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^ New England, Seattle, Vancouver, Orlando (temporary), and Portland all have turf fields.

 

Though in perfect world all MLS teams play on grass in a soccer specific stadium, exceptions have and will be made.

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Generally, I think the MLS prefers grass... but a few MLS teams play on turf fields, including Vancouver, Seattle and soon Atlanta (all of these cities use large stadiums that are also used for football).

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Nippert is so much nicer than almost any of the MLS stadiums in terms of stadium design, amenities, and location. I understand why the MLS has their policy of wanting dedicated stadiums (empty stadiums feel underwhelming, owners/cities have less skin if they don't have to build a facility), but if FC Cincinnati can keep Nippert as full as it has been (filling lower level with overflow onto upper level as needed), then the MLS would be insane to force them to build some less nice stadium in some worse location. The owners could use that saved money to invest more in better players and better marketing, which would do more to benefit the league as a whole than another stadium.

 

If you look at the "purpose built" stadiums for the MLS (Denver, Columbus, Kansas City, Chicago, etc), many of them feel like they were built cheaply because they were! It would be far better for the MLS to push more investment in improving the rosters and marketing of the league.

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^Going to the games has been so much fun so far, that frankly I'd be totally fine staying in the USL forever if we could maintain ~20k average attendance. That's a huge IF (which probably isn't true, because I think you're right that lots of the excitement is around the potential for moving up)... but I care much less about the league than the actual fan experience.

 

Seeing the upper tier teams play the lower tier teams is one of the coolest aspects of pro soccer. I love seeing teams like Ft. Lauderdale Strikers, Charleston Battey and the Rochester Rhinos hold their own against MLS in the Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup.

 

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/02/05/15/43/160205-usoc-2016-competition-format-and-schedule-revealed

 

Also, one interesting aspect of lower division soccer is that the NASL has no salary cap. So there is a chance that a team like the New York Cosmos could theoretically become a ridiculous group of all stars surpassing the MLS teams in talent. Could you imagine if some billionaire owner tried the same thing in pro football or basketball? Very interesting to consider. 

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Nippert is so much nicer than almost any of the MLS stadiums in terms of stadium design, amenities, and location. I understand why the MLS has their policy of wanting dedicated stadiums (empty stadiums feel underwhelming, owners/cities have less skin if they don't have to build a facility), but if FC Cincinnati can keep Nippert as full as it has been (filling lower level with overflow onto upper level as needed), then the MLS would be insane to force them to build some less nice stadium in some worse location. The owners could use that saved money to invest more in better players and better marketing, which would do more to benefit the league as a whole than another stadium.

 

If you look at the "purpose built" stadiums for the MLS (Denver, Columbus, Kansas City, Chicago, etc), many of them feel like they were built cheaply because they were! It would be far better for the MLS to push more investment in improving the rosters and marketing of the league.

 

Nippert is a great place to see a game and has the location advantages of being in the middle of town, but I still think some other amenities (bathrooms, concessions) are not quite where you would want them in an ideal setting.  Not a knock on Nippert--they have added a significant amount as a result of the renovation, but without really blowing out some of the buildings immediately around, it's always going to face some limitations in that regard, just because it wasn't built with that in mind.  The tradeoffs of having a cool old venue with great sight lines are that you can't squeeze in the same number of concessions or bathrooms per capita that you see at a stadium like GABP. 

 

Also, I am not a huge fan of bleacher-style seats, but I think that they are working okay so far. 

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With the latest proposed changes to Nippert which will extend the field and "center" it more, it seems like it might shift the field further to the south, away from The Bailey. That seems like it might allow for the stands in The Bailey to be extended (moving down and closer to the field). Anybody know if that'd be feasible? Might not be worth it just to gain a few more rows, but I think it's really important for The Bailey to be as close as possible to field.

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The Bailey could stand to be a few feet further away from the end line, because from certain parts of The Bailey you can't see the corners. It's not a big deal, but it would be nice to be able to see the entire field from every spot in that section. So moving the field slightly south without touching The Bailey would be good.

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This is why I asked about turf fields. 11,000 Sat., thanks to the cold and rain.

 

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Artificial turf and cancer: ESPN digs into crumb rubber risks

 

...following in the footsteps of an NBC News investigation last year, “The Turf War” explores the anecdotal evidence that soccer players – especially young ones – are at risk due to the toxic cocktail of chemicals found in crumb rubber, the tiny bits of recycled auto tires used as infill in most modern turf surfaces..."

 

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/artificial-turf-and-cancer-espn-digs-into-crumb-rubber-risks-with-troubling-e60-report-by-julie-foudy/

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Well we're deep into page 4 of this discussion topic and we have yet to see a player or coach's name mentioned.  That's in line with all of the other online folderol I've been seeing -- a 100% obsession with getting a MLS team.  Seem like people are way more into having cake than eating it. 

 

The MLS talk really picked up after the first two home games. I think at first it was largely ignored, because what new team wouldn't say things like "we want to be the best." However, the attendance really got people thinking about the idea and to be fair - FCC's attendance so far is incredible for the USL. Even with 11,000 or so in the rain, they were still at the top of the league.

 

I'll admit, I'm very intrigued by the idea of an MLS team in Cincinnati. It makes for a good story. NHL and NBA aren't coming, but MLS could. Should it? Will they let it? There's tons of angles and it'll be interesting to follow as it develops. Having said that, I loved what was happening in Louisville in 2015/how fans connect with soccer teams in general. I'll support this club whether it makes the MLS jump or stays in the USL. Also, every time I've been to a bar to watch an away game or attend any Die Innenstadt events, MLS discussion rarely comes up. It's always about the team, how they're developing, the players, coach Harkes, Etc. 

 

In short: there's an allure of MLS, but that's not the only thing getting people excited. It's just what the media bites at.

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It's interesting to watch the FC Cincinnati brand evolve so quickly. I wasn't thrilled with the look/brand initially, but I'm liking the direction they are headed. Already, in their merchandise (<a href="https://www.fccincinnati.com/shop-online/">online store</a>), you can see how the crest is being diminished and the Lion is taking on more importance. The crest is the main shortcoming of their look because it makes "FC" too big, "Cincinnati" isn't legible, and the Lion is invisible. And when the crest appears on a blue background, the whole thing fades away because there isn't enough contrast.

 

If you just look at how the hat evolved from the first version (<a href="https://www.fccincinnati.com/shop-online/#!/FCC-Blue-Adjustable-Hat/p/65679621/category=16709076">crest on blue</a>) to the new version (<a href="https://www.fccincinnati.com/shop-online/#!/Nike-White-FCC-Hat/p/60272337/category=16709076">Lion on white</a>), you can see how much better things are looking already. Part of that is just that the quality of production has improved (compare the embroidery on the two hats), but their design/marketing team seems to recognize how to improve the look of the team.

 

Very excited for this Saturday's game against Pittsburgh. Hope we can hit the 25k goal!

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FCC had over 23k in attendance for the match against Pittsburgh on Saturday.

 

On Wednesday, they picked up their first US Open Cup win - against the NPSL side of Indy Eleven.

 

On June 1 we play the Tampa Bay Roudies, an NASL team (second division) with some huge stars on the team.

 

If we win on June 1, we play against the Columbus Crew on June 15! It's unlcear if it's in Columbus or in Cincinnati. But either way, I imagine a sell out crowd if we advance. This is one of the most exciting matchups announced in the US Open Cup.

 

Also, it was announced today that FC Cincinnati will play Crystal Palace at Nippert Stadium on July 16 for a friendly!

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^FC Cincinnati is coming out of the gate strong with these attendance numbers and some great matchups.  I'm thinking it's high time for Cleveland or Akron to make a push for a USL team.

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PG Sittenfeld's latest podcast episode hosted Jeff Berding and Austin Berry. Interesting discussion, including some thoughts from Berding about why FC Cincinnati has seen so much support. One of the points he makes is that Nippert Stadium, both as a facility and in terms of its location, has contributed significantly to what makes it such a fun atmosphere before, during, and after the games. Also interesting to hear Berding compare the Bengals stadium experience (everything in stadium is "scripted") to the soccer community, where the fans resist anything that feels "corporate" or from the management. 

 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/keepin-it-pg/id1111790895

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PG Sittenfeld's latest podcast episode hosted Jeff Berding and Austin Berry. Interesting discussion, including some thoughts from Berding about why FC Cincinnati has seen so much support. One of the points he makes is that Nippert Stadium, both as a facility and in terms of its location, has contributed significantly to what makes it such a fun atmosphere before, during, and after the games. Also interesting to hear Berding compare the Bengals stadium experience (everything in stadium is "scripted") to the soccer community, where the fans resist anything that feels "corporate" or from the management. 

 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/keepin-it-pg/id1111790895

 

I would hope mls would let fc Cincinnati stay at Nippert and not force them to build a soccer only stadium. Nippert is such a great venue.

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If you watched the USMNT friendly last night against Ecuador, they played in Frisco, TX in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Stadium_(Texas)">Toyota Stadium</a> (home of Dallas FC) which is a "purpose built" stadium... and it's just sad how bad that stadium is in comparison to Nippert. It's in the middle of nowhere. That's part of the downside to the MLS insisting on new, dedicated stadiums: they end up on cheap land with cheap construction.

 

They only had 9,000 fans show up to that game, which is pitiful for our national team and I blame - in significant part - the location of the stadium.

 

In the podcast with PG, Berding talked about how he expects to "sell out Nippert" for the Crystal Palace friendly this summer. He didn't clarify if he meant the upper decks or just the lower level, but either way, it shows how Berding recognizes Nippert can be a premiere soccer venue.

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^Maybe FC Cincinnati can get a variance, if it comes to that, but that's a long way off.  The Sounders, one of the most popular MLS teams, share a stadium with the Seahawks so there is precedent.  Yes, the Sounders and the Seahawks share an owner, but something could be worked out.

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WCPO has a nice story (behind paywall) about the attention FC Cincy has gotten including international news sites. Found these bits interesting:

 

"...And while plans for an academy system are on the horizon and a 15-year lease at Nippert Stadium might cast doubts on short-term MLS viability, no one can rain on FC Cincinnati’s parade.

 

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/05/13/another-orlando-inside-charts-exciting-rise-fc-cincinnati

 

 

"...Bjorn, Chip and 150 others are marching just under a mile from Mecklenburg Gardens, a quaint corner bar, toward Nippert Stadium — the home to what’s quickly becoming America’s most fascinating new club."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/16/fc-cincinnati-usl-record-attendances-soccer

 

 

"...We also have a give-back programme, in which we give back some of the money we get from local clubs as a charitable donation. When parents buy tickets online they can indicate which club they're from and at the end of the season we will tally it up and give some money back.

 

"While the $100 million-plus expansion fee will not be a problem for the FC Cincinnati ownership group"

 

"Some of the new stadiums that are being built are in the 25,000-seat range. But we can draw possibly 35,000 at Nippert, right in the heart of a college campus. We've designed the stadium as a soccer pitch, there are no football lines. We have locker rooms fully decked out for soccer. We have sufficient control over the schedule."

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/19/fc-cincinnati-show-strength-in-numbers-for-mls-push/

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Given the discussion around the need for a soccer-specific stadium to join MLS, I thought I might take a page out of thebillshark's "Cincinnati Ideas" playbook and propose the IRS building site in Covington as the Cincinnati FC stadium site:

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This stadium site is about the same size as Portland's Providence Park, which holds about 21,000 and is also bounded by a street grid. While this proposed stadium fits comfortably on the Covington site (bounded by 4th Street, Johnson St, and Rivercenter Blvd), a smaller stadiumfootprint would be doable. San Jose's new Avaya Stadium (capacity ~18,000) is a smaller site, and could also be a good fit.

 

Benefits:

  • On PG Sittenfeld's podcast, Jeff Berding made it pretty clear that he believes having Nippert as the home field has played a huge role in the team's early attendance success. He may have meant that the stadium is newly renovated and a regional landmark, but I think it is critical that the stadium be located in the urban core in a built neighborhood. The IRS building is within a ten minute walk of three Covington business districts, and is about a 20 minute walk from the Banks/southernmost Cincinnati Streetcar stop. People make the walk from Covington/Newport for Reds games all the time, so it's not unreasonable that fans would make the reverse trek for FC Cincinnati.
  • While Covington's urban core is starting to build some momentum, the city is vastly oversupplied with potential lots for redevelopment, even with the IRS building site currently occupied. There's been talk of consolidating the IRS facility into a tower, and while this would be a huge win for urban Covington, it'd probably be thirty years before the plan came together to develop everything between the Clay Wade Bailey bridge and Madison Avenue. The stadium would speed things up considerably in this part of the city, and would benefit development in the other nearby business districts.
    The stadium plan still allows the city to expand the convention center to the south.

 

Potential drawbacks:

  • Well, it's not Cincinnati. There is precedent with the NY Red Bulls, NY Giants and NY Jets playing in NJ, as well as the Cincinnati airport being in NKY, but I could still see this being a roadblock.
  • Building an urban neighborhood around stadiums has worked fairly well for the Banks, but the success of the Banks isn't necessarily tied to the stadiums. While it was hard to predict twenty years ago, you could argue that the land occupying Paul Brown Stadium would now be better served with additional residential/commercial development, given that PBS hosts only a few events per year outside of eight Bengals home games. FC Cincinnati would be full more often that PBS, but it's still a lot of potentially highly productive land to dedicate to a low productivity activity.

 

It does seem like the soccer-specific stadiums in the MLS are usually located on cheap land away from the urban core, probably due to paltry box office revenues and a lack of multiple revenue-generating uses. While Berding's comments in the podcast do make me a little more optimistic, the fact that the Lindners own the team means that a Dallas FC-style stadium in Mason is probably a likely scenario:

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I could honestly see a Stadium being built in Mason or West Chester...and what's sad is that I think the attendace will soar even more so.

 

You have SOOOO many youth soccer leagues, and obssessed soccer suburban parents in that area. Build it close enough to these neighborhoods, and I think you will see incredibly well off attendace.

 

That's why, I think even as good as the attendance is currently, you still have hoards of people who won't want to trek downtown because of how "scary" it is.

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I think MLS is wary of suburban soccer stadiums. Chicago and DC have suburban stadiums currently, and their attendance is pitiful. I don't know if I would call Mapfre Stadium "suburban" but the immediate surroundings are and attendance has been pretty lackluster this year to say the least.

 

MLS doesn't want a suburban Miami field, and Sacramento's new stadium is going to be just outside of downtown. I think MLS wants urban parks. I also don't think attendance would soar with a stadium in Mason. No one from Kentucky, Indiana, downtown, or Clermont County are driving to Mason for a game.

 

People blow the "downtown is scary I won't go there even for a sporting event" demographic way out of proportion. There may be thousands of them in the metro, but it isn't a significant number that should influence the team to move up to the northern suburbs. I doubt the Reds would draw better in the suburbs, and I don't think FCC would either. The Bengals might just because there are only 8 home games [that matter].

 

Also, you can't build a team entirely on youth attendance. It just doesn't work. A lot of people I go to games with would stop buying season tickets if they moved to the suburbs. They also need the beer $ and families with kids notoriously don't buy much beer. Youth attendance is important for long term success, and they definitely fuel merchandise sales, but they can't support a team.

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If the MLS did expand to Cincinnati I think it would be a major mistake to move the team from Nippert if it can be helped.  It's a historic, intimate stadium in a great location and it's the perfect size.  Nippert has huge potential for soccer use in my opinion and I would hate to see Cincinnati FC move to a stale suburban park.  I don't think the MLS will come to Cincinnati anytime soon, but if they do they would be smart to make another exception to the soccer specific stadium rule.

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FC Cincinnati hits attendance milestone for Crystal Palace match

 

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FC Cincinnati has cracked the 30,000 tickets sold barrier for Saturday’s international friendly soccer match versus English Premier League club Crystal Palace.

 

FC Cincinnati announced Thursday morning it broke the 30,000 mark. That puts it close to the sellout that FC Cincinnati has been targeting for the past month. Nippert Stadium on the University of Cincinnati campus has a capacity of 35,000 for soccer.

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/07/14/fc-cincinnati-hits-attendance-milestone-for.html


"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

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...will it be a Ryan's Buffet?


"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

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The players were all wearing Go Pro cameras that record 360 degrees from their chest. The USL just released a video of Ugo (Sean Okoli) juggling while wearing one. You can grab the image and look where you want.

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With the bigger crowd, will police block off streets and on-street parking on Saturday?  If not, traffic is going be gridlocked for at least an hour before and after the game.  The stuff they do for Bearcats games might seem obnoxious until you experience what happens when they don't do it. 

 

On Calhoun they typically block off the three connections between Calhoun and McMillan between W. Clifton and Vine and prohibit any on-street parking on McMillan all the way to I-71.  They also direct traffic near Hughes, on MLK, on Jefferson, on McMillan at Auburn, etc. 

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