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On 7/11/2019 at 10:24 PM, jmecklenborg said:

The California High Speed Rail tracks to Anaheim are planned to run directly behind the building.  Like, stick your arm out the window and the train takes off your fingers. 

 

The hyperloop is never, ever going to exist.  This is all a money laundering/Theranos type scam.  A wolf in Tech's clothing. 

 

I would agree -- the technical problems and construction expense has to be ridiculous.  But I do fear that all this hype and investment will lead to someone actually trying and blowing a few billion on the project.  That money would be far, far better spent on building some high speed rail like 20+ other countries have already done. 

 

What if we get Musk to dig Cleveland a nice "hyperloop" tunnel that we can turn into an actual subway system?

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12 hours ago, Foraker said:

What if we get Musk to dig Cleveland a nice "hyperloop" tunnel that we can turn into an actual subway system?

 

Musk only digs tunnels for single use cars.

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India approves Mumbai-Pune hyperloop in bid to build world's first system

 

https://www.dezeen.com/2019/08/07/mumbai-pune-hyperloop-virgin-maharashtra-india/

 

The government of the Indian state of Maharashtra has approved Virgin Hyperloop One's plans to develop a high-speed line between Mumbai and Pune, which could become the world's first hyperloop.

 

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http://www.forbesindia.com/article/special/mumbaipune-hyperloop-moves-closer-to-reality/54629/1

 

Travel in Maharashtra between Pune and Mumbai, about 120 km, could come down to 35 minutes by 2026 if all goes well with the Hyperloop project proposed to connect the two cities. That is a step closer now, after the Maharashtra state cabinet approved the public-infrastructure status of the project on July 30, clearing the way for a bidding process to select the private companies to build the super-fast transit system.

 

 

 

 

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How about USA’a first?

 

If you thought traveling by Hyperloop to Chicago in 28 minutes was fast, how about Pittsburgh in 9?

 

Posted: 4:29 PM, Aug 08, 2019 

Updated: 6:08 PM, Aug 08, 2019

 

CLEVELAND — The results of the Hyperloop feasibility study started 18 months ago won't be released until this fall, but those behind the $1.2 million study tell News 5 the results are very promising. As a result, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (HTT) and the Northern Ohio Coordinating Agency (NOACA) announced Thursday that the plans for the initial phase, which stretched from Chicago to Cleveland, will continue east to now reach Pittsburgh.

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/originals/if-you-thought-traveling-by-hyperloop-to-chicago-in-28-minutes-was-fast-how-about-pittsburgh-in-9

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42 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

How about USA’a first?

 

If you thought traveling by Hyperloop to Chicago in 28 minutes was fast, how about Pittsburgh in 9?

 

Posted: 4:29 PM, Aug 08, 2019 

Updated: 6:08 PM, Aug 08, 2019

 

CLEVELAND — The results of the Hyperloop feasibility study started 18 months ago won't be released until this fall, but those behind the $1.2 million study tell News 5 the results are very promising. As a result, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (HTT) and the Northern Ohio Coordinating Agency (NOACA) announced Thursday that the plans for the initial phase, which stretched from Chicago to Cleveland, will continue east to now reach Pittsburgh.

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/originals/if-you-thought-traveling-by-hyperloop-to-chicago-in-28-minutes-was-fast-how-about-pittsburgh-in-9

 

 

Creates more energy than it uses?  Seriously, how dumb are these TV people?

 

 

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5 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

 

Creates more energy than it uses?  Seriously, how dumb are these TV people?

 

 

 

That's the marketing guy.   The TV people couldn't be expected to call him on it though.  Physics 101 may not be in the curriculum at acting school.

 

I'd be curious as to what his logic is.   Of course it's impossible, but some factoids had to be involved in the compilation of that statement.

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On 7/31/2019 at 9:58 AM, DarkandStormy said:

 

Musk only digs tunnels for single use cars.

 

Single occupancy.  (Well, 2-5 maybe).

 

That's his objective (I can certainly understand why), but the current proposal basically involves buses.

 

Local subway system?  Probably not.   Getting to 700 mph and back down involves some serious acceleration and deceleration. 

 

That's 1,027 feet/sec, so it would coincidentally take about 32 seconds to get there at 1G.

 

Distance would be ½at², so 0.5*32*32*32 = 16,384 feet.   Or 3.1 miles.   Same distance to slow down.

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On 8/9/2019 at 1:04 AM, MuRrAy HiLL said:

How about USA’a first?

 

If you thought traveling by Hyperloop to Chicago in 28 minutes was fast, how about Pittsburgh in 9?

 

Posted: 4:29 PM, Aug 08, 2019 

Updated: 6:08 PM, Aug 08, 2019

 

CLEVELAND — The results of the Hyperloop feasibility study started 18 months ago won't be released until this fall, but those behind the $1.2 million study tell News 5 the results are very promising. As a result, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (HTT) and the Northern Ohio Coordinating Agency (NOACA) announced Thursday that the plans for the initial phase, which stretched from Chicago to Cleveland, will continue east to now reach Pittsburgh.

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/originals/if-you-thought-traveling-by-hyperloop-to-chicago-in-28-minutes-was-fast-how-about-pittsburgh-in-9

 

First time post, long-time lurker.

 

Prior press indicated the feasibility study was supposed to wrap up around now, so I looked around for some updated information - looks like the push for Pittsburgh comes from a 100k contribution from Pittsburgh interests via the Richard King Mellon Foundation:

 

https://www.noaca.org/home/showdocument?id=24149

 

Another NOACA document indicates that there was a resolution to add the Ohio Turnpike and Infrastructure Commission (who had already contributed 100k of funding) as an ex-officio board member:

 

https://www.noaca.org/home/showdocument?id=24151

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Looks like there are some informational meetings being held in Sandusky and Youngstown.

 

NOACA to discuss Hyperloop study in Sandusky

Posted: 5:45 PM, Oct 10, 2019

 

Northeast Ohio Areawide Coordinating Agency (NOACA) in partnership with the Erie County of Regional Governments will host a public meeting at 2 p.m., Oct. 22, in Sandusky to discuss the Great Lakes Hyperloop System feasibility study, according to a news release. 

The meeting will take place at the Erie County Downtown Commissioners Chambers, 247 Columbus Ave.

 

https://www.morningjournal.com/news/lorain-county/noaca-to-discuss-hyperloop-study-in-sandusky/article_7d8617a6-e5e5-11e9-99e4-534a8bbab239.html

 

‘Hyperloop’ tech could transform Great Lakes region

Posted: Sep 27, 2019

 

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A public meeting is scheduled 10 to 11:30 a.m. Oct. 7 at Eastgate, on the 10th floor of 100 E Federal St., to share information and gauge public support about the project.

 

https://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2019/09/hyperloop-tech-could-transform-great-lakes-region/

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2 hours ago, surfohio said:

^ it would be fun to be working in downtown CLE and order an authentic Chicago deep dish pizza for delivery. 

 

The sad/awesome thing is that depending on the last mile infrastructure on either end, you could get Chicago deep dish pizza faster from Chicago than from Giordano's Pizza's outposts in Columbus or Canton.

Speaking of last mile connections, I am curious how this type of transportation would possibly tie in to something like a lakefront multi-modal transportation center vs less thoughtful routing.

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17 hours ago, infrafreak said:

Speaking of last mile connections, I am curious how this type of transportation would possibly tie in to something like a lakefront multi-modal transportation center vs less thoughtful routing.

I was actually wondering about the same thing. 

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17 hours ago, infrafreak said:

 

The sad/awesome thing is that depending on the last mile infrastructure on either end, you could get Chicago deep dish pizza faster from Chicago than from Giordano's Pizza's outposts in Columbus or Canton.

Speaking of last mile connections, I am curious how this type of transportation would possibly tie in to something like a lakefront multi-modal transportation center vs less thoughtful routing.

 

Spend 9 minutes from Pittsburgh to the desolate CLE lakefront (in terms of destinations) then spend twice that amount of time walking to your final destination downtown.  if the hyperloop is really going to happen it should have a station at public square or E9 and Euclid, not someplace remote like the proposed station near or at the current amtrak station.

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4 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

Spend 9 minutes from Pittsburgh to the desolate CLE lakefront (in terms of destinations) then spend twice that amount of time walking to your final destination downtown.  if the hyperloop is really going to happen it should have a station at public square or E9 and Euclid, not someplace remote like the proposed station near or at the current amtrak station.

 

I went to look for the route alternatives they previously had released to see if there were multiple station alternatives or just long-haul differences, and came across this update from September 27:

 

Great Lakes Hyperloop: Status Update

Community Advisory Council

https://www.noaca.org/home/showdocument?id=24277

 

The site reconnaissance/preliminary route analysis section shows two Cleveland area stops: "Cleveland Downtown" and "Cleveland Hopkins Airport".

 

It also shows:

  • Chicago Downtown
  • South Bend, IN
  • Toledo Airport
  • Youngstown
  • Pittsburgh

 

It mentions a second route analysis for Pittsburgh airport as well with the feasibility study to look at station analysis for Pittsburgh, Chicago, and Cleveland.

A later section also mentions a second Chicago Midway Airport station.

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On 10/5/2019 at 3:01 PM, infrafreak said:

Looks like there are some informational meetings being held in Sandusky and Youngstown.

 

https://www.vindy.com/news/local-news/2019/10/hyperloop-plan-could-hype-the-valley-economy/


Evidently the Youngstown meeting only yielded 4 attendees. But according to the article, NOACA has completed the feasibility study and is pursuing an additional $1.5 million to fund mapping of routes.

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Hyperloop Efforts Continue, but Don’t Count Out Passenger Rail Yet

 

The idea of connecting Columbus to Chicago and Pittsburgh with a new, super-fast, tube-based form of transportation has received a lot of attention in the last few years.

 

The Hyperloop test pod made several appearances around Ohio last summer, delegations of local officials have flown out to Nevada to check out a desert test track for the technology, and Virgin Hyperloop One CEO Jay Walder recently travelled around the country looking to drum up support for the idea from political and business leaders.

 

With all the interest and coverage of the Hyperloop concept, it can be easy to forget that a proposal to build a passenger rail network along the same corridor is also being studied, and is, in fact, farther along in the planning process than its more futuristic counterpart.

 

Thea Walsh, director of transportation & infrastructure development for the Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission (MORPC), recently spoke to CU about the current status of the project, now officially known as the Rapid Speed Transportation Initiative (RSTI).

 

More below:

https://www.columbusunderground.com/hyperloop-efforts-continue-but-dont-count-out-passenger-rail-yet-bw1

 

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The Chicago-Columbus passenger rail line has been talked about for almost 10 years.  I thought there was an update on funding awhile back?

 

Anyway, Hyperloop still doesn't exist.


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^ We’re also getting closer to the heat-death of the universe. Neither are going to happen in our lifetimes, nor the next generation’s. 

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Sting, singing on the roof of the Barbican

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"The study predicts an employment growth in the region of as many as 900,000 jobs, a property value increase of $74.8 billion, increased income of $47.6 billion and a dramatically increased tax base."

 

The only number that really matters is "The $1.2 million study was a shared venture between Hyperloop TT and NOACA, The Northeast Ohio Areawide Coordinating Agency."

 

Not much different than a megachurch preying on its desperate base.

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8 hours ago, TBideon said:

"The study predicts an employment growth in the region of as many as 900,000 jobs, a property value increase of $74.8 billion, increased income of $47.6 billion and a dramatically increased tax base."


whoa! That’s almost like a bajillion!

 

The only real math in these reports, is taking the miles between cities, dividing by an arbitrary guesstimated “speed” of the hypothetical hyperloop and coming up with the number of minutes it would take for something (anything) traveling at that speed to travel that distance. Like everyone does on a road trip in a car. Throw in computer renderings and collect the check

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, simplythis said:

 

11 hours ago, simplythis said:

 

These stories contain literally nothing about the feasibility of Hyperloop to actually exist as its founders keep portraying.  What is the longest distance a Hyperloop car/vehicle has traveled at the speeds they keep claiming?

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2 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

 

These stories contain literally nothing about the feasibility of Hyperloop to actually exist as its founders keep portraying.  What is the longest distance a Hyperloop car/vehicle has traveled at the speeds they keep claiming?

 

It hasn't achieved subsonic speed for even an instant.  And none of the tests have carried test passengers.  

 

They haven't designed switch tracks, passing sidings, passenger loading/unloading.  This whole thing is a big joke.  

 

 

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Not much new information on the pipe dream project study. I didn't recall from the study announcement that the Ohio Turnpike and Infrastructure Commission chipped in some funds. I have very low confidence in something like this ever getting built, but an alignment along (on top of?) the turnpike makes the most sense I guess. 

 

Hyperloop study shows potential for big economic gains, fast travel from Cleveland to Chicago

Steven Litt - Nov. 18, 2019 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/11/hyperloop-study-shows-potential-for-big-economic-gains-fast-travel-from-cleveland-to-chicago.html

 

"Transit-oriented development around hyperloop stations would produce $75 billion in increased property values, with $15 billion in Cleveland within a 20-block radius around a station. ... The Richard K. Mellon Foundation of Pittsburgh added $100,000 to the Cleveland-Chicago study to make sure Pittsburgh was included, Gallucci said. NOACA and HTT split the initial $1.2 million cost of the analysis."

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On 11/19/2019 at 12:04 PM, jmecklenborg said:

 

It hasn't achieved subsonic speed for even an instant.  And none of the tests have carried test passengers.  

 

They haven't designed switch tracks, passing sidings, passenger loading/unloading.  This whole thing is a big joke.  

 

 

 

On 10/28/2019 at 11:54 PM, jmecklenborg said:

^Scam. 

 

On 11/18/2019 at 6:49 PM, jmecklenborg said:

 

"It's definitely something that can be done".  

 

No, it isn't.  

 

On 10/12/2019 at 2:02 AM, jmecklenborg said:

Jesus.  What a complete joke. 

 

I'm betting I can find sentiments like this in the newspapers of 1900-1902 regarding heavier-than-air flight.  Probably even from 1903 and later, too, from people who didn't think the Wright Brothers had actually pulled it off (and, most likely, somewhat ironically, were probably pushing to stop wasting time and attention on this pipe dream and just focus on building railroads--how far we've come in 120 years).

 

No one had orbited the Earth until someone did, either.

 

The question isn't whether it has been done yet.  The question is what it would take to actually do it, regardless of whether it has been done before.  It's fair to say that it's a long time yet in the future, as the CU article that @infrafreak posted noted: "All that uncertainty adds up to an estimated timeline for actually building a Hyperloop that is pretty far out in the future. Walsh told the Dublin City Council that work could start on a certification track in 2023 or 2024. As for the eventual completion of a Hyperloop system along the Chicago to Pittsburgh corridor, 'We’d be looking more 2040s, 2050s,' she said."  I share the reservations of many that it would be a very sensitive and fragile system.  But I might have been saying the same thing in 1905 about flying in a giant box or tube held up by fans pulling a passenger cabin along with thousands of gallons of flammable liquid through the sky.

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41 minutes ago, Gramarye said:

I'm betting I can find sentiments like this in the newspapers of 1900-1902 regarding heavier-than-air flight.  Probably even from 1903 and later, too, from people who didn't think the Wright Brothers had actually pulled it off (and, most likely, somewhat ironically, were probably pushing to stop wasting time and attention on this pipe dream and just focus on building railroads--how far we've come in 120 years).

 

You can also find pneumatic rail designs from the 19th century.  Not all ideas successfully come to fruition. Some have fundamental flaws that make them impractical ... even if the theory works.

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Aerodynamic lift is actually a very simple concept-- just the calculations and propulsion method had to be sorted out. That's how birds and insects mastered it and how every single person over the age of 7 can make a paper airplane.

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