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And now that the President is openly tweeting about how he deserves an extra two years on a term limit because of the investigation, I cannot wait to see @Ram23 and @eastvillagedon pull a full-twisting Shaposhnikova to rationalize this one

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42 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

And now that the President is openly tweeting about how he deserves an extra two years on a term limit because of the investigation, I cannot wait to see @Ram23 and @eastvillagedon pull a full-twisting Shaposhnikova to rationalize this one

 

They'll just say he's joking or being sarcastic. 

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Trump retweets Jerry Falwell suggesting his term should be extended by two years

 
And what are they going to say when he doesn't get reelected? That it was a phony election and the cultists will surround the White House with their pickups, motorcycles, and assault rifles and dare "the deep state" to try to remove Trump by force.
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"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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Good round table discussion to wrap up "Meet the Press" on Sunday regarding "the new normal".

 

Democrat front runners like Sanders & Biden are positioning themselves that a vote for them would put Dems back in power and restore "normalcy".  While Trump is anything but normal, all agreed that the pendulum has probably swung farther out of balance than most are willing to admit and our new normal's are "abnormal" 

 

A couple topics that fall into this category

 

 - national debt discussion 

 - European relations

 - foreign trade/tariffs

 - immigration

 - national elections and foreign interference/collusion

 - cyber crime

 

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more fake polls! 😮

 

Gallup Poll: Trump Approval Higher Than Obama’s At Same Point in Presidency

 

https://pjmedia.com/trending/gallup-poll-trump-approval-higher-than-obamas-at-same-point-in-presidency/

 

A new Gallup poll released last week shows President Trump’s approval rating steady despite the Mueller report. In fact, at 46 percent, it’s an all-time high for him at Gallup.

Approval of President Donald Trump's job performance remains relatively high for him following the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report in late March, and amid a flurry of positive economic news. After jumping from 39% in early March to 45% in the first half of April, Trump's approval rating held at 46% in a new Gallup poll conducted April 17-30.

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^Riiiiiiight.

 

STATEMENT BY FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTORS

We are former federal prosecutors. We served under both Republican and Democratic administrations at different levels of the federal system: as line attorneys, supervisors, special prosecutors, United States Attorneys, and senior officials at the Department of Justice. The offices in which we served were small, medium, and large; urban, suburban, and rural; and located in all parts of our country.

 

Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice.

 

The Mueller report describes several acts that satisfy all of the elements for an obstruction charge: conduct that obstructed or attempted to obstruct the truth-finding process, as to which the evidence of corrupt intent and connection to pending proceedings is overwhelming. These include:

 

More at:

https://medium.com/@dojalumni/statement-by-former-federal-prosecutors-8ab7691c2aa1

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Re the Iran thing - To me, this underscores how important it is to have some level of trust in our government.  We are supposed to trust that they're sending a carrier group over there because of some threats that they heard through the intelligence communities.  But the WH doesn't always believe the intelligence communities (re russia), and we certainly don't believe the WH because they lie daily. Mattis resigned because of disagreements with the administration.  So who is and who isn't to be believed? Who's actually calling the shots?  It's all a crapshoot because we have a lying narcissist leading.  

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19 minutes ago, ck said:

Re the Iran thing - To me, this underscores how important it is to have some level of trust in our government.  We are supposed to trust that they're sending a carrier group over there because of some threats that they heard through the intelligence communities.  But the WH doesn't always believe the intelligence communities (re russia), and we certainly don't believe the WH because they lie daily. Mattis resigned because of disagreements with the administration.  So who is and who isn't to be believed? Who's actually calling the shots?  It's all a crap shoot because we have an lying narcissist leading.  

 

General rule of thumb so far:

 

When applied to Muslim adversarial countries - trust intelligence communities; i.e. Dropping MOAB in Afghanistan based on intel. 

 

When applied to Muslim allied countries - undermine intelligence community; i.e. Khasshoghi murder

 

When applied to allies in general - do not trust intelligence community. 

 

When applied to Russia - lol bUt pUtiN SaYs OtHerWiSe

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Also, the list of signatorees to yesterday's letter now includes over 700 Federal Prosecutors. That. Is. Incredible. The list is bipartisan and geographically diverse, and now includes Giuliani's deputy US Attorney in the Southern District. 

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this morning Lynne Patton appeared on the local NPR station and brilliantly debunked the scurrilous "racism"  lies thrown at Trump despite biased host Brian Lehrer's best efforts to produce a gotcha moment. If you pick up the interview toward the end at 29:00, it's worth a listen, that is, for anyone interested in hearing the truth--

 

https://www.wnyc.org/story/talking-nycha-lynne-patton/

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I wouldn't call that event planner for Trump's family a "brilliant debunking" of anything Trump.  She played her part is all I'm going to say.


"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

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7 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

I wouldn't call that event planner for Trump's family a "brilliant debunking" of anything Trump.  She played her part is all I'm going to say.


Hey, who do you trust more? Trump's event planner or 700 bipartisan federal prosecutors? 

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Well.... if we were wondering how he got leveraged.... losing hundreds of millions year after year can do that to a guy...

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Wasn't the fact that Trump routinely showed losses throughout the 80s and early 90s for tax purposes already reported years ago?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

 

Additional, Trump actually wrote a book 25 years ago in which he explains exactly what he did to make money to get himself out of debt, while showing losses for tax purposes. One of the stated reasons he ran for president was to fix the tax code that had allowed him a lifetime of making billions while paying next to nothing in tax.

 

This NY Times cover story isn't exactly fake news, it's just not "news" at all. The fact that once respected papers like this continue to invest so much time, money, and effort into Trump hit pieces instead of actual news continues to let me down.  We've seen the clickbait tabloidization of news essentially extend to all facets at this point, and it's frightening.

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4 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

Wasn't the fact that Trump routinely showed losses throughout the 80s and early 90s for tax purposes already reported years ago?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

 

Additional, Trump actually wrote a book 25 years ago in which he explains exactly what he did to make money to get himself out of debt, while showing losses for tax purposes. One of the stated reasons he ran for president was to fix the tax code that had allowed him a lifetime of making billions while paying next to nothing in tax.

 

This NY Times cover story isn't exactly fake news, it's just not "news" at all. The fact that once respected papers like this continue to invest so much time, money, and effort into Trump hit pieces instead of actual news continues to let me down.  We've seen the clickbait tabloidization of news essentially extend to all facets at this point, and it's frightening.

 

Not a serious person. 

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2 hours ago, Ram23 said:

Wasn't the fact that Trump routinely showed losses throughout the 80s and early 90s for tax purposes already reported years ago?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

 

Additional, Trump actually wrote a book 25 years ago in which he explains exactly what he did to make money to get himself out of debt, while showing losses for tax purposes. One of the stated reasons he ran for president was to fix the tax code that had allowed him a lifetime of making billions while paying next to nothing in tax.

 

This NY Times cover story isn't exactly fake news, it's just not "news" at all. The fact that once respected papers like this continue to invest so much time, money, and effort into Trump hit pieces instead of actual news continues to let me down.  We've seen the clickbait tabloidization of news essentially extend to all facets at this point, and it's frightening.

 

So you're saying he ran for president so he could rig the tax system to benefit himself personally.  So he's a grifter.  Thanks for admitting it.

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According to the years-long investigation, Trump received at least $413million in today's dollars from his father's real estate empire - $140million of which was a loan.

 

Imagine being so bad as a businessman you need to borrow some $400 million from your father as your fall back plan to avoid bankruptcy.

 

A real "man of the people."


Very Stable Genius

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3 hours ago, Ram23 said:

Additional, Trump actually wrote a book 25 years ago in which he explains exactly what he did to make money to get himself out of debt, while showing losses for tax purposes. One of the stated reasons he ran for president was to fix the tax code that had allowed him a lifetime of making billions while paying next to nothing in tax.

 

1) He is not credited with any books in 1994, nor the two years prior or after 1994.  What book 25 years ago are you referencing?

 

2) When did he state that was one of the reasons he ran for President?

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26 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Imagine being so bad as a businessman you need to borrow some $400 million from your father as your fall back plan to avoid bankruptcy.

 

A real "man of the people."

 

Whether the information is new or not, it supports at least 2 of the theories as to why Trump refuses to release more recent tax returns.  1. He's far less rich and successful than claimed, and admitting that to the public after all his blatant self-promotion would be a big ego blow.  2. His money problems caused him to get into bed with shady characters doing potentially shady or even illegal activities, with large potential conflicts of interest for his presidency. 

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24 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Imagine being so bad as a businessman you need to borrow some $400 million from your father as your fall back plan to avoid bankruptcy.

 

A real "man of the people."

 

A small loan of $400 million.  I mean we've all borrowed money from our parents.  

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1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

 

So you're saying he ran for president so he could rig the tax system to benefit himself personally.  So he's a grifter.  Thanks for admitting it.

I don’t agree with Ram, but I also don’t think that is what he is saying.

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6 minutes ago, mkeller234 said:

I don’t agree with Ram, but I also don’t think that is what he is saying.

 

You're right, I read that incorrectly.  What Ram said still doesn't make any sense, though.  The only tax changes Trump promoted actually made it even easier for the rich to rake in even more money, so this idea that Trump wanted to do something altruistic, let alone against his own interests, has zero support.  What is supported is that Trump wasn't doing that hot in business at least during the 1980s and first half of the 1990s.  We don't know how he turned that around, or even if he did, but that bad performance would be good motivation to rig the system for personal benefit.

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46 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

You're right, I read that incorrectly.  What Ram said still doesn't make any sense, though.  The only tax changes Trump promoted actually made it even easier for the rich to rake in even more money, so this idea that Trump wanted to do something altruistic, let alone against his own interests, has zero support.  What is supported is that Trump wasn't doing that hot in business at least during the 1980s and first half of the 1990s.  We don't know how he turned that around, or even if he did, but that bad performance would be good motivation to rig the system for personal benefit.

Now that, I agree with!

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1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

 

You're right, I read that incorrectly.  What Ram said still doesn't make any sense, though.  The only tax changes Trump promoted actually made it even easier for the rich to rake in even more money, so this idea that Trump wanted to do something altruistic, let alone against his own interests, has zero support.  What is supported is that Trump wasn't doing that hot in business at least during the 1980s and first half of the 1990s.  We don't know how he turned that around, or even if he did, but that bad performance would be good motivation to rig the system for personal benefit.

 

He turned it around in big part because Ivanka got old enough to get involved.   She's actually a pretty good manager by most accounts, unlike him.

 

Trump's personal circles are mostly wealthy, so it stands to reason he would make changes to help them.   He typically listens to whoever got his ear last.   It's how he always has been.

 

Not a good leader, and rather petty and vain.   But he's not evil either, and the constant screeching that he is isn't going to convince anyone who voted for him.

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8 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Not a good leader, and rather petty and vain.   But he's not evil either, and the constant screeching that he is isn't going to convince anyone who voted for him.

 

Tell that to the black tenants he would not rent to. Or the Central Park Five. Or the children locked up at the border. Or the Trump University students he defrauded. Or the 13 year old girl who sued him for allegedly raping her at one of Jeffrey Epstein's parties. 

 

If evil exists, Donald Trump is a prime example of it. I don't care if anyone who voted for him is convinced. It's the truth. 

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3 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

He turned it around in big part because Ivanka got old enough to get involved.   She's actually a pretty good manager by most accounts, unlike him.

 

Trump's personal circles are mostly wealthy, so it stands to reason he would make changes to help them.   He typically listens to whoever got his ear last.   It's how he always has been.

 

Not a good leader, and rather petty and vain.   But he's not evil either, and the constant screeching that he is isn't going to convince anyone who voted for him.

 

We don't know any of this, though.  His recent finances are seemingly being protected by everyone in his administration.  This overwhelming effort to protect something that all other recent presidents freely offered with little drama raises far too many red flags to think there's nothing there.

 

Do you really think Trump wanted the tax reform passed more to help his rich friends or to help himself?  Because the answer to that question seems pretty obvious.

 

I think we have different definitions of evil.  Maybe it doesn't describe everything he does, but it describes enough.  As for his voters, they are what they support. 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, eastvillagedon said:

I challenge anyone to find a more succinct and accurate explanation of the Mueller investigation than this

 

 

What do Diamond and Silk have to say, though? 

 

Are you really under the impression that your sources are in any way unbiased?

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^you have the best sources of pretzels in which to contort yourself. Everything is an incredible reach and really bad analogies to make trumpies feel good about trump. I don’t see how one would accept that paper/stock losses from publicly traded companies in any way equate with financial losses at a tightly held private company.  It really is as stupid as believing trump that his company is worth whatever he feels it is worth on how he feels that day.  

Trump bought Eastern Airlines shuttle which quickly went out of business. He bought a USFL team with Herschel Walker on it and helped put that league into bankruptcy. He couldn’t stop building and buying casinos in Atlantic City and tearing down casinos that weren’t his to build “new and better ones” in the same spots.  How many examples of being a bad businessman do we have to bring up?  He’s had 6-7 personal bankruptcies. He has sued and been sued thousands of times. I imagine i will go through my life never suing anyone or ever being sued as do most people. He rarely if ever has paid federal income taxes. He never wrote a book(ghostwriter). He doesn’t really even read from what anyone can tell. Why should we have to debunk your crazy memes you find?

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2 hours ago, eastvillagedon said:

^can you find something factually incorrect in that video? But since you mentioned Diamond & Silk, they address today's news and put Trump's finances in perspective

 

 

Do you understand the losses were on Trumps tax returns? The loses for those guys were in stock which they regained.

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Diamond and Silk have made a career for themselves on uneducated and under-informed hot takes. Don't be surprised, @freefourur, this is what we get after years of belittling intellectualism because it makes people feel inferior. 

 

BTW, for anyone paying attention, we're not all that far from a very real war with Iran - which is somehow the like third biggest Trump issue of this week. 

 

Now - credit to the Trump admin here - forcing drug companies to list its prices in ads is HUGE, and great news. 

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