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15 hours ago, freefourur said:

So instead of using the DPA to get enough testing supplies, he is using it to force people to work in meat processing plants.  Meat is not critical at all.  This would actually be a good time to change the way we process meat in America. In some ways, keeping things as is can lead to our next public health crisis.

 

"Sir, states need PPE! Can you use the DPA to compel companies to make more?"

"Nah."

 

"Sir, meat plants are shutting down and you might not be able to get your usual KFC bucket."

"DPA!"


Very Stable Genius

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The only amendment the Trump administration seems to care about is the 2nd.  If the lobbying dollars went away I'm sure that would as well. 

 

 

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Damn...

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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8 hours ago, Cleburger said:

The only amendment the Trump administration seems to care about is the 2nd.  If the lobbying dollars went away I'm sure that would as well. 

 

 

i was told the biggest threat to the first amendment is random college students...

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"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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Frightening scene in Michigan. My boomer parents kept repeating FOX News talking points during Obamas term about how he so badly divided our nation. Not a peep about division ever since 45 got in office....sigh....

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Please, can someone punch Pence and his staff in the face? Just once?

 

In fact, punch everyone in the Tramp Administration....

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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On 4/27/2020 at 9:36 AM, Cleburger said:

 

Nothing like waking up all the patients in the hospital to help them (and their caretakers) in the recovery process!  Idiot!  

 

 

tell me about it. most people had no idea about that flyover and we are all stuck inside. how do you think that came off? very frightening thats how. at least cuomo was mocking it.

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Yes he is. Would love to know the relationship between him and his mother.

 

 


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"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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LOL! 

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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Well done 

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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Guys, It turns out the the donald was not exactly telling the truth about his high school athletic heroics!
 

@thedailybeast: Shocking—Trump, who has repeatedly boasted about how great he was at baseball in high school and how he could totally have gone pro if he’d wanted to, actually pretty much sucked at it
https://trib.al/FdY2Wh5

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1 hour ago, audidave said:

Guys, It turns out the the donald was not exactly telling the truth about his high school athletic heroics!
 

@thedailybeast: Shocking—Trump, who has repeatedly boasted about how great he was at baseball in high school and how he could totally have gone pro if he’d wanted to, actually pretty much sucked at it
https://trib.al/FdY2Wh5

 

No one knows more about sucking at things than Donald Trump.

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He'll just throw a whataboutism regarding Biden's poor academic performance because we all know that the stable genius was an exceptional student. 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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Wait do we know that?  I believe he has threatened to sue all his former schools from releasing any information of that type. 
 

Can’t see his taxes. 
can’t see his grades. 
can’t see his P&L

Can’t see his Balance sheet. 

Can’t talk to any women that have signed NDAs

 

 

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Sorry, I should have put an 😉 after my post.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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^That’s ok. I mainly wanted to list all the known unknowns of trump.  As with anything trump if there was a shred of good news in any of it he would scream it from the hilltops or more likely bombastically brag to any tv camera about how amazing he is.  But he just lies that he knows everything.  
    Trump is hugely the poster boy for Dunning-Kruger effect. 

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"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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5 hours ago, KJP said:

 

I dont think it is disputed that he was guilty. He pleaded guilty. That was not the issue. Based on what the DOJ appears to be saying is that he is free because the DOJ did not have the probable cause to engage in such investigation and thus the evidence gleaned by the inappropriate investigation is therefore tainted.  It is akin to a DEA agent breaking into a house without cause under false pretenses and finding illegal drug activity. He then gets the warrant and is able to charge an individual for a crime. Because his grounds for obtaining that warrant were not legal, the drug dealer walks free. In that case, the dealer is guilty, there was evidence to prove it, but he walks because the way the government obtained the evidence to prove guilt. This is how i see what happened in the Flynn case. 

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1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I dont think it is disputed that he was guilty. He pleaded guilty. That was not the issue. Based on what the DOJ appears to be saying is that he is free because the DOJ did not have the probable cause to engage in such investigation and thus the evidence gleaned by the inappropriate investigation is therefore tainted.  It is akin to a DEA agent breaking into a house without cause under false pretenses and finding illegal drug activity. He then gets the warrant and is able to charge an individual for a crime. Because his grounds for obtaining that warrant were not legal, the drug dealer walks free. In that case, the dealer is guilty, there was evidence to prove it, but he walks because the way the government obtained the evidence to prove guilt. This is how i see what happened in the Flynn case. 

 

Oh man, that's an excellent Kool-Aid take.  

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As if the law matters to those who dropped the case, not just the charges....

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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Trump dodged the coronavirus last month when meeting with the Brazilian foreign minister who tested positive.  Now that somebody in his living space has tested positive, how will that mess with his head?  To test positive he would likely have had it a few days at least.  He hadn’t been tested for at least a week previously.  The guy is likely asymptomatic.  As we now know, the disease starts shedding the most before symptoms show. So extrapolating, possibly for 3-4 days while getting trays of food or laying out clothes he may have touched many things before the president. 
  Maybe the president’s adderal snorting blocks the rona. We’ll find out in the next few days ahead.  

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9 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

They're setting up a massive fraud to help Trump.

 

 

 

 

This has me shaking.

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trump was so quick to take credit for the hard fought economic recovery obama pulled us out of from bush's massive subprime mortgage recession. now he owns the worst unemployment news since the great depression. 

 

you know its bad when even the fake news and the very good news outlets agree:

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/05/business/april-jobs-report-unemployment-rate/

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/jobs-data-to-show-epic-losses-and-soaring-unemployment

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On 5/6/2020 at 2:36 PM, audidave said:

Wait do we know that?  I believe he has threatened to sue all his former schools from releasing any information of that type. 
 

Can’t see his taxes. 
can’t see his grades. 
can’t see his P&L

Can’t see his Balance sheet. 

Can’t talk to any women that have signed NDAs

 

 

 

 

his father sent him off to military school. that we do know and really thats all anyone needs to know. its how the rich handle their troubled kids.

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11 minutes ago, Zyrokai said:

 

 

 

This has me shaking.

It's embarrassing how easy it was to skirt the veil of "checks and balances."  These appointments, especially the DOJ appointments, give the president enough power to do a lot of what he wants to do without having to answer to anyone.  As long as there aren't 60 people from the opposing party in the Senate, you can make some big steps towards cementing your autocracy.  Hopefully some fixes are in the works if the blue team is able to take out the orange mafia currently in the executive and judicial branches.

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13 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Oh man, that's an excellent Kool-Aid take.  

except that is how courts enforce evidentiary standards. You could be the most guilty person in the world, but you walk free when law enforcement does not conduct the investigation properly. The evidence becomes tainted. 

 

Not just Flynn, but this could throw all the Trump associates convictions into jeopardy if Flynn was responsible for providing evidence toward their convictions. 

 

Remember, this does not mean they did not commit the crime, only that because of the FBI mistake they cannot be legally convicted of it. but I dont always expect you to understand that nuance.

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so is he or isnt he throwing his family name brand in on the purchase of far right winger oann cable news network?

 

and of course, how much of the actual purchase money will be russian gangster backed? 90%? 99%? ha, we will never know.

 

anyway it seems they tried again, but so far the old man who owns it aint selling:

 

https://timesofsandiego.com/business/2020/05/05/donald-trump-jr-isnt-buying-san-diegos-oann-channels-ceo-says/

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/one-america-news-network/

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48 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

except that is how courts enforce evidentiary standards. You could be the most guilty person in the world, but you walk free when law enforcement does not conduct the investigation properly. The evidence becomes tainted. 

 

Not just Flynn, but this could throw all the Trump associates convictions into jeopardy if Flynn was responsible for providing evidence toward their convictions. 

 

Remember, this does not mean they did not commit the crime, only that because of the FBI mistake they cannot be legally convicted of it. but I dont always expect you to understand that nuance.

Nuance?!  What is wrong with 2 FBI agents to talk to Flynn?  How is that a mistake?  This is about counter-espionage.  FBI takes a major role since the CIA can’t and it has nothing to do with the criminal side of what you are looking at.  No its not a crime to lie about whether you had eggs for breakfast to the fbi. But in a counter espionage case, you lie and plead guilty that you lied, well you can’t just take that back.  There is no nuance. 

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Just now, audidave said:

Nuance?!  What is wrong with 2 FBI agents to talk to Flynn?  How is that a mistake?  This is about counter-espionage.  FBI takes a major role since the CIA can’t and it has nothing to do with the criminal side of what you are looking at.  No its not a crime to lie about whether you had eggs for breakfast to the fbi. But in a counter espionage case, you lie and plead guilty that you lied, well you can’t just take that back.  There is no nuance. 

Because they cannot do so in their official capacity unless their concerns meet a certain threshold, otherwise, the evidence gleaned is considered tainted and any new evidence that stems from that initial conversation is deemed tainted and therefore becomes inadmissible. If, as the justice department was saying, the FBI had no basis from the beginning to question Flynn, then whatever admission or evidence that was gleaned from those discussions is now invalid. It is very much procedural and process driven. 

It is why you have Miranda rights read to criminals every time they are arrested. It may seem silly, but it is a necessary part of the process. 

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12 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Because they cannot do so in their official capacity unless their concerns meet a certain threshold, otherwise, the evidence gleaned is considered tainted and any new evidence that stems from that initial conversation is deemed tainted and therefore becomes inadmissible. If, as the justice department was saying, the FBI had no basis from the beginning to question Flynn, then whatever admission or evidence that was gleaned from those discussions is now invalid. It is very much procedural and process driven. 

It is why you have Miranda rights read to criminals every time they are arrested. It may seem silly, but it is a necessary part of the process. 

Sorry but miranda goes out the window if you are being investigated for espionage. 
 Do you want the CIA questioning people instead in the USA?

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1 minute ago, audidave said:

Sorry but miranda goes out the window if you are being investigated for espionage. 

Miranda was just an example, it is not exactly the same thing.

 

Based on what the justice department was saying, "there was no basis for an investigation" into Flynn. Therefore, the "investigation" or even initial questioning of him was tainted as it did not meet the basic evidentiary standards. Therefore, even if the FBI's hunch was correct, that Flynn was involved in crimes or treason, any evidence that was gleaned after the initial contact is now considered tainted and not able to be used in the case. Flynn copped a plea based on that evidence. That is true. Flynn pretty much admitted he was guilty and there was evidence to show that he was in fact guilty. That is not in dispute. If the FBI was able to not break procedure to obtain this evidence, then I dont think you have the result you have. However, since the FBI opened the door to the investigation by improper means, even though those improper means may have been minor or insignificant, all other evidence obtained is considered tainted and must be discarded. Therefore, the fact he lied to the FBI may have been a crime, but with the FBI improperly initiating the investigation in the first place, he gets to walk. this is why tight processes and procedures are so important in law enforcement.

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Looks like Trump cancelled his visit to Camp David this weekend.   God is intervening in his golf plans, poor guy.  

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16 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Miranda was just an example, it is not exactly the same thing.

 

Based on what the justice department was saying, "there was no basis for an investigation" into Flynn. Therefore, the "investigation" or even initial questioning of him was tainted as it did not meet the basic evidentiary standards. Therefore, even if the FBI's hunch was correct, that Flynn was involved in crimes or treason, any evidence that was gleaned after the initial contact is now considered tainted and not able to be used in the case. Flynn copped a plea based on that evidence. That is true. Flynn pretty much admitted he was guilty and there was evidence to show that he was in fact guilty. That is not in dispute. If the FBI was able to not break procedure to obtain this evidence, then I dont think you have the result you have. However, since the FBI opened the door to the investigation by improper means, even though those improper means may have been minor or insignificant, all other evidence obtained is considered tainted and must be discarded. Therefore, the fact he lied to the FBI may have been a crime, but with the FBI improperly initiating the investigation in the first place, he gets to walk. this is why tight processes and procedures are so important in law enforcement.

You keep acting that this is a criminal investigation.  You are correct there is not enough evidence for them to investigate Flynn for anything criminal he did at that point.  They were investigating him for espionage because they felt he was compromised.  He could be blackmailed by the Russians is why they were investigating him.  The CIA is not allowed to interview him so the FBI does.  

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15 hours ago, KJP said:

As if the law matters to those who dropped the case, not just the charges....

 

 

Maybe a criminal lawyer can help with this, but the case against Flynn hasn't actually been dropped yet.  The Justice Department (Executive) just asked the judge (Judicial Branch) to drop the case, and the Judge has the final say about whether he'll allow it, is that correct?  

 

Flynn has already plead guilty two or three times in this case and reading the motion it looks like they're claiming that they just discovered new evidence that shows the FBI should never have been investigating and that's why they're dropping it now during the sentencing phase.  I'm not sure that adds up.  We'll see.  Trump can still issue a pardon after sentencing -- maybe there is some reason he doesn't want to do that?

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26 minutes ago, freefourur said:

^ the FBI has a criminal and counter intelligence division.  He doesn't seem to get it.

I don’t think trump knows that either. 

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16 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I dont think it is disputed that he was guilty. He pleaded guilty. That was not the issue. Based on what the DOJ appears to be saying is that he is free because the DOJ did not have the probable cause to engage in such investigation and thus the evidence gleaned by the inappropriate investigation is therefore tainted.  It is akin to a DEA agent breaking into a house without cause under false pretenses and finding illegal drug activity. He then gets the warrant and is able to charge an individual for a crime. Because his grounds for obtaining that warrant were not legal, the drug dealer walks free. In that case, the dealer is guilty, there was evidence to prove it, but he walks because the way the government obtained the evidence to prove guilt. This is how i see what happened in the Flynn case. 

 

Yeah, except that probable cause standard should have been fought at the appellate level... by Flynn's lawyers

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4 hours ago, taestell said:

How many adjectives do you think Trump knows? Good, bad, great, sad...any more?

 

Beautiful and perfect...both used to describe tests. 🤷‍♂️

 

Best...used to describe the taco bowls at Trump Tower.

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