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The Hogan? I didn't realize those were that much. And those are pretty basic apartments and the building itself is more or less as nondescript as you can get from an historic building in OTR.

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Yes, nice price points on these.  More or less I am starting to think that in 5 - 10 years, we will see that a lot of OTR will become a "quiet" type urban neighborhood and busy on the main corridors like Vine Street (maybe a similar dynamic to Lakeview in Chicago?), while downtown will become much more lively and busy as these newer towers come to life and hotels open, 4th street becomes more activitated, new offices users move in, etc. 

 

The reason I say this is because looking at current plans, like on Elm Street in OTR, they are building single family homes and I think a lot of the missing pieces in between the historic buildings will end up being single family.  Where as downtown, there are so many pads and it seems a lot more conversions available in larger buildings that the ppl/block density will be much higher.  Any thoughts on this?

 

I also agree that this price point looks good moving forward.

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The Hogan? I didn't realize those were that much. And those are pretty basic apartments and the building itself is more or less as nondescript as you can get from an historic building in OTR.

yes that's it. I was curious so compared their stated square footage to their prices per month; As I recall the result was $2 almost exactly for all of the units.

 

And I agree that the building and units are not special. I'm curious how they are renting.

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My friend wanted to look and when he contacted them he said they told him the one bedrooms were all spoken for. And this was very shortly after it opened.

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I was actually going to do a giant construction update at some point this week since it's so nice out. I'm sure someone will post before then, but if you give a few days I'll likely have a post purely on construction updates around town.

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Taken this morning. Enhanced a bit because the original was too dark. They are up to the 5th garage level and are pouring the first floor ceiling along Sycamore.

 

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“All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.”
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I'm excited to see the tower start moving up.  Looks like a nice project all around and hopefully spurs some more residential across the street

 

*Edit: Just realized across the street is the Joseph Groups Property.  So probably nothing there for another 30 years :oops:

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I'm excited to see the tower start moving up.  Looks like a nice project all around and hopefully spurs some more residential across the street

 

*Edit: Just realized across the street is the Joseph Groups Property.  So probably nothing there for another 30 years :oops:

 

It's already been 30 years hasn't it?

 

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29. They last made that statement in 1987 when they tore down a building and "saved" the facade for "future use" whatever that means.

 

Someone on Facebook posted a compilation of the buildings they've torn down to create that lot. There were some seriously attractive and unique buildings that occupied that lot.

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^I'd love for someone to call them on that facade that was "saved for future use".  Where is it?  And how does it fit into your plan for a Fortune 500 HQ?  :roll:

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Someone on Facebook posted a compilation of the buildings they've torn down to create that lot. There were some seriously attractive and unique buildings that occupied that lot.

 

Oh I bet.  Just like all of "old" Cincinnati.  Even in spots you wouldn't think so much but they have it like along Riverside, on the outskirts of East Walnut Hills like McMillan toward Columbia Parkway, and then even on Madison Road getting close to Rookwood with beautiful garden apartments.

 

You always wish they didn't tear down so much, it's a shame.  But the real shame on this particular one is that the Josephs have not been good stewards of their downtown holdings in the last 29 years it seems.  Do they have any historic buildings they own and have put into use?

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^I'd love for someone to call them on that facade that was "saved for future use".  Where is it?  And how does it fit into your plan for a Fortune 500 HQ?  :roll:

 

I was just thinking the same thing. Someone who testifies at The Dennison should bring up the fact that they claim to have the original facades in storage and make them prove that they're actually still there and being taken care of.

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Someone on Facebook posted a compilation of the buildings they've torn down to create that lot. There were some seriously attractive and unique buildings that occupied that lot.

 

Oh I bet.  Just like all of "old" Cincinnati.  Even in spots you wouldn't think so much but they have it like along Riverside, on the outskirts of East Walnut Hills like McMillan toward Columbia Parkway, and then even on Madison Road getting close to Rookwood with beautiful garden apartments.

 

You always wish they didn't tear down so much, it's a shame.  But the real shame on this particular one is that the Josephs have not been good stewards of their downtown holdings in the last 29 years it seems.  Do they have any historic buildings they own and have put into use?

 

Yes. Ron has restored several buildings. The building Buona Tera is in in Mt. Lookout Square is one of his restorations and turned out quite nice (and I'm not just saying that because I worked on it). It's a shame that level of care can't make its way to the Dennison.

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^That's good to know.  At least we know that if they don't get the demolition, they would be able to restore the building with good care if they decided to go that route. 

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Just walked by 8th and Sycamore to check out the construction.

 

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Looks like they are about ready to start on the second residential story above the garage.

 

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What is going on with the garage facade? If this is the final product it is hideous!

 

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Just walked by 8th and Sycamore to check out the construction.

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What is going on with the garage facade? If this is the final product it is hideous!

 

Most definitely not the final product:

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That's a different angle of the building. The renderings are showing the 8th and Sycamore Street sides. John's photo shows the Sycamore and 7th Street sides.

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What is that next to the hotel? 

That is the valet entrance and what looks to be the hotel pool on the floor above it.


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That's a different angle of the building. The renderings are showing the 8th and Sycamore Street sides. John's photo shows the Sycamore and 7th Street sides.

 

You're right. You can get a small glimpse from the 3CDC rendering. Doesn't look like it will end up super appealing.

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New downtown Cincinnati parking garage sets opening

Jul 29, 2016, 9:59am EDT Updated Jul 29, 2016, 10:52am EDT

Erin Caproni

Digital Producer

Cincinnati Business Courier

 

A new parking garage is set to open that will add 500 spaces in the urban core.

 

The city of Cincinnati and Cincinnati Center City Development Corp. will open the Eighth and Sycamore garage at midnight on Monday, Aug. 1 in anticipation of traffic as commuters make their way to work.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/07/29/new-downtown-cincinnati-parking-garage-sets.html

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IKWYM chinkley.  One thing I love about photos of old downtown is seeing rows of narrower-scaled buildings lining the streets, each one different from the next.  That's one reason why historic preservation is so important, since it's close to a full century now since development of that sort occurred.  But preceding this new building, the block along Sycamore between Eighth and Seventh Streets was pretty dead as far as pedestrian traffic goes, and it was just two buildings -- the Red Cross (which didn't attract many visitors at all) next to an ugly old city parking garage.  The commercial space in the new building will probably/hopefully create a lot more vitality, at least in comparison.

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I'm starting to lament the proliferation of block-sized buildings that don't add much variation to our street life.

 

I think this sums up why we are seeing so much revitalization in OTR but not as much downtown. (And other cities are seeing a similar phenomena.) People enjoy being in OTR-like neighborhoods with human-scale development. The Central Business District concept where everything was demolished to make way for massive skyscrapers, stadiums, and convention centers does not result in a pleasant environment where as many people want to live. Sure, it appeals to some people, but not as many as neighborhoods like OTR, Northside, Pleasant Ridge, etc.

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I'm starting to lament the proliferation of block-sized buildings that don't add much variation to our street life.

 

Something to think about also is that while I agree with you on the statement of city life this area used to be full of single purpose, block sized industrial buildings vs the the more mixed and smaller sized OTR area. Perhaps that quiet lack of street action will play well to people wanting a quiet neighborhood free of the outside foot traffic a more street oriented area has. Good to have some variety to satisfy all needs and while the block sized monoliths may be way overscaled and out of place in OTR this might be the area where they make more sense (just wish more of the older industrial spaces survived).

 

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I'm counting 7 stories to go, each big block of windows you see in the 3CDC rendering is actually two floors. If you look at the smaller square windows in the Al Neyer provided rendering the number of floors is more clear.

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It's getting up there! 

 

The hotel on the opposite side of this development has an unusual exterior -- a combination of dark brick with field stone accents.

 

It is such a shame that they slapped the stone facade onto the pillars at the base.  If they simply continued the dark brick through to the base of the building it would look good. 

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This is starting to rise up a bit on the skyline driving north from Kentucky on I-471

 

I was thinking how good the Skyhouse project would have looked if it was going through on that skyline from that angle.

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