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We would be in a completely different situation right now if the western portion of I-275 was built closer to the city instead of taking an extravagant detour into Indiana. This would enable I-275 to actually function as a bypass and take a significant amount of traffic off of the BSB. It would be extremely difficult and expensive to build a connector here today without buying dozens of suburban homes.

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The reason why the Eastern by pass gets so much attention is because the growth has been on the East side in both KY and OH.

 

All highways will create some sprawl, but I do like the West side plan.  If anything I would connect it over 71 into 75 further South.

It would really open up the West side of Cincinnati and help improve access to Delhi, Price Hill, Westwood for redevelopment and investment. It would encourage more fill in development on the West Side of Hamilton County. It would also as you point out, make Boone County much more developable and help with airport growth and encourage more businesses around the airport because of the West Side growth.

 

The one concern I would have about your model and idea is that it may not take into account Boone's topography which could cause issues and also certain national parks like Big Bone Lick, etc, may be located in your right of way.

 

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This is what I'd do... it wouldn't tear up any neighborhoods and really improve interstate access for the west side.

 

I'd leave it as a "super street" grade road with a 55mph speed limit rather than a full highway.

It's poorly drawn, but I'd include an interstate grade interchange to US 50 (which is built to almost highway grade itself).

I'd also include:

 - A bridge over the OH river and KY-8

 - Improvements to KY-20 to withstand increased traffic down to KY-8

 - A traffic circle at the intersection of Terminal Drive and Delhi Pike

 - A Michigan Left or similar interchange at Terminal Drive / Petersburg Rd. to keep traffic from clogging down to I-275.

 

What would be really awesome is if some type of rail infrastructure could be included along this road and across its bridge too for future mass transit to CVG.

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A Westside bridge really is a no brainer in this area.   I believe it was Jake who pointed it out before, but Glenway Crossing in Western Hills is closer to 275 in NKY than it is in Ohio.   ODOT & KDOT spending on this would have much better ROI results of alleviating Brent Spence traffic than any of this Eastern Bypass crap.   Where and why are our leaders on either side of the river silent on this?????

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I thought there was debate about that concept 20 + years ago but there was not the political will to do it and the Brent Spence Replacement took priority at the time. We see how far that has gone.

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^Yea, a bridge was proposed at Bender Rd and Rt 50 on the Ohio side.   Amazing to think where we would be today had that been built.

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18 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

The reason why the Eastern by pass gets so much attention is because the growth has been on the East side in both KY and OH.

 

All highways will create some sprawl, but I do like the West side plan.  If anything I would connect it over 71 into 75 further South.

It would really open up the West side of Cincinnati and help improve access to Delhi, Price Hill, Westwood for redevelopment and investment. It would encourage more fill in development on the West Side of Hamilton County. It would also as you point out, make Boone County much more developable and help with airport growth and encourage more businesses around the airport because of the West Side growth.

 

The one concern I would have about your model and idea is that it may not take into account Boone's topography which could cause issues and also certain national parks like Big Bone Lick, etc, may be located in your right of way.

 

In Ohio the growth has been primarily to the North and East, but in KY the growth has been in Boone and southern Kenton. I agree that I didn't take any topography into account and driving to Rabbit Hash or Big Bone will let you know that this part of the county is very hilly. Big Bone is much closer to the river than the highways, so it would remain West of any proposed alignment with the existing 71/75 split. 

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15 hours ago, SWOH said:

This is what I'd do... it wouldn't tear up any neighborhoods and really improve interstate access for the west side.

 

I'd leave it as a "super street" grade road with a 55mph speed limit rather than a full highway.

It's poorly drawn, but I'd include an interstate grade interchange to US 50 (which is built to almost highway grade itself).

I'd also include:

 - A bridge over the OH river and KY-8

 - Improvements to KY-20 to withstand increased traffic down to KY-8

 - A traffic circle at the intersection of Terminal Drive and Delhi Pike

 - A Michigan Left or similar interchange at Terminal Drive / Petersburg Rd. to keep traffic from clogging down to I-275.

 

What would be really awesome is if some type of rail infrastructure could be included along this road and across its bridge too for future mass transit to CVG.

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There is about a 330 ft elevation difference between US50 and the top of the hill on the Ohio side. I’d do a high bridge from 212 in KY directly to Neeb Road at College of Mt St Joseph. Then I’d build a new mile long connector heading east down towards US50 that would intersect near Fenimore Street. That would still be pretty steep grade, 330/5280=6.25%. Bender Rd would serve as the US50 connector from the west. 

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I was looking through the Enquirer archives for old Columbia Parkway articles and came across this amazing map from Feb 27th 1970.  It is a little hard to read since some of the nuance between shades of gray is pretty hard to tell from the scan.  The "Outer Belt" is insane.  The eastern half of the belt almost matches up exactly with the eastern bypass route.

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Columbus had an Outer-Outerbelt proposed as well in those days. They were totally off the wall. Back then more people lived in rural ares but far fewer lived in exurbs or ribbon development which made them a tougher sell at the time. This is pre-$600 toilet seats so cost didn't disqualify the proposals right off the bat.

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23 minutes ago, osu97gp said:

I was looking through the Enquirer archives for old Columbia Parkway articles and came across this amazing map from Feb 27th 1970.  It is a little hard to read since some of the nuance between shades of gray is pretty hard to tell from the scan.  The "Outer Belt" is insane.  The eastern half of the belt almost matches up exactly with the eastern bypass route.

 

 

There was a simultaneous plan for a gigantic Washington-DC type rapid transit system.  50+ miles with about 25 miles of subway and elevated construction.  Federal infrastructure spending in the 1960s was massive and continued through the first half of the 1970s until inflation reduced what could be built with allocated funds.  Then Reagan showed up in 1980 and the party was over.  Yet the debt mysteriously tripled despite the non-renewal of UMTA (the federal allocation that built MARTA, Miami Metrorail, Baltimore Subway, NYC Second Ave. subway, etc.), the bill that was expected to be periodically renewed like the transportation bills.   

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That 1970 map looks like a lot of the initial intercity highway and beltway plans that were drawn up in the 1940s and were actually fairly close to what was in fact built.  Those plans were pretty much just made up based on very little actual analysis, but once those lines were drawn they were relentlessly persistent. 

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1 hour ago, jjakucyk said:

That 1970 map looks like a lot of the initial intercity highway and beltway plans that were drawn up in the 1940s and were actually fairly close to what was in fact built.  Those plans were pretty much just made up based on very little actual analysis, but once those lines were drawn they were relentlessly persistent. 

 

There is the ultra-mega postwar plan in the rare book section at the main library, on the top floor of the skywalk.  That one includes the bright idea to dam up the Great Miami River to create a port.  At that time they were thinking that container transfers to barges would be figured out and that containers would be brought up from New Orleans and down from the Great Lakes on barges.  So they thought of that around 1948 but not railroad double-stacking.  Or the disappearance of passenger rail that freed up all of that capacity for freight, even before the double-stacking. 

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23 hours ago, JYP said:

 

Interesting, never realized there was a proposal for a bridge from the airport across the river to the west side already... amazing to think where we would be if Qualls was mayor instead of Cranley.

 

Seems like a bridge in this area would be at least 80% cheaper than building a giant unnecessary Eastern Bypass highway.

Also it'd tear down a lot fewer houses and disrupt a lot fewer people's lives.

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On 4/11/2019 at 6:37 PM, SWOH said:

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On 4/12/2019 at 9:47 AM, thebillshark said:

 

There is about a 330 ft elevation difference between US50 and the top of the hill on the Ohio side. I’d do a high bridge from 212 in KY directly to Neeb Road at College of Mt St Joseph. Then I’d build a new mile long connector heading east down towards US50 that would intersect near Fenimore Street. That would still be pretty steep grade, 330/5280=6.25%. Bender Rd would serve as the US50 connector from the west. 

 

That is true, and a really good point.

Access down to US 50 (which would be critical to making any kind of proposal like this work) would be really tricky with the massive elevation drop.

 

Your proposal sounds good and workable for sure, but it seems like if this were to ever happen there'd be a lot of pushback from Mount St. Joseph.

 

The more I look at the map, the more I wonder if it'd make more sense to tie in at Minneola instead?

 

The bridge would essentially replace the Anderson Ferry because it'd be located right over top of its current path.

 

 

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1 hour ago, SWOH said:

 

That is true, and a really good point.

Access down to US 50 (which would be critical to making any kind of proposal like this work) would be really tricky with the massive elevation drop.

 

Your proposal sounds good and workable for sure, but it seems like if this were to ever happen there'd be a lot of pushback from Mount St. Joseph.

 

The more I look at the map, the more I wonder if it'd make more sense to tie in at Minneola instead?

 

The bridge would essentially replace the Anderson Ferry because it'd be located right over top of its current path.

 

 

 

Yeah, the dilemma is low bridge vs. high bridge. If it’s a high bridge, needs to be a connector down to US 50 on the Ohio side. If it’s a low bridge, needs to be a connector  up the hill on the KY side where there would also be a 300 ft elevation difference.

 

Not sure what the pros and cons of each are, especially cost. A high bridge might serve the West Side better because it wouldn’t rely on the winding downhill portion of Anderson Ferry Rd. to connect to the rest of the road network. But then it might be slightly more cumbersome for someone trying to get downtown from the airport or someone using the bridge as an alternate to the Brent Spence. 

 

Mt St Joseph might object to the idea, but it could also be tremendously valuable to them almost magically relocating their isolated campus to an exit off of I-275. 


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The Jeremiah Morrow Bridge is 2,200 feet long with the longest span being 400 feet.  It is two 55-foot wide bridges and was built for $88 million. 

 

A new high bridge near the Anderson Ferry would need to be about 5,000 feet long and have one long span of at least 800 feet for the river navigation channel (box girders of this length have been built recently in China).  It would be a single bridge with a bridge deck at most 50 feet in width. 

 

So comparable, but still very different animals.   There also could be a toll placed on an Anderson Ferry Bridge. 

 

I would be that it will be the employers in Hebron who eventually push for this bridge because they are presently cut-off from a large nearby workforce. 

 

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You could also do something like this and connect to Anderson Ferry Road rather than connecting to Neeb Road. Then beef up Anderson Ferry Road to provide a direct connection between the new bridge and US-50, and handle the extra traffic using the new bridge.

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On 4/15/2019 at 11:13 AM, taestell said:

You could also do something like this and connect to Anderson Ferry Road rather than connecting to Neeb Road. Then beef up Anderson Ferry Road to provide a direct connection between the new bridge and US-50, and handle the extra traffic using the new bridge.

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I missed this earlier... this is a really good idea.

Minimal impact to buildings, a decent amount of the grading is already done, plenty of room past the bridge to slope the entrance and exit from this road down to US 50 if needed.

It'd work well.

 

All we need is the political will to make this happen, or some influential group strong enough to oppose the Fischer Homes people and back it instead of the Eastern Corridor.

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