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When do you all estimate we start to see steel rise?

 

I hope soon.  We've got a rental unit just across the intersection that we need new a new tenant for in the Summer.  I'd be a nice selling point to see more than just a pit there.


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They are putting in work on this.  Good to see considering they pretty much delayed/cancelled 4th and Race for this.  Also that last picture shows what a waste of real estate the salvation army is.  On a prime spot right on Central Pkwy and they have a two story building plus parking lots taking up almost the entire half block. 

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^Just curious here, would people be opposed to the Davis Furniture building coming down if someone managed to assemble that entire parcel and had an actual plan other than Joseph-ing it for more parking spaces?


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^Just curious here, would people be opposed to the Davis Furniture building coming down if someone managed to assemble that entire parcel and had an actual plan other than Joseph-ing it for more parking spaces?

 

The general consensus from most people I've talked to is that they'd be okay with the Davis Furniture building coming down if that entire block (including the Salvation Army building and two large surface parking lots) were redeveloped as part of some large new development. The opposition to demolishing the Davis was mostly due to the fact that Stough Group wanted to make it into a parking lot for their Hanke Exchange development across the street.

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There is a parking garage and a sea of surface lots right behind the Hanke building.  Not to mention street parking on Main.  Why in the world would they need parking across the street from them? 

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I have to imagine is that most people who visit/work in OTR/CBD are still mostly tourists. They all live up in the suburbs still. Cincinnati is still not considered a desirable place to live compared to the suburbs, yet, at least. An, the city is still not seen as a glamours place like Chicago/NYC/LA/Miami, it's just considered, simply, "downtown"

 

It will eventually change though as OTR continues to gentrify/the cbd continues to see more positive development like the kroger. The biggest shift will be this generation who are currently in middle school/highschool. This gen y group is very tired of the suburbs.

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Because Cincinnatians will never miss an opportunity to freak out about parking.

 

I got in an argument with someone else on a different website about this. He was saying that the type of people who frequent Rhinegeist have "no problem walking 1.75 miles from Rhinegeist to GABP" and couldn't accept the fact that if this was true, most everyone in the CBD would just park at the Banks and we wouldn't be building all these additional garages all over OTR and elsewhere. Never mind the fact that "the type of people who frequent Rhinegeist" probably would Uber to Vine Street rather than walk, even in broad daylight.


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^Just curious here, would people be opposed to the Davis Furniture building coming down if someone managed to assemble that entire parcel and had an actual plan other than Joseph-ing it for more parking spaces?

 

I would be. In fact I think the main value of the Davis building is setting the (fine) granularity of that block. Granularity may sound like a a nerd-term but it is why OTR feels more vibrant than the CBD and why OTR attracts more entrepreneurs and small developers. It is also what makes the coursely-grained CBD fragile and brittle to huge dead spots when a building goes vacant or otherwise fails to create activity with a variety of uses. https://cincinnatiideas.com/2017/02/07/historic-preservation-a-link-to-a-different-kind-of-economy/


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probably would Uber to Vine Street rather than walk, even in broad daylight.

 

They do.  People take Uber from Rhinegeist to Taft's and vice-verse, despite the existence of a streetcar that directly connects the two. 

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This conversation probably belongs in the streetcar thread, but the city should really post giant signs at each stop that say something to the effect of “Why Uber when you can get to X, Y, and Z bar for $1?”


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^ I've taken Uber from destinations on the streetcar route when in groups of ~4 because a the cost of the Uber ride is comparable to streetcar tickets. If we followed KC's model and just made it free, people would have no excuse not to take the streetcar instead, and most would. I'd normally take the streetcar and bring everyone along, but that's just because I actively want to ride the streetcar because it's more comfortable and enjoyable than being in some random person's car.

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The Hanke building has a direct entrance from the A&D garage, however due to agreements with the courthouse, Job & Family Services, and county administration, it's very hard to get in.  Daily parking is used up by 8:30 am at the latest and it doesn't usually free up until after lunch, plus monthly slots are next to impossible to obtain.  The real crime is that it's a complete ghost town after 5:00 pm, and the sea of ugly parking lots between Sycamore and Broadway kill the connection between OTR proper and Pendleton. 

 

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to losing Davis for a singular building, though I think an easier sell would be a 7+ story block facing Central Parkway and something just a bit smaller behind.  Even Emory doesn't go all the way to 12th. 

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This conversation probably belongs in the streetcar thread, but the city should really post giant signs at each stop that say something to the effect of Why Uber when you can get to X, Y, and Z bar for $1?

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Uber can get you there quicker.

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Uber can get you there quicker.

 

Once you're in the car, perhaps.  But the car often takes 10 minutes to get to a location, even downtown.  A car merely on the other side of the same block can catch two red lights, then there can be confusion over which car is the car.  Or the people request the ride but then refuse to come out and get in the damn thing. 

 

Also, in Cranleyworld, an uber can trip a red light to turn green, but not the streetcar. 

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Kroger CEO updates downtown store progress

By Steve Watkins  – Staff Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

47 minutes ago

 

Kroger Co. CEO Rodney McMullen already has a few plans for the company’s new downtown store when it opens.

 

“The thing I think will be so cool about it is it’ll be nice to have a store right next to where your office is,” McMullen said after Kroger’s (NYSE: KR) annual shareholders meeting on Thursday. “You can test stuff from it. I’m sure the store director there may get more help than he or she wants.”

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/06/28/kroger-ceo-updates-downtown-store-progress.html

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I wonder who owns that adjacent lot across from the new Kroger tower with the Charlie’s Harper mural. Would love to see that one get redeveloped at some point as well.

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I wonder who owns that adjacent lot across from the new Kroger tower with the Charlie’s Harper mural. Would love to see that one get redeveloped at some point as well.

 

Looks like it is big enough for the 3CDC special (retail, garage, apartment tower).  I'd assume they're already trying to get it. 

 

Interesting article I found regarding that location:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/blog/2013/04/downtown-developer-sells-walnut-street.html

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The fact that what isn't a landmark? All of Court St? There is a Court St. historic district, which is why 3CDC had to get approval from the HCB before renovating the structures on the northside of Court.

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Agree. The City Flea would be great there. It would at least give the grass at Washington Park some much needed time to recuperate.

 

Another thing is that City Flea type events can be great ways to entice people into a revitalizing area. The fact that it has stayed in Washington Park so long shows that they are not interested in using it as an opportunity to catalyze interest in other parts of the core, like Court Street, where the demand drivers are needed to spark interest and momentum.


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-Friedrich Nietzsche

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