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Just now, jonoh81 said:

 

Clinton was super middle ground on social policy and to the right on international policy.  Everyone hated her.  Biden is arguably the least progressive candidate that ran except for Gabbard, and she basically ran as a Republican.  I think it's time to admit that this magical, perfect middle of the road candidate that moderate conservatives would vote for doesn't actually exist and it's just an excuse to keep supporting the morally bankrupt candidates Republicans really love.

Clinton was, her problem was her insincerity or at least that is how she was perceived by many. 

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MASKGATE!!!

And because the Trump Administration leaks like a sieve - here's a picture of Trump "giving us pleasure"

 

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WTF??

 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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9 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

Clinton was super middle ground on social policy and to the right on international policy.  Everyone hated her.  Biden is arguably the least progressive candidate that ran except for Gabbard, and she basically ran as a Republican.  I think it's time to admit that this magical, perfect middle of the road candidate that moderate conservatives would vote for doesn't actually exist and it's just an excuse to keep supporting the morally bankrupt candidates Republicans really love.

 

Slightly off topic but...John "WE CAN'T DO SOCIALISM" Hickenlooper and John Delaney may be in the running.  Also, former REPUBLICAN Mike Bloomberg was in the race for a few months, I'm told.  And didn't Seth Moulton mount a challenge against Pelosi for Speaker?

 

Anyway, Dems could have ran Bloomberg or Howard Schultz or John Kasich and people would still stay, "eh...not moderate enough for me, I'm gonna go with the authoritarian."


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45 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Slightly off topic but...John "WE CAN'T DO SOCIALISM" Hickenlooper and John Delaney may be in the running.  Also, former REPUBLICAN Mike Bloomberg was in the race for a few months, I'm told.  And didn't Seth Moulton mount a challenge against Pelosi for Speaker?

 

Anyway, Dems could have ran Bloomberg or Howard Schultz or John Kasich and people would still stay, "eh...not moderate enough for me, I'm gonna go with the authoritarian."

Dems would never have run Kaisich and he would not have run on the Dem ticket. He is still a Republican at its core.

 

Bloomberg would have been an interesting candidate. I do think he would have received a lot of crossover voters  because of his hawkish stances and big business cache. I personally would have a huge issue with him because of his stance on civil liberties, but there are a number of moderate suburban people who would embrace someone like Bloomberg as someone who they feel could get the job done. 

 

Delaney and Hickenlooper's biggest problem is that they dont have the name recognition, or in the case of Hickenlooper, there is a little bit of name issue there (could you see someone in the oval office with the name Hickenlooper no matter what their polciies)

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1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Delaney and Hickenlooper's biggest problem is that they dont have the name recognition, or in the case of Hickenlooper, there is a little bit of name issue there (could you see someone in the oval office with the name Hickenlooper no matter what their polciies)

 

I mean, folks voted for a reality show host named Trump so I doubt having a man named Hickenlooper afterwards would've been a big deal.


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1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Dems would never have run Kaisich and he would not have run on the Dem ticket. He is still a Republican at its core.

 

Kasich wasn't a serious example - just showing how even a "moderate" Republican alternative wouldn't be enough for most R voters now.


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13 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Clinton was, her problem was her insincerity or at least that is how she was perceived by many. 

 

So clearly if one candidate is perceived as insincere, the best policy is to vote for the other candidate who is arguably the least honest candidate and politician of all time.  The problem is that everything Clinton was accused of- and now what Biden is being accused of- Trump is like 50x worse on.  We can keep pretending this is about issues with the Democrat, but it's really about issues with intellectual dishonesty.

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“We don’t want anyone to do mail-in ballots,” Trump said. He immediately clarified that some people could vote by mail if they are sick or won’t be in their state. Trump himself has voted by mail, both in the Florida primary this year and in the Florida 2018 elections.

 

Trump First, Americans Last is the only policy this administration has.


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Its not just intellectual dishonesty.  Its a belief system a well. People like being told they are right and that is what fox does. We’re coming up on 25,000 Bengazis in this pandemic but fox doesn’t really care. 

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5 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

 

I mean, folks voted for a reality show host named Trump so I doubt having a man named Hickenlooper afterwards would've been a big deal.

From that perspective you're right, but for the same reason some stars change their name, the last name is part of the brand. 

President Hickenlooper does not sound quite right and may turn off some voters. Same if you had President Huckabee. A name like Huckabee could win governor, but knowing nothing about the guys policies ahead of time, does the name resonate strongly with people as a name of a strong leader. 

 

Now, Obama obviously was able to overcome that, and it probably means less today than it did 30 years ago, but the name is part of the personal brand and a name like Huckabee really does not scream presidential, same with Hickenlooper. 

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4 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

So clearly if one candidate is perceived as insincere, the best policy is to vote for the other candidate who is arguably the least honest candidate and politician of all time.  The problem is that everything Clinton was accused of- and now what Biden is being accused of- Trump is like 50x worse on.  We can keep pretending this is about issues with the Democrat, but it's really about issues with intellectual dishonesty.

I not in anyone' else's voting both when they cast their ballots so I cant really speak for them, but when you look at the exit polling about Hillary, the sincerity thing really hurt her. Policy is only part of it. If you dont have the right person promoting that policy over the finish line, it is all for not. 

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5 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Kasich wasn't a serious example - just showing how even a "moderate" Republican alternative wouldn't be enough for most R voters now.

Some candidates like Kasich can catch fire but don't quite have the "it" factor today to push them over the top. Kasich was on FoxNews for 10 years after he left Congress and before governor which helped his name recognition but by and large, many Americans did not really know of him. It really made it hard to get traction in a large field.

 

Amy Klobuchar reminded me a lot of Kasich this year. Again, she was in the moderate lane but really suffered from strong name recognition outside of the upper Midwest. It kept her relevant, but like Kasich not enough thought she had enough cache to put her over the top. 

 

Look at the nominees over the last 30 years, they really have strong name recognition and a national following going into the primaries.

Trump  and Clinton in 16 - you pretty much have no oxygen left in the room after those 2 which is why so many dems stayed out in 16 opening the door for Sanders.

In 2012 - The GOP names of Romney and Gingrich were the ones who lasted longest. Romney needed 2008 to introduce himself much like Sanders used 2016 to introduce himself in 2020.

In 2008 - Obama and Hillary and McCain. Obama had the name recognition from his DNC performance in 04. Hillary of course was Hillary and McCain was known from 2000 with the race against Bush.

2004 - The Dems struggled because there was really no one with the great name recognition to carry the mantle. It turned into Kerry and Edwards in a battle but most people were not familiar with either. it hurt them against an incumbent.

2000 - Bush v Gore. Both had incredible name recogntion on a national level

1996 - Dole - National figure who had been around forever. 

1992 - Clinton - Star was on the rise from 88 DNC convention. Like Obama's

 

It is the ability to have a national base before you stert running now that is key.

This year, it  was no surprise it was Biden and Sanders. Both were well know figures nationally prior to running. 

 

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8 hours ago, audidave said:

Its not just intellectual dishonesty.  Its a belief system a well. People like being told they are right and that is what fox does. We’re coming up on 25,000 Bengazis in this pandemic but fox doesn’t really care. 

 

I actually agree with one position on the Right-  too many people have been told that what they feel and believe is to be coddled and everyone is special.  The irony is that this has manifested with far worse consequences... on the Right.  

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4 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I not in anyone' else's voting both when they cast their ballots so I cant really speak for them, but when you look at the exit polling about Hillary, the sincerity thing really hurt her. Policy is only part of it. If you dont have the right person promoting that policy over the finish line, it is all for not. 

 

And what I'm saying is that those people are full of crap.  I suspect if they were really being honest, what bothered them more was that she was female.  She had nowhere near the credibility issues that Trump had and has.  But arguing it now is pointless.  You can't argue facts with people that think they're subjective.

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1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I actually agree with one position on the Right-  too many people have been told that what they feel and believe is to be coddled and everyone is special.  The irony is that this has manifested with far worse consequences... on the Right.  

Absolutely agree. The only people i know that are massive trump fans are people that are either on the public dole because they retired from a public job or one that can’t get a job because he practically thinks he’s trump and everyone finds him insufferable.  His brain is on fox all day long to get those “smart” talking points. The grievances runs so deep with these people. 

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Worth reading 

 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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33 minutes ago, KJP said:

Worth reading 

 

 

Trump has always been as easily manipulated as his followers are.  People within his administration have been pulling his strings right from the beginning.  It's also evident from how often he repeats things he sees on Fox and other channels.  He's the least intellectually curious person I've ever seen and never seems to question anything he's told, which makes him very dangerous.

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Yep. Yesterday he got out of the Open Skies treaty. Next month he’ll get out of the test ban treaty. No bigs. He has big brain. 

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I.AM.NOT.SURPRISED/UNHAPPY

 

Coronavirus is spiking disproportionately in counties that voted for Trump in 2016

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-spiking-disproportionately-counties-voted-144412480.html

 

AND

 

The Trump effect: New study connects white American intolerance and support for authoritarianism

The research suggests that when intolerant white people fear democracy may benefit marginalized people, they abandon their commitment to democracy.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-effect-new-study-connects-white-american-intolerance-support-authoritarianism-ncna877886

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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5 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

 

Are Trump supporters going to acknowledge this - on the day Trump went golfing for the first time since March 8th - or will they do the usual song and dance of ignoring anything that makes Dear Leader look bad?


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Any trumpkins i talk to have no shame or memory.  The hardcore trumpkins just like making points.  What they said 3 days previous is easily forgotten.  My “friend” isn’t a hateful person. He just is a morph ala trying to nail jello on the wall. Truly pointless arguing anything with him. Not sure about other trump/fox zombies. 

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This bleach blonde apparently drank too much bleach, too

 

 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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And

 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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We're not human beings anymore. To them, we are....

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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And, rightfully, #TakeTrumpoffTwitter is trending......

 

 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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And

And

 

One trainwreck after another. 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Cue the tiny violins.   He only has himself to blame.  

 

“This Is So Unfair to Me”: Trump Whines About His COVID-19 Victimhood as Campaign Flails

 

Raging at campaign manager Brad Parscale and Joe Scarborough, Trump attempts a campaign reset. But “Trump can’t pivot to a different strategy,” says an adviser. Because he’s the problem.

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trump-whines-about-his-covid-19-victimhood-as-campaign-flails?fbclid=IwAR1oaw24h920JqmV9SGO5edslVu0V32YW9b9qQYjGNmSXaaKuiRjW-EyUvI

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I’ll never understand why his base thinks he’s strong. He whines and complains constantly. He’s weak and insecure.

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12 minutes ago, Sir2geez said:

I’ll never understand why his base thinks he’s strong. He whines and complains constantly. He’s weak and insecure.

 

He wants to shut down Twitter - so much for being a free speech warrior.


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We went from a president who was a constitutional law professor to a president that doesn't know "free speech" rights do not exist on privately owned social networks.

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1 hour ago, taestell said:

We went from a president who was a constitutional law professor to a president that doesn't know "free speech" rights do not exist on privately owned social networks.

 

Sarah Palin got widely mocked for not knowing that constitutional "free speech" applies to what speech government officials can limit of private citizens - and not what speech private citizens can limit of government officials.  Donald Trump shows that he is as ignorant as Sarah Palin.

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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And

 

Edited by KJP

"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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He fiddled for months while a pandemic was starting. But he acts immediately and decisively when Twitter hurts his fee fees. It is always obvious who Trump cares about. 

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

 

 

 

 

Freedom of speech is a human right, if you're content letting a small handful of corporations curtail that right, you don't really believe in it. This is especially true if you're content letting them do it because you're politically aligned with their censorship.

 

The biggest threat to our dearest freedoms in the digital age is not the government.

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2 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

Freedom of speech is a human right, if you're content letting a small handful of corporations curtail that right, you don't really believe in it. This is especially true if you're content letting them do it because you're politically aligned with their censorship.

 

The biggest threat to our dearest freedoms in the digital age is not the government.

 

Conservatives have every right to go start their own social media network.  Where are all the job creators?  

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What Twitter is doing is, by definition, not "censorship". They have left Trump's tweet online. All they have done is add a link below it fact-checking it. If the government tells Twitter they aren't allowed to add that link, that's a violation of ... wait for it ... Twitter's free speech rights.

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5 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

 

Conservatives have every right to go start their own social media network.  Where are all the job creators?  

they already have Facebook in their pocket. Conservatives are no happy unless every part of media media bends to their will.

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12 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

Freedom of speech is a human right, if you're content letting a small handful of corporations curtail that right, you don't really believe in it. This is especially true if you're content letting them do it because you're politically aligned with their censorship.

 

The biggest threat to our dearest freedoms in the digital age is not the government.

 
I wish Trump and conservatives felt this way when Kaepernick was taking a knee. I specifically remember Trump demanding the NFL make Kaepernick stand during the national anthem. Conservatives didn’t care Trump was telling the NFL to cut players for taking a knee. I remember conservatives saying the NFL is a private company and could make Kaepernick stand.  What’s the difference here? Social media companies are private companies, right? 

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20 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

Freedom of speech is a human right, if you're content letting a small handful of corporations curtail that right, you don't really believe in it. This is especially true if you're content letting them do it because you're politically aligned with their censorship.

 

The biggest threat to our dearest freedoms in the digital age is not the government.

 

😂

 

Posting on twitter is not "freedom of speech."  I can't believe we have to basic 4th-grade level civics discussions on what freedom of speech is.

 

Twitter putting a fact-check claim on a tweet from POTUS but LEAVING THE TWEET POSTED = censorship

Trump trying to govern Twitter by EO = good, actually

 

As usual, absolutely no principles and a complete misunderstanding of the "freedom" being discussed.  Not surprising.


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21 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

The biggest threat to our dearest freedoms in the digital age is not the government.

 

Could anyone imagine @Ram23saying this if a Democrat pulled these stunts??

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4 minutes ago, Sir2geez said:

 I wish Trump and conservatives felt this way when Kaepernick was taking a knee. I specifically remember Trump demanding the NFL make Kaepernick stand during the national anthem. Conservatives didn’t care Trump was telling the NFL to cut players for taking a knee. I remember conservatives saying the NFL is a private company and could make Kaepernick stand.  What’s the difference here? Social media companies are private companies, right? 

 

Are you ready to try that bleach therapy?  Because this might make you want to drink bleach.

 


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