Hts121 1 Report post Posted June 14, 2015 I have said multiple times (take sex out of the equation, there may or may not be sex involved in the relationship). Why are you mentioning love? Lots of people get married for other reasons than love. In your opinion does the due process equal protection clause cover this? Would you personally be opposed to it? Are they really hurting anyone, hurting society. Does polygamy hurt people or society? IDK Incest is not for good when making babies is what you always hear, birth defects. I think society has the ability to restrict certain defined types of marriages. Forced marriages, marriages to or among minors, incestual marriages, for example. The data is abundant on the short and long term damaging effects of those types of relationships. Polygamy is a bit more debatable from my viewpoint, but it would indeed require a redefinition of marriage from a legal standpoint. All the current marriage laws are written just fine to accommodate gay marriage. Polygamy has the potential to offer those 'extra rights' the talking heads keep nonsensically spewing about when discussing gay marriage As for your hypothetical, when you fit into a category society has legitimate reasons to prohibit from marrying, you are SOL. The right to due process, even when applicable, is not absolute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bosco4789 0 Report post Posted June 14, 2015 I think society has the ability to restrict certain defined types of marriages. I agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hts121 1 Report post Posted June 14, 2015 There is nobody who disagrees with that statement Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StapHanger 276 Report post Posted June 14, 2015 Notwithstanding the death throes of anti gay prejudices evident in this thread, it's amazing to me how quickly gay marriage is turning into a non-issue among American Catholics, just like birth-control did. The flock doesn't like government telling its church what to do in its religions affairs, but on a personal level, the flock overwhelmingly flouts the Church's teachings on the subject and wants it to have zero influence on secular policy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 So much for limited government. Or the Constitution.... Kasich Proposes New Government Agency To Promote Judeo-Christian Values http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/kasich-proposes-new-government-agency-promote-judeo-christian-values-n465101 Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gramarye 163 Report post Posted November 19, 2015 That is what a losing primary candidate desperate for attention sounds like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surfohio 558 Report post Posted November 19, 2015 That is what a losing primary candidate desperate for attention sounds like. Disingenuous. It's amusing how he suddenly got religious right before announcing his candidacy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted May 28, 2018 A Christian Nationalist Blitz By Katherine Stewart May 26, 2018 America’s Christian nationalists have a new plan for advancing their legislative goals in state capitols across the country. Its stated aim is to promote “religious freedom.” Not shy, they call it “Project Blitz.” “Blitz” accurately describes the spirit of the enterprise, but the mission has little to do with what most Americans would call religious freedom. This is just the latest attempt by religious extremists to use the coercive powers of government to secure a privileged position in society for their version of Christianity. The idea behind Project Blitz is to overwhelm state legislatures with bills based on centrally manufactured legislation. “It’s kind of like whack-a-mole for the other side; it’ll drive ‘em crazy that they’ll have to divide their resources out in opposing this,” David Barton, the Christian nationalist historian and one of four members of Project Blitz’s “steering team,” said in a conference call with state legislators from around the country that was later made public. MORE: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/26/opinion/project-blitz-christian-nationalists.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 When rulers and those who seek to rule invoke Romans 13, be afraid. They are invoking divinity to enforce or preserve a status quo. This is why we have separation of church and state. Our nation is supposed to be run by regular people who make mistakes and are in a constant search for a more perfect union. That means changing to fix mistakes and keep our laws up to date. When we tie our laws and government to divinity, that suggests we have achieved perfection and thus have no reason to change -- and should even punish those who suggest change. Keep your churches away from our laws. The Fight to Define Romans 13 Jeff Sessions used it to justify his policy of family separation, but he’s not the first to invoke the biblical passage. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/romans-13/562916/ Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 Jesus was executed by the f*cking government because he was a political revolutionary, you ignorant, sacrilegious ghoul. https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1007441567425159170 Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GCrites80s 450 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 Quote scripture outside of a religious establishment? You've instantly lost my trust. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YABO713 1,497 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 Quote scripture outside of a religious establishment? You've instantly lost my trust. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 I didn't like that either. Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 I do think this is funny. I hope you're comfortable enough with your own self and the wonderful imperfections of our man-made religions to find it funny too. Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GCrites80s 450 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 That's why I call Western religious conflicts "A Book Club Gone Wrong" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted July 1, 2018 More a-holes trying to push a theocracic agenda on America.... Full page Hobby Lobby ad in today’s Plain Dealer, pushing a hyper-selective narrative of America as a Christian nation by quoting sources from 1636, 1787, 1831, 1832, 1844, 1853, 1884 and 1892. Oh, and one from 1962. Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
327 179 Report post Posted July 1, 2018 From the footer of that ad: "If you would like to know Jesus as Lord and Savior, visit Need Him Ministry at www.chataboutjesus.com" Layer upon layer of clumsy mind control. But it works. If you're afraid of government power, you should be afraid of government (or anyone) talking like this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted August 9, 2018 Keep religion to yourself, please Law requires TN schools to display 'In God We Trust' in prominent location http://www.cleveland19.com/story/38844185/law-requires-tn-schools-to-display-in-god-we-trust-in-prominent-location Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YABO713 1,497 Report post Posted August 9, 2018 Keep religion to yourself, please Law requires TN schools to display 'In God We Trust' in prominent location http://www.cleveland19.com/story/38844185/law-requires-tn-schools-to-display-in-god-we-trust-in-prominent-location Compelled speech is worse than suppressed speech Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
subocincy 1 Report post Posted August 14, 2018 Keep religion to yourself, please Law requires TN schools to display 'In God We Trust' in prominent location http://www.cleveland19.com/story/38844185/law-requires-tn-schools-to-display-in-god-we-trust-in-prominent-location I'm really apprehensive to see these kinds of Bronze Age dictums creeping back into America of the 21st century, CE... https://www.wcpo.com/news/national/-in-god-we-trust-now-must-be-displayed-in-all-florida-schools-school-buildings Such primitive religious onslaughts are clear violations of the separation of church & state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eastvillagedon 104 Report post Posted August 14, 2018 I assume everyone here is whiting-out the part on your paper currency that says "In God We Trust." How unbearably offensive that must be! Or have you converted to Bitcoin? lol ::) Quote http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefourur 965 Report post Posted August 14, 2018 I assume everyone here is whiting-out the part on your paper currency that says "In God We Trust." How unbearably offensive that must be! Or have you converted to Bitcoin? lol ::) That shouldn't be on currency either. Your point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
327 179 Report post Posted August 14, 2018 I assume everyone here is whiting-out the part on your paper currency that says "In God We Trust." How unbearably offensive that must be! Or have you converted to Bitcoin? lol ::) It is offensive, but I treat it about as seriously as I treat the pyramids with giant eyeballs on top. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E Rocc 265 Report post Posted August 14, 2018 Keep religion to yourself, please Law requires TN schools to display 'In God We Trust' in prominent location http://www.cleveland19.com/story/38844185/law-requires-tn-schools-to-display-in-god-we-trust-in-prominent-location Compelled speech is worse than suppressed speech The Supreme Court certainly concurred. Barnette and Santa Fe ISD would be the relevant precedents here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted February 14, 2019 Congressman: ‘You Can’t Separate Church From State’ https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/02/congressman-cant-separate-church-state/ Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted June 5, 2019 I wasn't sure if I should post this in the Republican party thread or and the separation of church and state thread. In practice, what's the difference? GOP Lawmakers Plan For 51st “Christian State” To Be Based On Biblical Law People in Washington state keep demanding that the state Republican Party expel him for his dangerous form of extremism but they refuse. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2019/05/gop-lawmakers-plan-for-51st-christian-state-to-be-based-on-biblical-law/ Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted June 22, 2019 This is totally FUBAR!! What happens if/when Southern states copy this? What happens when their Congresspersons and Senators in Washington demand religious police in the whole country? What happens when many states choose to not agree to it? Alabama governor signs law allowing church to have its own police force https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alabama-governor-signs-law-allowing-church-to-have-its-own-police-force/ar-AADbRd6?li=BBnb7Kz Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MyTwoSense 759 Report post Posted June 22, 2019 9 hours ago, KJP said: This is totally FUBAR!! What happens if/when Southern states copy this? What happens when their Congresspersons and Senators in Washington demand religious police in the whole country? What happens when many states choose to not agree to it? Alabama governor signs law allowing church to have its own police force https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alabama-governor-signs-law-allowing-church-to-have-its-own-police-force/ar-AADbRd6?li=BBnb7Kz Cersei Lannister did the same thing. You see how that turned out for her! LOL Sounds like they want a Swiss Papal Guard situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gramarye 163 Report post Posted June 25, 2019 On 6/22/2019 at 8:25 AM, MyTwoSense said: Cersei Lannister did the same thing. You see how that turned out for her! LOL Sounds like they want a Swiss Papal Guard situation. If the religious police end up marching Kay Ivey through the streets in the same way they did Cersei ... ... ... ... actually, I retract what I was about to say--I could see HBO getting a camera crew in place for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MyTwoSense 759 Report post Posted June 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Gramarye said: If the religious police end up marching Kay Ivey through the streets in the same way they did Cersei ... ... ... ... actually, I retract what I was about to say--I could see HBO getting a camera crew in place for that. ...and I would be there for it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted July 6, 2019 Old article but thought-provoking.... How corporate America invented ‘Christian America’ to fight the New Deal http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/03/how-corporate-america-invented-christian-america-to-fight-the-new-deal/ Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 Ok, this is getting way out of hand.... Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
X 1,040 Report post Posted September 1, 2019 That article is over 2 years old. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 If it wasn't repealed, then it's still current. Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
X 1,040 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 But it's being presented as news. I know you don't necessarily read all your links, but maybe a little QC on the Twitter links is in order? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 Or it can be received as a reminder. Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
X 1,040 Report post Posted September 2, 2019 Don't be obtuse. If you want to state it as a reminder, then say "hey, this is a reminder". But you and the original Tweeter posted it as if it was new news. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) Doesn't matter. No one cares anyway. Edited September 5, 2019 by KJP Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,355 Report post Posted September 30, 2019 "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries." James Madison The Supreme Court Considers Mandatory Government Funding of Religious Education https://www.aclu.org/blog/religious-liberty/religion-and-public-schools/supreme-court-considers-mandatory-government Quote "The boss rolls up in a new Lamborghini and tells his staff 'The greatest part about America is that hard work breeds wealth. So if you work hard and dedicate yourself tirelessly to the task at hand, I can get another new Lamborghini next year.'” -- Overheard in a Cleveland bar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
