

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It's amazing that people think that nobody is going to be unfairly targeted or have their status decided for them incorrectly and then they'll be thrown out.

 

It's like thinking there are no innocent people that ever go to prison.

 

Come on. Do you really think if the government decided they didn't want you here, they couldn't easily find a reason to invalidate whatever legal papers or reason you have to be here so that they can get rid of you? If 12 racist dicks complain about the Muslim at work and claim he's illegal, even if his papers are in order and he's there legally, you can bet they will find a reason a T wasn't crossed or an I wasn't dotted correctly so that they can deport them. And in the meantime, EVEN WHEN PEOPLE'S STUFF WILL EVENTUALLY CHECK OUT, they'll be likely jailed temporarily or at minimum, harassed horribly until such time as a decision is made, and even then, do you really think the people who complained are going to be all, oh, ok, you checked him out and he's good?

 

I cannot believe people are that naive. Like it's just a matter of people handing over their papers and everyone going, nope, you're good, carry on.

 

Have you ever been involved in a lawsuit for which you were not at fault and maybe were even a 3rd or 4th party, completely unrelated to the original complaint? It can take years to untangle and cost thousands of dollars. I had a friend lose her job at a new company because she left the old one when the boss made her take part in illegal practices regarding buying and selling cars. Then the car company sued the boss and included her in the suit, and she had to get a lawyer to get out of the suit and pay thousands of dollars proving she was only doing what she was told. she is now filing for bankruptcy. This is real. These things happen. It's not happenstance and anecdotal. Having a "show us your papers" country is not going to simply and only yield people who are here illegally.

 

And what of the children born on American soil to those who are here illegally. They are american citizens by law. Let's say the father brought the family over for a job, then he was killed and now the Mom is targeted as an illegal immigrant. You just send her to jail? And then deport her? The kid has a right to grow up as a citizen.

 

What of the lab worker who is doing specialized research on a grant, then the grant lapses and it's 6 months until the new one comes up. Without this person's key research, we might miss an important medical advancement. But instead of waiting until the 6 months is over and the person can be here legally under the grant again, just throw them the hell out immediately? And come back when you get the grant again?

 

These issues are much, much more complex than show us your papers and if you're here illegally, you're gone.

 

Oh I am sure it happens, no doubt, but you act like 1 in 1,000 should be an exception to everything.  Point blank, if you illegally go into another country, you should pay the penalty.  Just like Obama has been doing the past 8 years, too.  That's not being naive, that's being realistic.

 

And yeah, Sh** happens.  I got mugged in Cincinnati and was told "stay the f*** out of our neighborhood white boy", but I am not going out screaming blacks are racists against whites or became a racist because of it.  I had to spend $3k of my own money for my hospital bills until the victim of crime compensation came through a year later, but I'm not mad at the system. 

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^^Why are we talking about Bill Clinton in the Trump Presidency thread?  And in order to be properly labeled a "career criminal" you, you know, actually have to be convicted of several crimes over the course of your life.  It's an inflammatory, hyperbolic statement with no basis in fact.

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Bill Clinton was not running for office this election. What does this have to do with how horrible it is to elect Trump? Because Cambodia had Pol Pot, they should elect someone else who is also horrible? Because Hitler had Germany, they should do it again?

 

One good turn deserves another is really the argument for electing a horrible monster?

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Bill Clinton was not running for office this election. What does this have to do with how horrible it is to elect Trump? Because Cambodia had Pol Pot, they should elect someone else who is also horrible? Because Hitler had Germany, they should do it again?

 

One good turn deserves another is really the argument for electing a horrible monster?

 

I'm not sayiing that, all I was trying to say is that this vote was as much against the Clinton's as it was for Trump.  And if you don't think that, then that is naive.  That's all I am saying.

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^Sure, but I highly doubt the Ricky Rector case has anything to do with even a single person voting against Clinton.

 

What do you mean?  You don't think the cumulative affect of actions over the years doesn't change the perception of a person or family for groups of people?  That logic makes no sense at all

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^We aren't talking about the cumulative effect of the vast right wing conspiracyTM against the Clintons we are talking about a single case.  You think Trump voters are against the execution of a killer who also shot a cop and then turned himself into a vegetable by shooting himself in the head when they tried to arrest him?  Give me a break.

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^ You are missing my logic, completely missing my logic.  I am saying both sides are completely guilty of hypocritical accusations.  Both sides extrapolate the truth and bend it to fit their narrative.  The left says Trump is a monster, the rigth says Clinton is a monster.  I said that the Clinton's are viewed as career criminals by a lot of people. You say that is not based in fact.  I gave you an example of why some people think that. 

 

Now you say, how does that have anything to do with now or Trump, I say, it's a cumulative effect over the years. 

 

So all I am saying, no matter what side you are on, it's hypocritical to say "Oh it's BS for people to think Clinton's are career criminals, no facts, etc.", I present a specific case of why people have that impression and that impression grew over the years, not even to mention Clinton's lies and secrecacy, then you come back and say it is irrelevant.  When in fact, you are doing the same exact thing about Trump.

 

I don't want to argue, I don't, I just think it's amusing people come out and point out the arrow lodged in someones leg when their own side also has an arrow lodged into their leg.

 

By the way I didn't vote for Trump.

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What is wrong, and immoral, is assaulting someone because of how they voted. The only false equivalencies here are the ones your making to justify the violence and hate the left is spewing. Hate is hate - whether you hate someone for their political views or their birthplace you're still a hateful person.

 

Sorry but no. What you're doing is the exact thing my post is criticizing. Muddying the waters and making a false equivalency to distract from what Trump wants to do and is going to do.

 

I never assaulted anyone for how they voted and I never "justified" any violence. Anyone who damages anything while protesting should be arrested and charged. What I said is that a protester in the street doing something, whatever he/she does, is not equal to the president-elect of the united states. OK, so you think my "think of the children argument" is lame. (I don't.) But fine, I can go through pages and pages of things he's said and things he's done and frankly we all know what they are so I shouldn't even have to.

 

Stop and frisk and "law and order," how about that one? He lies and says crime is going up when it isn't, he lies about the conditions of "inner cities" to his suburban and rural base (which I think this board knows more than anyone, don't have realistic images of cities) and he says he wants to implement stop and frisk, a failed policy that unfairly affects millions of people. Not equal to a broken window by a venting protester. NOT EQUAL.

 

Using the fact that the New York Times has a left-leaning editorial page to pretend it invalidates all their reporting, and therefore pretending anything they report is equal to anything conservativetodaywebnews.net reports. NOT EQUAL.

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^He can't.  But his DOJ can and probably will look the other way on civil rights violations by the local authorities.  That is the real danger here.  Not that Trump and his team will be overtly racist, but that they won't do anything to stop racism by local authorities in "Kentucky USA"

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^He can't.  But his DOJ can and probably will look the other way on civil rights violations by the local authorities.  That is the real danger here.  Not that Trump and his team will be overtly racist, but that they won't do anything to stop racism by local authorities in "Kentucky USA"

 

That is a legitimate concern.

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I really wonder at the capability of the Trump regime. I don't really care about his deportation policy. I think it will end up that Obama will have deported more people than him anyways. But Obama will have had 8 years and the trumpster if he"s lucky 4.  To me that is a non-issue.

  I worry about the about the idiots he's going to put in charge of all the departments. NSA idiot is Putin's favorite general. He wants a convicted felon that actually has issue keeping secrets as a DoD secretary. It really looks like wingnut central for his cabinet.

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this is heartening. Not all Hillary voters are as unhinged as the phony protesters that are in the news day and night--

 

Jason Riley: Harlem Gives President Trump a Chance

 

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/11/16/jason-riley-harlem-gives-president-trump-chance

 

"This may come as a shock to the political left, but not everyone who opposed Donald Trump is as angry or despondent as the demonstrators who grabbed headlines nationwide over the past week or the pundits who intellectualized the Democratic hissy fit.

 

On Monday I took a stroll around New York City’s Harlem neighborhood and asked a couple of dozen black residents to respond to the election and subsequent protests. I didn’t come across any Trump voters—or at least any who admitted it—but many told me they had expected Hillary Clinton’s defeat. No one thought it was the end of the world."

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this is heartening. Not all Hillary voters are as unhinged as the phony protesters that are in the news day and night--

 

Jason Riley: Harlem Gives President Trump a Chance

 

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/11/16/jason-riley-harlem-gives-president-trump-chance

 

"This may come as a shock to the political left, but not everyone who opposed Donald Trump is as angry or despondent as the demonstrators who grabbed headlines nationwide over the past week or the pundits who intellectualized the Democratic hissy fit.

 

On Monday I took a stroll around New York City’s Harlem neighborhood and asked a couple of dozen black residents to respond to the election and subsequent protests. I didn’t come across any Trump voters—or at least any who admitted it—but many told me they had expected Hillary Clinton’s defeat. No one thought it was the end of the world."

 

That's ironic, because I suspect if anyone is shocked by this, it is the readers and viewers of Fox, who view the left as being made up entirely of welfare queens who use American flags to burn effigies of Christ while chatting on their Obama phones

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^ What is with the "phoney protestor" label?  I hear this from people at work who said all the protesters in Cincinnati were getting checks from George Soros. Come on people think about it

 

It is once again misdirection as I was talking about above. Trying to distract from the real issue which is what the people are there protesting. They know they won't win that argument so they talk about broken windows and George Soros checks. If there's a protest of anything be it Trump, Black Lives Matter, whatever, these people will always try to make the discussion about the biggest idiot in the group of protesters, or accusations of phoniness or whatever. Of course they always say they support the first amendment, but that this particular protest is dumb. But they apply that to every protest. Misdirection. Changing the subject. Muddying the waters. Repeat a lie til it becomes true. Welcome to our new White House.

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^ What is with the "phoney protestor" label?  I hear this from people at work who said all the protesters in Cincinnati were getting checks from George Soros. Come on people think about it

 

It is once again misdirection as I was talking about above. Trying to distract from the real issue which is what the people are there protesting. They know they won't win that argument so they talk about broken windows and George Soros checks. If there's a protest of anything be it Trump, Black Lives Matter, whatever, these people will always try to make the discussion about the biggest idiot in the group of protesters, or accusations of phoniness or whatever. Of course they always say they support the first amendment, but that this particular protest is dumb. But they apply that to every protest. Misdirection. Changing the subject. Muddying the waters. Repeat a lie til it becomes true. Welcome to our new White House.

as I wondered already last week: What is it that they're protesting? Trump doesn't take office for another two months! All I can conclude is that they're protesting our very system of choosing a president, since they are unable to accept the results of what at least seems to be a free and fair election.

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^ What is with the "phoney protestor" label?  I hear this from people at work who said all the protesters in Cincinnati were getting checks from George Soros. Come on people think about it

 

It is once again misdirection as I was talking about above. Trying to distract from the real issue which is what the people are there protesting. They know they won't win that argument so they talk about broken windows and George Soros checks. If there's a protest of anything be it Trump, Black Lives Matter, whatever, these people will always try to make the discussion about the biggest idiot in the group of protesters, or accusations of phoniness or whatever. Of course they always say they support the first amendment, but that this particular protest is dumb. But they apply that to every protest. Misdirection. Changing the subject. Muddying the waters. Repeat a lie til it becomes true. Welcome to our new White House.

as I wondered already last week: What is it that they're protesting? Trump doesn't take office for another two months! All I can conclude is that they're protesting our very system of choosing a president, since they are unable to accept the results of what at least seems to be a free and fair election.

 

No, this has also been repeated ad nauseum. It is not about contesting the election. It's a way to show Trump that not everybody in the country agrees with him and we will be watching what he does. This is how a free society works.

 

I highly doubt that Mitt Romney would have caused such a reaction. If you are mad about the sheer volume of protests then you need to take a look in the mirror and think about what exactly is so different about your candidate that has caused this. I can lead you to the water but I can't make you drink.

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