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Seoul has a similar system where you can drop your bags and get your boarding pass in the city, then get on a bus that takes you to the airport.

 

I believe Hong Kong allows you to go through security downtown and then get on a train that takes you to the airport’s secure area.

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High speed train so you can get to the airport sooner, then spend 30 minutes waiting in line for the TSA and dealing with flight delays.

 

It might actually be worthwhile if you could go through security and drop your bags in Downtown Chicago and then the train drops you off inside the secure area at O’Hare.

 

 

Also, there is a Metra line that serves O'Hare, but it drops off passengers in the long-term parking area.  You have to take a shuttle bus or the rail shuttle into the airport.  Meanwhile the blue line stop is a subway station right in the center of the main terminal cluster.  So you are many minutes closer to the security line if you take the blue line as opposed to Metra commuter rail. 

 

To be competitive with the existing Blue Line, Musk's tunnel needs to have a station more or less adjacent to the existing underground blue line tunnel.  The rendering provided by his paper company was somewhere out in the parking lot.  So yeah his "skates" might get to airport property faster than the existing blue line trains, but its passengers might barely beat it.

 

Let's hope that Musk's tiny tunnels can be converted to some sort of narrow gauge light rail after he defaults and the City of Chicago buys the tunnels off of him for $1.  The CTA has had plans to extend the blue line past O'Hare out into the suburbs.  If the airport express were built, it would make a ton of sense as an express bypass for those suburbs. 

 

 

 

 

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Seoul has a similar system where you can drop your bags and get your boarding pass in the city, then get on a bus that takes you to the airport.

 

NYC used to have exactly that. The Eastside and Westside Airline Terminals let you check in, drop your bags, ride a bus to the airport, and proceed directly to your gate.

 

On the subject of hyperloop, a Financial Times article today on the Chicago project hinted in passing that hyperloop has been moved to the back burner.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/24487aa2-6fa4-11e8-92d3-6c13e5c92914


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Hopefully the attachment works. 

 

It has been pointed out that this bored tunnel will irrationally follow the street grid instead of simply traveling in a straight line between DT Chicago and O'Hare.  So not only is length being added to the run...there will have to be multiple curves.  So this has raised the supicion that they're nervous about boring directly beneath homes and then getting sued when basements crack.  Well what happens the same thing happens under a public street?  Musk will find a way to saddle Chicago with the costs. 

 

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Firms with local smart-city offices picked for Hyperloop One feasibility study on Chicago-Columbus-Pittsburgh route

 

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International engineering firms with Columbus satellites will lead feasibility and environmental impact studies for a proposed Virgin Hyperloop One route that would traverse Ohio, turning at the capital city on the way from Chicago to Pittsburgh.

 

The Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission said AECOM and WSP Global Inc. would be the lead consultants. The amount of the contract was not immediately announced, but MORPC earlier said the studies of the ultra-high-speed transportation mode would make up half of a $2.5 million Rapid-Speed Transportation Initiative, which will also look at high-speed passenger rail.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/06/20/firms-with-local-smart-city-offices-picked-for.html


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Firms with local smart-city offices picked for Hyperloop One feasibility study on Chicago-Columbus-Pittsburgh route

 

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International engineering firms with Columbus satellites will lead feasibility and environmental impact studies for a proposed Virgin Hyperloop One route that would traverse Ohio, turning at the capital city on the way from Chicago to Pittsburgh.

 

The Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission said AECOM and WSP Global Inc. would be the lead consultants. The amount of the contract was not immediately announced, but MORPC earlier said the studies of the ultra-high-speed transportation mode would make up half of a $2.5 million Rapid-Speed Transportation Initiative, which will also look at high-speed passenger rail.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/06/20/firms-with-local-smart-city-offices-picked-for.html

 

Interesting, Branson is looking at Chicago to Columbus, Musk at Chicago to Cleveland, and Musk already has an in in Chicago.

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No, the Chicago project is not a vacuum tube.  It's just the "...Loop".  From O'Hare to the Loop via the Loop.  It needs to be a vacuum tube to be a HYPERloop. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DUH!

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More for Jake :)

 

Hyperloop One exec: 'I would bet on Columbus' getting one of first routes built

 

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The proposed Midwest hyperloop route through Columbus is the most advanced of the five in the U.S. vying to attract Virgin Hyperloop One to build the ultra-high-speed new mode of transportation, a top executive said, because it took a "smart government" approach to complete an environmental impact study at the same time as a feasibility study.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/06/20/hyperloop-one-exec-i-would-bet-on-columbus.html


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Why does Columbus have to put up with this crap instead of building real economic-development-improving, city-fixing rail? There's always some damn distraction such as the '80s monorail plan or car sharing (didn't make it because it's private and has to maximize the wealth of the shareholders) being used as an excuse to not do the REAL thing.

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Why does Columbus have to put up with this crap instead of building real economic-development-improving, city-fixing rail? There's always some damn distraction such as the '80s monorail plan or car sharing (didn't make it because it's private and has to maximize the wealth of the shareholders) being used as an excuse to not do the REAL thing.

 

Don't feel bad.  This isn't a Columbus only thing.  Cleveland is good at this too. 

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I know it happens lots of places and has happened many times over the past 100+ years ("canals mean we don't need trains!") But Columbus might as well have three heads by this point in lacking rail.

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Why hyperloop will be more like Lyft than Amtrak – and why that's exciting for cities like Whitehall along the route

 

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Hyperloop technology doesn't stop at mechanisms of propulsion – the idea is to revolutionize trip-planning and ticketing to create thousands of on-demand, nonstop trips for any point on the route.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/06/21/why-hyperloop-will-be-more-like-lyft-than-amtrak.html


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Here are a few reasons why betting Chicago's transportation future on an airport express, using hypothetical technology, at a wildly unrealistic projected cost, by a guy who hates transit, *might* be a bad idea. https://chi.streetsblog.org/2018/06/18/a-few-reasons-why-letting-elon-musk-build-the-ohare-express-is-still-a-bad-idea/


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It's amazing how zero supporters appear in the comments on these sorts of articles, but Musk's bullies are ubiquitous everywhere else.  I think I saw a headline by someone about six months ago complaining about getting attacked by the Musk swarm for merely questioning the almighty Elon Musk. 

 

Here's something pretty scary mentioned by someone in the comments:

 

 

"The owner of the system will have veto rights over "competing"

projects. Connecting the Brown Line to the Blue Line could be blocked.

Ashland BRT could be blocked. Improvements to the Antioch Metra line

(which stops at O'Hare) could be blocked."

 

This is a deal-breaker for me. Let him spend his own money and take all the risks but stay out of everything else.

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Yep. Scary and stupid. Wealthy bullies everywhere. Welcome to America, 2018.


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Crossrail will soon serve London's Heathrow Airport (which is poised to become the biggest in the world -- about 30% busier than O'Hare) and 10 giant trains per hour will link it with Paddington Station, in addition to local tube service. 

 

 

Not sure how Musk's followers can possibly argue with the speed, frequency, and flexibility of traditional urban rail service to London's main airport. 

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No, the Chicago project is not a vacuum tube.  It's just the "...Loop".  From O'Hare to the Loop via the Loop.  It needs to be a vacuum tube to be a HYPERloop. 

 

 

It's still an "in".

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“As for that Hyperloop, most experts say it’s impossible and unnecessary. ‘It gives me pause to think that otherwise intelligent people are buying into this kind of utopian vision,’ Harvard professor Jose Gomez-Ibanez told MIT Technology Review in 2016.”

 

“Elon Musk is a total fraud.”

https://t.co/XEcxyiHPtn via @nypost


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“As for that Hyperloop, most experts say it’s impossible and unnecessary. ‘It gives me pause to think that otherwise intelligent people are buying into this kind of utopian vision,’ Harvard professor Jose Gomez-Ibanez told MIT Technology Review in 2016.”

 

His degrees are in government and public policy.  Not engineering.

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Remember: Many, many government transportation agencies put aside their (natural) skepticism about the vacuum tube transport and wrote big checks for feasibility studies based on this guy's celebrity smart guy brand.

 

BREAKING: Elon Musk, Tesla charged with fraud by SEC

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/27/tesla-falls-4percent-on-report-elon-musk-sued-by-sec.html


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Thanks to the new format, I reread the first page of this thread, where we saw ELONMUSK ELONMUSK ELONMUSK ELONMUSK ELONMUSK claiming that he would break ground in 2016 for LA-SF, there would be a 5-mile test track, BLAH BLAH BLAH.  FFWD and nothing has happened.  Some German college students came over and shot a little test craft in a steel sewer pipe at 200mph.  Musk tweeted about it. 

 

Now we have Richard Branson claiming that he's breaking ground in India next year:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/09/richard-branson-virgin-hyperloop-tickets-to-cost-no-more-than-high-speed-rail.html?recirc=taboolainternal

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Hyperloop....it's not even the latest attempt to replace to steel-wheel-on-steel-rail technology. Those who have enjoyed and prospered from productive transportation investments have done so because they evolved their existing technologies...

 

 


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I just noticed that Hyperloop One built their office just a block south of LA Union Station - coincidentally the future hub of California's HSR.  

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0315752,-118.2281863,3a,75y,110.83h,89.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMdAW7tqACHX-JaKKi_jVNA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

How obnoxious. 

 

But what are Hyperloop One's 20~ employees doing all day in that office?  Polluting Twitter with a bunch of propaganda?  

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Sitting around cooking up rhetoric just like think tanks. Monitoring Google Alerts to respond to being called out about ways it won't work with statements designed specifically to manipulate futurists.

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4 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

I just noticed that Hyperloop One built their office just a block south of LA Union Station - coincidentally the future hub of California's HSR.  

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0315752,-118.2281863,3a,75y,110.83h,89.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMdAW7tqACHX-JaKKi_jVNA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

How obnoxious. 

 

But what are Hyperloop One's 20~ employees doing all day in that office?  Polluting Twitter with a bunch of propaganda?  


One block? Look again.

 

I've been to Hyperloop One's headquarters--there are many many more people working there than 20.

 

 

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The building measures 120x50.  That's 6,000 feet.  So the size of the auto parts section in a Wal-Mart. 

 

The California High Speed Rail tracks to Anaheim are planned to run directly behind the building.  Like, stick your arm out the window and the train takes off your fingers. 

 

The hyperloop is never, ever going to exist.  This is all a money laundering/Theranos type scam.  A wolf in Tech's clothing. 

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1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

The hyperloop is never, ever going to exist.  This is all a money laundering/Theranos type scam.  A wolf in Tech's clothing. 

 

My prediction is that the vacuum tube will be ditched and the concept will evolve/devolve into a simple dedicated right of way for autonomous vehicles. Whether that will be worthy of being called a “Hyperloop” is up to the marketing guys I guess.

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9 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

The building measures 120x50.  That's 6,000 feet.  So the size of the auto parts section in a Wal-Mart. 

 

That's only a small part of their campus.  They control the large building to the southwest, which is packed with workspaces and research areas. 

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11 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

The hyperloop is never, ever going to exist.  This is all a money laundering/Theranos type scam.  A wolf in Tech's clothing. 

 

Some guys come up with a transport idea in theory.  Some young tech/engineer bros jump on and declare they have a business without ever having tested it for proof of concept.


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1 hour ago, ink said:

 

That's only a small part of their campus.  They control the large building to the southwest, which is packed with workspaces and research areas. 

 

According to this, they have raised $368 million:

https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/hyperloop-technolgies#section-funding-rounds

 

Gotta spend that money somehow.

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Hyperloop One bringing test pod to Columbus during U.S. roadshow

 

Virgin Hyperloop One is going on an American road trip.

 

The Los Angeles hyperloop company is taking its XP-1 test pod to three U.S. cities that are eyeing routes for the high-speed tubular transportation system: Columbus; Arlington, Texas; and Kansas City.

 

VHO hopes the tour will enable local communities to see the hyperloop test pod up close and learn about their states’ progress in bringing the technology to fruition.

 

“When government and investor delegations come to our test site, seeing the technology makes it real for them,” said CEO Jay Walder in a statement. “Not everyone can come to the Nevada desert, so we’re bringing our technology to the people — the American people who will be riding this new form of transportation within a decade.”

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/07/30/hyperloop-one-bringing-test-pod-to-columbus-during.html

 

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