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15 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

^ Cleveland Construction

 

Oh lord.  What experience do they have in new construction highrise?  From the website it looks like they built a 20 story court building in Florida...   That's somewhat troubling to me.  Means the big boys either passed or were too busy.

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3 minutes ago, gottaplan said:

 

Oh lord.  What experience do they have in new construction highrise?  From the website it looks like they built a 20 story court building in Florida...   That's somewhat troubling to me.  Means the big boys either passed or were too busy.

 

^ Nonsense

 

https://www.clevelandconstruction.com/projects/hospitality/

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5 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

While Cleveland Construction has some labor issues, it's not the supply kind. They treat their workers poorly, but they do have them. They're a national company and can move workers around as needed. From everything I've heard about this project, there is no need for doom and gloom. I'm hoping for some more news this week or early next week.

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40 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

^ Cleveland Construction

This will most likely be a Cleveland Construction run project with Arbor as the GC.  Course neither one of them have contracts yet so who knows.  

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Im not really familiar with this project, but out of pure work boredom caught up on most of the 65 pages

 

 

My only question is how is their 65 pages of comments on a 5 year project that has yet to even break ground, let alone have any construction equipment on the site...

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2 minutes ago, troeros said:

Im not really familiar with this project, but out of pure work boredom caught up on most of the 65 pages

 

 

My only question is how is their 65 pages of comments on a 5 year project that has yet to even break ground, let alone have any construction equipment on the site...

You just described urbanohio

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2 minutes ago, troeros said:

Im not really familiar with this project, but out of pure work boredom caught up on most of the 65 pages

 

 

My only question is how is their 65 pages of comments on a 5 year project that has yet to even break ground, let alone have any construction equipment on the site...

 

2 minutes ago, troeros said:

Im not really familiar with this project, but out of pure work boredom caught up on most of the 65 pages

 

 

My only question is how is their 65 pages of comments on a 5 year project that has yet to even break ground, let alone have any construction equipment on the site...

Well this post sure put a smile on my face

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2 minutes ago, troeros said:

Im not really familiar with this project, but out of pure work boredom caught up on most of the 65 pages

 

 

My only question is how is their 65 pages of comments on a 5 year project that has yet to even break ground, let alone have any construction equipment on the site...

Easy. It's a 1. massive proposal of 2. an architecturally polarizing design  by 3. a controversial and flamboyant developer in 4. a city that's desperate for such things. 

 

It's a perfect storm.

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6 minutes ago, troeros said:

Im not really familiar with this project, but out of pure work boredom caught up on most of the 65 pages

 

 

My only question is how is their 65 pages of comments on a 5 year project that has yet to even break ground, let alone have any construction equipment on the site...

 

Check out the Flats East Bank thread. Look at how much discussion we had on that before ground was broken.

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2 minutes ago, surfohio said:

Easy. It's a 1. massive proposal of 2. an architecturally polarizing design  by 3. a controversial and flamboyant developer in 4. a city that's desperate for such things. 

 

It's a perfect storm.

I will grant you number 1.  Don't think 2-4 are delay factors or even correct.  The big nut you did not mention:  The need for creative financing in Cleveland which really must be a work of art compared to other cities.

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1 minute ago, Htsguy said:

I will grant you number 1.  Don't think 2-4 are delay factors or even correct.  The big nut you did not mention:  The need for creative financing in Cleveland which really must be a work of art compared to other cities.

I never mentioned these were the delay factors. Just that they're interesting points that fostered a lot of discussion. 

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4 minutes ago, surfohio said:

I never mentioned these were the delay factors. Just that they're interesting points that fostered a lot of discussion. 

OK, got it.

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Nucleus+demos-Oct2018.jpg

 

FRIDAY, JULY 12, 2019

Demolition for NuCLEus to start by mid-August

 

Two sources confirm that demolition is slated to begin by mid-August for the nuCLEus development in downtown Cleveland. While there is no news yet of a groundbreaking date for the $354 million development led by Stark Enterprises, most signals appear to be green for building the mixed-use project. But there are still some yellow signals, too.

NuCLEus will feature two 24-story towers, one with offices and the other with residential built atop a pedestal of parking and retail.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/07/demolition-for-nucleus-to-start-by-mid.html

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23 minutes ago, KJP said:

Nucleus+demos-Oct2018.jpg

 

FRIDAY, JULY 12, 2019

Demolition for NuCLEus to start by mid-August

 

Two sources confirm that demolition is slated to begin by mid-August for the nuCLEus development in downtown Cleveland. While there is no news yet of a groundbreaking date for the $354 million development led by Stark Enterprises, most signals appear to be green for building the mixed-use project. But there are still some yellow signals, too.

NuCLEus will feature two 24-story towers, one with offices and the other with residential built atop a pedestal of parking and retail.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/07/demolition-for-nucleus-to-start-by-mid.html

KJP the purported demolition of the Herold Building is new and disturbing.  The city fought tooth and nail to prevent its demo 5 years ago and in fact that whole legal battle is probably what forced those California investors to sell to Stark in the first place.  Rather than at least make some minor efforts to shore up the building it looks like Stark just let it deteriorate further.  I am not a happy camper.

 

Is the city just going to let him now expand that parking lot it borders on 4th?  Doesn't he have to have a development plan in order to use it temporarily for parking?

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4 hours ago, Htsguy said:

Doesn't he have to have a development plan in order to use it temporarily for parking?

 

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I agree- it shouldn't be demoed.

 

However, it's hard to imagine that the newly combined lot would stay vacant for "long". With the renovation of the arena, existing E4th attractions, Casino, a built-out Nucleus, and other new residences all in such close proximity, could it not be argued that this newly combined lot becomes one of the most highly valued pieces of real estate in downtown Cleveland?

 

As it sits today, it just seems that it's too small to attract much interest for anything more than a parking lot, but when combined - the possibilies seem endless.  Perhaps Stark is already planning for Nucleus phase 2.

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3 minutes ago, West153 said:

I agree- it shouldn't be demoed.

 

However, it's hard to imagine that the newly combined lot would stay vacant for "long". With the renovation of the arena, existing E4th attractions, Casino, a built-out Nucleus, and other new residences all in such close proximity, could it not be argued that this newly combined lot becomes one of the most highly valued pieces of real estate in downtown Cleveland?

 

As it sits today, it just seems that it's too small to attract much interest for anything more than a parking lot, but when combined - the possibilies seem endless.  Perhaps Stark is already planning for Nucleus phase 2.

Actually I can provide you a list of valuable lots that have stayed vacant for years (like 30 or more) after demo, none more glaring than on Public Square.  In fact with all the nearby attractions you list it could be argued that this makes it a highly valued piece of real estate for parking more than anything else. 

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9 minutes ago, West153 said:

I agree- it shouldn't be demoed.

 

However, it's hard to imagine that the newly combined lot would stay vacant for "long". With the renovation of the arena, existing E4th attractions, Casino, a built-out Nucleus, and other new residences all in such close proximity, could it not be argued that this newly combined lot becomes one of the most highly valued pieces of real estate in downtown Cleveland?

 

As it sits today, it just seems that it's too small to attract much interest for anything more than a parking lot, but when combined - the possibilies seem endless.  Perhaps Stark is already planning for Nucleus phase 2.

Starks track record of getting developments off the ground at least Downtown is spotty at best. I wouldn't hold my breath that it gets filled soon.

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Loving the steady line of new construction. Now work on the ground breaking of next one before this gets completed. Heck make it five, Geis ,, (City Club)??, Lakefront and Sherwin Williams headquarters at Jacobs lot!

 

**Hurry up before next recession!

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On 7/13/2019 at 12:30 PM, Mildtraumatic said:

Loving the steady line of new construction. Now work on the ground breaking of next one before this gets completed. Heck make it five, Geis , Sherwin Williams, (City Club)??, Lakefront and headquarters at Jacobs lot!

 

**Hurry up before next recession!

Isn't Sherwin Williams & Headquarters at Jacobs lot the same project

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3 hours ago, simplythis said:

Isn't Sherwin Williams & Headquarters at Jacobs lot the same project

Typo sorry but no one knows for sure where their headquarters will be.

 

 

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Pre-demolition photo-documenting the site

MrAlbertsProspectAve-071519s.jpg

 

nucleussite-071519-2s.jpg

 

300blockProspect-southside-071519s.jpg

 

nucleussite-071519-1s.jpg

 

nucleussite-huronparkingdeck-071519s.jpg

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36 minutes ago, Terdolph said:

I have a bad feeling about this project.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if all we end up with is two parking lots.

 

Forever and ever?? Stop acting like a beaten-down victim. If this project doesn't happen, then there will be another. So what? You didn't invest anything.

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Forever and ever?? Stop acting like a beaten-down victim. If this project doesn't happen, then there will be another. So what? You didn't invest anything.

Didn't know that opinions and comments were not welcome here.

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It is super, super annoying when people just do the Eeyore complaining without adding any actual information to the discussion.

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I still don't understand why they have to demo that building now if it's not in the way of the planned towers.

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17 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Forever and ever?? Stop acting like a beaten-down victim. If this project doesn't happen, then there will be another. So what? You didn't invest anything.

KJP, I think it is valid to have misgivings about this project. It would be more accurate to say that, if this project doesn't happen, then there may be another, though it may not be during any of our lifetimes.

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3 minutes ago, Vincent_G said:

KJP, I think it is valid to have misgivings about this project. It would be more accurate to say that, if this project doesn't happen, then there may be another, though it may not be during any of our lifetimes.

 

Accurate. So many times... So many damn times, a developer will over promise and under deliver. It's normal to be skeptical. 

 

It happens all the time in Cincy. Developer will promise this extravagant development, demolish a few beautiful historic structures, and what we end up with are parking lots and broken promises. 

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4 minutes ago, Vincent_G said:

KJP, I think it is valid to have misgivings about this project. It would be more accurate to say that, if this project doesn't happen, then there may be another, though it may not be during any of our lifetimes.

Misgivings about the project itself or whether it will ever come to be?  Like @X posted above, it is annoying when one just blurts out a "misgiving" without providing some facts in support of the statement {based on inside information or not) or even speculates so that other forum members can rationally consider the information  or opinion and hopefully respond in order to foster discussions.

 

To childishly simple state "this won't happen" is just plain annoying.

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4 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Accurate. So many times... So many damn times, a developer will over promise and under deliver. It's normal to be skeptical. 

 

It happens all the time in Cincy. Developer will promise this extravagant development, demolish a few beautiful historic structures, and what we end up with are parking lots and broken promises. 

There 65 pages of skepticism in this thread regarding Stark as a developer and Nucleus as a viable project.   Much of it very legit.   However, based on statements of people possibly in the know (including @KJP who is usually on top of things) we may actually finally be beyond that point.  I guess we will know for sure in a month or so.

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