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"We poisoned your drinking water, and we feel entitled to do it again"  - Maumee River Watershed farmers

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My wife (then fiance) was in grad school at Toledo for 2 years during the height of the algae bloom issue.  I visited during some of the water shutoff times in 2014 and 2015. The entire time I visited those summers, I was wondering to myself, why would anyone live in a place that has no access to tap water for a week every summer? (not even mentioning how wary I was when the water even when bans were not in effect)

 

She loved Toledo, and I actually like the city too, but I told her the biggest reason I was staying in Cinci and not moving to Toledo after she graduated wasn't the snow, it was the ridiculous notion that I don't know how clean my water is at any given time in the summer and may be asked to not even use it. That's unacceptable.

 

I'm glad this passed, but the fact that it will get shot down in the court is disappointing.  I guarantee you Toledo is a much more attractive place to live to potential outsiders if this mess gets cleaned up. 

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Shouldn't access to clean water be a right?  I would think that is far more important than an individual farmer's right to pollute. Farmers should be no different than any other industry- adapt or die. 

All that said, the current political environment is as toxic as Lake Erie is to environmental concerns, so one way or another, this law is going to be struck down.

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Not sure if this belongs here. Please suggest another thread if it doesn't. Regardless, I never thought I would see the day.....

 

Cuyahoga River fish safe to eat, Ohio EPA says

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/03/cuyahoga-river-fish-safe-to-eat-ohio-epa-says.html


"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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Some national love...

 

Fish from Ohio's Cuyahoga River, Which Famously Caught Fire, Now Safe to Eat, EPA Says

https://weather.com/news/news/2019-03-19-cuyahoga-river-fish-safe-to-eat-epa-says


"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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18 hours ago, KJP said:

Some national love...

 

Fish from Ohio's Cuyahoga River, Which Famously Caught Fire, Now Safe to Eat, EPA Says

https://weather.com/news/news/2019-03-19-cuyahoga-river-fish-safe-to-eat-epa-says

The state of our river was an inspiration for the creation of the EPA in 1970; it's oddly satisfying that 50 years after the last fire, some of that overhanging stigma tied to the river/region/city is being lifted. 


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Is there any reason to believe the Ohio EPA given the way the statehouse is run? Are they credible? Serious question.

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Yearly Algae Forecast Looks Bad for Lake Erie

 

Last week, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced that Lake Erie could expect a larger than usual toxic algae bloom this summer. The potential bloom is likely to be more severe than last year, and perhaps on par with some of the blooms that have plagued the lakeside communities in recent years.

 

“Algae” is a catchall term for a group of extremely simple, photosynthetic organisms that live in freshwater and in the ocean. Typically, algae are harmless, but occasionally a colony of algae can explode in size, releasing toxins that can be dangerous to plant, animal and sometimes human life. Even if a species of algae is not toxic, the sudden death and decay of huge amounts of algae can lower the water’s oxygen level. NOAA calls these algae explosions harmful algal blooms or HABs.

 

NOAA is able to forecast the severity of the HAB in Lake Erie because such blooms are fueled by runoff pollution. Runoff is another catchall term referring to what happens when rainwater collects different materials and substances in the ground and carries them to the nearest waterway, which eventually empties into Lake Erie. In the case of algae, the most significant runoff is manure and fertilizer spread on acres of farmland in the Erie watershed. All of that fertilizer is designed, of course, to help plants grow, and that includes algae. When fertilizer runoff hits the Lake, it supercharges the algae bloom.

 

More below:

https://www.columbusunderground.com/yearly-algae-forecast-looks-bad-for-lake-erie-jb1

 

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Not really restoration, and sort of environmental, but interesting none the less! 

 

How much extra water is in Lake Erie now at its record high? - 79 days of flow over Niagara Falls

 

https://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/2019/06/how-much-extra-water-is-in-record-high-lake-erie-79-days-of-flow-over-niagara-falls.html?utm_campaign=clevelanddotcom_sf&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR0XtV5KAi_y5E-_YlXd_iXzmkaFYUZ8pShJMFXdknlsq-7L5HEiR5FsmYE

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On 5/16/2019 at 4:53 PM, ColDayMan said:

Yearly Algae Forecast Looks Bad for Lake Erie

 

Last week, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced that Lake Erie could expect a larger than usual toxic algae bloom this summer. The potential bloom is likely to be more severe than last year, and perhaps on par with some of the blooms that have plagued the lakeside communities in recent years.

 

I don't really see this being the case anymore this year because barely any farmers in northern Ohio planted corn.  Corn gets the biggest dose of fertilizers which runoff contributes to algae bloom.  Still other triggers like animal manure runoff but the corn crop has been major contributor.

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19 minutes ago, gottaplan said:

I don't really see this being the case anymore this year because barely any farmers in northern Ohio planted corn.  Corn gets the biggest dose of fertilizers which runoff contributes to algae bloom.  Still other triggers like animal manure runoff but the corn crop has been major contributor.

That is interesting to know.  What are they growing now instead of corn? Why have they moved from planting corn?

 

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3 hours ago, freefourur said:

That is interesting to know.  What are they growing now instead of corn? Why have they moved from planting corn?

 

 

it's the rainiest season in over 30 years.  Corn needs to be planted by early May to be mature at harvest in spring.  For much of the midwest, corn crop is about 20% or less than what is typically planted.  It's pretty much past planting time for soybeans now also.

 

Many farmers are taking a major hit this year putting any crop out at this point - very likely to not even cover costs of fuel, seed, equipment, etc.  Some farmers I know are considering taking an insurance claim for "no crop" which is not much at all but it's better than spending money and effort to plant soybeans and risking a bad crop and low prices...

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4 hours ago, freefourur said:

That is interesting to know.  What are they growing now instead of corn? Why have they moved from planting corn?

 

 

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Here are some U.S. Department of Agriculture figures about Ohio, which hasn’t even taken the brunt of the nation’s flooding:

■ As of June 2 only 33 percent of Ohio’s corn acreage and 18 percent of the state’s soybean acreage had been planted.

■ By this time of year, at least 90 percent of corn should have been planted, and 79 percent of soybeans should have been planted. And that’s based only on the most recent five-year average. Years ago plantings were made much earlier in the spring.

■ Ohio’s whopping 57 percent deviation from its most recent average for corn is second only to Indiana’s 63 percent deviation. Numerous other states have fallen far off pace, as well, because of soaked fields that haven’t been able to dry out enough to plant.

■ Ohio was down 61 percent from its most recent five-year average for planting soybeans as of June 2.

It’s important to note those are statewide averages, skewed upward by more central and southern Ohio farmers able to get into their fields than those in other parts of the state.

https://www.toledoblade.com/business/agriculture/2019/06/08/2019-corn-crop-could-be-a-wash/stories/20190607146

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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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