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"After expressing his “dissatisfaction” with the alleged pedophilia at Shannon’s house, Whelan said he’s since been subject to “constant death threats.” He claims to have gone to the police but had his reports ignored."

 

Did he really think that the police were going to make a move against the owner of a doughnut shop?

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Forrest Clark, the man accused of starting the fire in Orange County that has now spread to over 10,000 acres, was an avid believer of crazy conspiracy theories including QAnon, Pizzagate, flat earth, etc. He is a member of a thing called the "Republic of the United States of America" which claims that our current government is invalid and elects their own shadow government. Fascinating Twitter thread here.

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Forrest Clark, the man accused of starting the fire in Orange County that has now spread to over 10,000 acres, was an avid believer of crazy conspiracy theories including QAnon, Pizzagate, flat earth, etc. He is a member of a thing called the "Republic of the United States of America" which claims that our current government is invalid and elects their own shadow government. Fascinating Twitter thread here.

 

I think it's a strange coincidence that this guys name is Forrest. Also that the Carr fire was caused by a car.

 

Strange days indeed.

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Forrest Clark, the man accused of starting the fire in Orange County that has now spread to over 10,000 acres, was an avid believer of crazy conspiracy theories including QAnon, Pizzagate, flat earth, etc. He is a member of a thing called the "Republic of the United States of America" which claims that our current government is invalid and elects their own shadow government. Fascinating Twitter thread here.

 

I think it's a strange coincidence that this guys name is Forrest. Also that the Carr fire was caused by a car.

 

Strange days indeed.

 

The Carr fire was started by George Soros.

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My mom is heavily into all of these conspiracy theories. Even the really-far-out-there ones. She really does believe them, too, without proof. It's also worth noting though, that she's diagnosed Bipolar and Schizophrenic... I'm starting to wonder if the online conspiracy community and Alex Jones' radio show functions as a support group for those with certain mental illnesses who are in denial about it.

 

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My mom is heavily into all of these conspiracy theories. Even the really-far-out-there ones. She really does believe them, too, without proof. It's also worth noting though, that she's diagnosed Bipolar and Schizophrenic... I'm starting to wonder if the online conspiracy community functions as a support group for those with certain mental illnesses.

 

I've heard that the conspiracy/alt-right peddlers specifically target those with depression or other mental health issues.  They usually follow mental health boards.  But maybe this is a conspiracy in itself.

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There's always going to be a population out there that is very gullible when it comes to stuff like that and unable to determine what's fact and what's fiction, possibly due to mental health issues, and that is exactly why these crazy conspiracy theorists need to be deplatformed.

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There's always going to be a population out there that is very gullible when it comes to stuff like that and unable to determine what's fact and what's fiction, possibly due to mental health issues, and that is exactly why these crazy conspiracy theorist need to be deplatformed.

 

Some prominent American politicians around our Founding believed Thomas Jefferson to be a hermaphrodite.

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There's always going to be a population out there that is very gullible when it comes to stuff like that and unable to determine what's fact and what's fiction, possibly due to mental health issues, and that is exactly why these crazy conspiracy theorists fake news peddlers need to be deplatformed.

 

Now, really I think calling for anyone to be "deplatformed" is a very dangerous proposition, but I do honestly believe we'll end up there if  liberals continue to spread this belief. As I said elsewhere, censorship always starts with the low hanging fruit. It never ends well.

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There's always going to be a population out there that is very gullible when it comes to stuff like that and unable to determine what's fact and what's fiction, possibly due to mental health issues, and that is exactly why these crazy conspiracy theorists fake news peddlers need to be deplatformed.

 

Now, really I think calling for anyone to be "deplatformed" is a very dangerous proposition, but I do honestly believe we'll end up there if  liberals continue to spread this belief. As I said elsewhere, censorship always starts with the low hanging fruit. It never ends well.

 

The government isn't censoring anybody.  Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, etc. (but not Twitter?) are simply enforcing their stated rules.  Everyone says they will abide by those rules when they sign up.  It is clearly stated when you make an account.  Violate those rules and you risk losing the privilege to be on that platform.  It's pretty simple.


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LOL! Do they even stop to think about what they are saying? Hillary conspired with Russia to hack her own emails so that Trump could win.

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There's always going to be a population out there that is very gullible when it comes to stuff like that and unable to determine what's fact and what's fiction, possibly due to mental health issues, and that is exactly why these crazy conspiracy theorists fake news peddlers need to be deplatformed.

 

Now, really I think calling for anyone to be "deplatformed" is a very dangerous proposition, but I do honestly believe we'll end up there if  liberals continue to spread this belief. As I said elsewhere, censorship always starts with the low hanging fruit. It never ends well.

 

The government isn't censoring anybody.  Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, etc. (but not Twitter?) are simply enforcing their stated rules.  Everyone says they will abide by those rules when they sign up.  It is clearly stated when you make an account.  Violate those rules and you risk losing the privilege to be on that platform.  It's pretty simple.

 

Maybe the Rs will figure out someday that privatizing everything isn't all it's cracked up to be.

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The government isn't censoring anybody.  Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, etc. (but not Twitter?) are simply enforcing their stated rules.  Everyone says they will abide by those rules when they sign up.  It is clearly stated when you make an account.  Violate those rules and you risk losing the privilege to be on that platform.  It's pretty simple.

 

That's a big straw man. I did not ever say nor imply the government is censoring anyone, because they aren't, yet - mainly because Republicans are in control at the moment.

 

My point here is that the "rules" these leftist Silicon Valley corporations write are increasingly becoming "don't have right wing political views." If you want to live in a world where left leaning and right leaving peoples are completely segregated, stay the course. I'll continue to support living in a world where people with different ideas, views, and opinions can openly share and discuss them amongst each other. I don't believe that trying to silence the "other side" is ever a good strategy, especially if you're trying to prove them wrong. It's essentially a forfeit.

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The government isn't censoring anybody.  Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, etc. (but not Twitter?) are simply enforcing their stated rules.  Everyone says they will abide by those rules when they sign up.  It is clearly stated when you make an account.  Violate those rules and you risk losing the privilege to be on that platform.  It's pretty simple.

 

That's a big straw man. I did not ever say nor imply the government is censoring anyone, because they aren't, yet - mainly because Republicans are in control at the moment.

 

My point here is that the "rules" these leftist Silicon Valley corporations write are increasingly becoming "don't have right wing political views." If you want to live in a world where left leaning and right leaving peoples are completely segregated, stay the course. I'll continue to support living in a world where people with different ideas, views, and opinions can openly share and discuss them amongst each other. I don't believe that trying to silence the "other side" is ever a good strategy, especially if you're trying to prove them wrong. It's essentially a forfeit.

 

When conservatives face consequences they are victims.  It's actually kinda sad how deep into victim culture they've become. 

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The government isn't censoring anybody.  Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, etc. (but not Twitter?) are simply enforcing their stated rules.  Everyone says they will abide by those rules when they sign up.  It is clearly stated when you make an account.  Violate those rules and you risk losing the privilege to be on that platform.  It's pretty simple.

 

That's a big straw man. I did not ever say nor imply the government is censoring anyone, because they aren't, yet - mainly because Republicans are in control at the moment.

 

My point here is that the "rules" these leftist Silicon Valley corporations write are increasingly becoming "don't have right wing political views." If you want to live in a world where left leaning and right leaving peoples are completely segregated, stay the course. I'll continue to support living in a world where people with different ideas, views, and opinions can openly share and discuss them amongst each other. I don't believe that trying to silence the "other side" is ever a good strategy, especially if you're trying to prove them wrong. It's essentially a forfeit.

 

That's because the "free thought" extremists on the Left are:

 

"CAPITALISM IS CORRUPT", "DONALD TRUMP IS A FASCIST NAZI!", "POLICE ARE PIGS", "F--- THE ELITISTS!"

 

whereas...

 

Extremists on the right are...

 

"THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED." "JEWS CONTROL THE WEATHER." "*comparison of a certain race to apes*" "THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO BE WHITE AGAIN."

 

 

 

 

 

.... While both groups are complete idiots, I hope you can see the difference.

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When the "other side" is trying to dehumanize people of color, there's only one responsible act. That's not the "other side." That's a dangerous fringe that seeks only to incite, not to inform, educate and discuss.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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The government isn't censoring anybody.  Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, etc. (but not Twitter?) are simply enforcing their stated rules.  Everyone says they will abide by those rules when they sign up.  It is clearly stated when you make an account.  Violate those rules and you risk losing the privilege to be on that platform.  It's pretty simple.

 

That's a big straw man. I did not ever say nor imply the government is censoring anyone, because they aren't, yet - mainly because Republicans are in control at the moment.

 

My point here is that the "rules" these leftist Silicon Valley corporations write are increasingly becoming "don't have right wing political views." If you want to live in a world where left leaning and right leaving peoples are completely segregated, stay the course. I'll continue to support living in a world where people with different ideas, views, and opinions can openly share and discuss them amongst each other. I don't believe that trying to silence the "other side" is ever a good strategy, especially if you're trying to prove them wrong. It's essentially a forfeit.

 

That's because the "free thought" extremists on the Left are:

 

"CAPITALISM IS CORRUPT", "DONALD TRUMP IS A FASCIST NAZI!", "POLICE ARE PIGS", "F--- THE ELITISTS!"

 

whereas...

 

Extremists on the right are...

 

"THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED." "JEWS CONTROL THE WEATHER." "*comparison of a certain race to apes*" "THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO BE WHITE AGAIN."

 

 

 

 

 

.... While both groups are complete idiots, I hope you can see the difference.

 

As someone who claims to be a moderate, common sense Republican, I hope you don't honestly believe that people who think "capitalism is corrupt" are "complete idiots."

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The government isn't censoring anybody.  Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, etc. (but not Twitter?) are simply enforcing their stated rules.  Everyone says they will abide by those rules when they sign up.  It is clearly stated when you make an account.  Violate those rules and you risk losing the privilege to be on that platform.  It's pretty simple.

 

That's a big straw man. I did not ever say nor imply the government is censoring anyone, because they aren't, yet - mainly because Republicans are in control at the moment.

 

My point here is that the "rules" these leftist Silicon Valley corporations write are increasingly becoming "don't have right wing political views." If you want to live in a world where left leaning and right leaving peoples are completely segregated, stay the course. I'll continue to support living in a world where people with different ideas, views, and opinions can openly share and discuss them amongst each other. I don't believe that trying to silence the "other side" is ever a good strategy, especially if you're trying to prove them wrong. It's essentially a forfeit.

 

Who has been "deplatformed" besides Alex Jones?

 

Your position: "We should allow ALL speech, including hate speech that harasses and terrorizes victims of brutal crimes."

 

The rest of us: "Yeah, that guy shouldn't get a platform."

 

That's all the "debate" over Jones is.  You're trying to make it something that it's not.  White nationalists like Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson are still allowed on all major platforms.


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As someone who claims to be a moderate, common sense Republican, I hope you don't honestly believe that people who think "capitalism is corrupt" are "complete idiots."

 

Capitalism isn't corrupt though, it can't be, it's merely an economic system. People are corrupt. People corrupt economic systems, charities, the Olympics, elections, etc.

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As someone who claims to be a moderate, common sense Republican, I hope you don't honestly believe that people who think "capitalism is corrupt" are "complete idiots."

 

I do. I wholly stand by that comment. Humans are corrupt. Capitalism, socialism, communism all can fail because of the human condition. Without independent human emotion, corruption, etc. each system would theoretically flourish.

 

There's nothing inherently corrupt about capitalism. It's human excess that corrupts it.

 

You'll also note that I don't believe socialism and communism are corrupt at their most fundamental level as well. However, based on the human condition and the desire for upward mobilization, I believe capitalism gives the largest amounts of humans the chance to flourish. Does it need checks and regulation? Hell yeah. Is the capitalism corrupt in a vacuum? Nah.

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I hear right-leaning people make arguments that socialism is bad because of human nature (the tendency to be lazy if you're going to get your handout anyway). By the same argument, left-leaning people can say that capitalism is bad because of human nature (greed causing an rapid acceleration in income equality to the point that the whole system falls apart). I don't really buy the argument that the system itself is blameless and it's only the individual people that are to blame. The whole point of an economic system is that real people have to use it. If an economic system only works in theory but falls apart when actual humans start to use it, it's not a good economic system.

 

Anyway, this is probably better suited for a different thread.

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As someone who claims to be a moderate, common sense Republican, I hope you don't honestly believe that people who think "capitalism is corrupt" are "complete idiots."

 

I do. I wholly stand by that comment. Humans are corrupt. Capitalism, socialism, communism all can fail because of the human condition. Without independent human emotion, corruption, etc. each system would theoretically flourish.

 

There's nothing inherently corrupt about capitalism. It's human excess that corrupts it.

 

You'll also note that I don't believe socialism and communism are corrupt at their most fundamental level as well. However, based on the human condition and the desire for upward mobilization, I believe capitalism gives the largest amounts of humans the chance to flourish. Does it need checks and regulation? Hell yeah. Is the capitalism corrupt in a vacuum? Nah.

 

Why not just use the principle of charity and take "capitalism is corrupt" to be shorthand for something like "human excess inevitably corrupts capitalism?" Then the disagreement is not one of attributing moral status to an abstract system, but on which system gives the largest amount of humans a chance to flourish.

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I hear right-leaning people make arguments that socialism is bad because of human nature (the tendency to be lazy if you're going to get your handout anyway). By the same argument, left-leaning people can say that capitalism is bad because of human nature (greed causing an rapid acceleration in income equality to the point that the whole system falls apart). I don't really buy the argument that the system itself is blameless and it's only the individual people that are to blame. The whole point of an economic system is that real people have to use it. If an economic system only works in theory but falls apart when actual humans start to use it, it's not a good economic system.

Anyway, this is probably better suited for a different thread.

 

My entire gripe with socialism as a foundation of an economy.

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I hear right-leaning people make arguments that socialism is bad because of human nature (the tendency to be lazy if you're going to get your handout anyway). By the same argument, left-leaning people can say that capitalism is bad because of human nature (greed causing an rapid acceleration in income equality to the point that the whole system falls apart). I don't really buy the argument that the system itself is blameless and it's only the individual people that are to blame. The whole point of an economic system is that real people have to use it. If an economic system only works in theory but falls apart when actual humans start to use it, it's not a good economic system.

Anyway, this is probably better suited for a different thread.

 

My entire gripe with socialism as a foundation of an economy.

 

This is why blended economies work the best.  The debate is always is always about the degree that the economy is blended.  But everyone frames the debate as capitalism vs. socialism.

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The people who invented capitalism admitted it's only a theory and couldn't possibly work as described.  They never pretended otherwise.  Any "economic system" that assumes infinite real estate is nothing more than a thought experiment.  Yeah, it sounds great if any random yahoo can go plant his flag on some sunny meadow and start producing grain at the exact same scale as everyone else.  In theory.

 

Socialism and capitalism are two sides of the same coin, mutually necessary and individually incomplete.

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Why not just use the principle of charity and take "capitalism is corrupt" to be shorthand for something like "human excess inevitably corrupts capitalism?" Then the disagreement is not one of attributing moral status to an abstract system, but on which system gives the largest amount of humans a chance to flourish.

 

My problem isn't that I think you're at all wrong, it's simply the matter of good communication. Saying a system is corrupt is not a good starting point for dialogue. Like me saying "charities are corrupt" isn't false, it's just overbroad to the point of being a useless statement.

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Socialism and capitalism are two sides of the same coin, mutually necessary and individually incomplete.

 

You can live a social-communal lifestyle in a capitalist system. I'm not sure the inverse is true, at least legally, but I could be wrong.

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Socialism and capitalism are two sides of the same coin, mutually necessary and individually incomplete.

 

You can live a social-communal lifestyle in a capitalist system.

 

Only if that's what you choose to do with your inheritance.  Three vagrants arguing how to split a sandwich do not constitute a commune.

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Seems like a test. A poke, or a prod - if you will. Infowars is the low hanging fruit. The first step was to shut down their access to social media. The current test is an all out shutdown of their ability to upload/publish information online. Whether that be direct censorship (hosts and/or infrastructure providers refusing to transmit their data) or indirect (coordinated DDOS attacks) the result is the same. Social media influencers of certain political ideologies are being silenced. If Infowars is removed from the internet, expect the NRA to be next. Followed by Fox News. The GOP's website will follow soon thereafter. Before long you'll only be able to access Google and/or Facebook approved information online.

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The government isn't censoring anybody.  Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, etc. (but not Twitter?) are simply enforcing their stated rules.  Everyone says they will abide by those rules when they sign up.  It is clearly stated when you make an account.  Violate those rules and you risk losing the privilege to be on that platform.  It's pretty simple.

 

That's a big straw man. I did not ever say nor imply the government is censoring anyone, because they aren't, yet - mainly because Republicans are in control at the moment.

 

My point here is that the "rules" these leftist Silicon Valley corporations write are increasingly becoming "don't have right wing political views." If you want to live in a world where left leaning and right leaving peoples are completely segregated, stay the course. I'll continue to support living in a world where people with different ideas, views, and opinions can openly share and discuss them amongst each other. I don't believe that trying to silence the "other side" is ever a good strategy, especially if you're trying to prove them wrong. It's essentially a forfeit.

 

Who has been "deplatformed" besides Alex Jones?

 

Your position: "We should allow ALL speech, including hate speech that harasses and terrorizes victims of brutal crimes."

 

The rest of us: "Yeah, that guy shouldn't get a platform."

 

That's all the "debate" over Jones is.  You're trying to make it something that it's not.  White nationalists like Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson are still allowed on all major platforms.

 

Do you want to acknowledge this or are you just interested in playing a bulls*** Conservative victim card?


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It's amazing how many of these crazy conspiracy theories could go in this thread or the Republican Party thread.....

 

This is from the vice chair of the Montgomery County (Dayton, OH area) GOP...

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This is a legitimate call to arms. Alex Jones telling people to get their weapons and block the left from taking office by attacking them. If somebody is hurt or dies as a result of this, Twitter is a conduit. This is insanity.

 

On Periscope, which is owned by Twitter, Alex Jones tells supporters to get their “battle rifles” ready against antifa, the mainstream media, and “Chicom operatives”

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/08/14/pericope-alex-jones-tells-supporters-get-their-battle-rifles-ready-against-antifa-mainstream-media/220995


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