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Does anyone knows about this project?

 

It's on the Agenda for October 4, 2019 for the Planning Commission:

 

NW2019-018 - Renovation of a 1-Story Commercial Building: Seeking Schematic Design Approval 
Project Address: 3201 West 25th Street
Project Representative: T. Michael Tomsik, Tomsik & Tomsik

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It looks like the renovation of the J Spang Baking Company building is nearing completion. A few units are listed as available now and a bunch more are listed as available starting November 1st.

Their website is up at bvqlofts.com

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14 hours ago, tykaps said:

It looks like the renovation of the J Spang Baking Company building is nearing completion. A few units are listed as available now and a bunch more are listed as available starting November 1st.

Their website is up at bvqlofts.com

 

Besides the 69 apartments in the main building, they will also be building six TOWNHOUSES on the Vega Avenue side of the project too!!

This will really improve that part of Vega Avenue, which is next to the I-90 on ramp.

 

And the one bedroom rentals start at only $745 a month plus utilities. 

 

Doubles from $1,150 a month plus utilities.

 

Triples from $2,175 a month plus utilities.

 

Parking is extra.

 

Some of the amenities listed on their website:

 

Gigabit Wi-Fi Internet Service 

 

Controlled Access Entry

 

Two Elevators & Wheelchair Lift

 

Fitness Center

 

Community Room

 

Bicycle Storage Room

 

Pet Wash

 

Package Service

 

Extensive Native-Plant Landscaping

 

100% On-Site Stormwater Management (No Rainwater To Public Sewer)

 

Plus the new Tappen Apartment Building   which will include a Bakery is just down the street at Barber & Scranton Avenues too.

 

 

 

 

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On 7/4/2019 at 9:02 PM, Boomerang_Brian said:

Q&A: Avoiding Isolation Will Be Key For MetroHealth’s New Housing Project

 

https://wcpn.ideastream.org/news/qa-avoiding-isolation-will-be-key-for-metrohealth-s-new-housing-project

 

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AUTHOR

Anne Glausser

PUBLISHED July 3, 2019 

MetroHealth recently announced it will invest $60 million in a new mixed-income housing community in the Clark-Fulton neighborhood on Cleveland's West Side

 

Not to be confused with NRP's Metro South" housing at the old YMCA site in Brooklyn Centre (which also is on Design-Review's docket right now).....

 

Near West Design Review Case Report

METRO NORTH NRP

 Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format)

Project Information

Near West Case #  NW 2019-037

Address:3400 West 25th Street

Company:NRP Group

Architect:

Description:

New construction, approximately 70 unit mixed use income restricted housing unit development.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3374&CASE=NW 2019-037

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Interestingly, it appears that this building will be fronting on the small alley, not on the wonderful new grass moat park that MetroHealth is building between itself and W. 25th St.  Instead, the new "park" will get the parking lot and a substation (with screening!) along its frontage.  They don't seem to have any faith in their park.  Or, don't know or care how to plan a cohesive urban neighborhood.

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2 hours ago, X said:

Or, don't know or care how to plan a cohesive urban neighborhood.

For as much as NRP builds and for as much as I love them for doing that, they aren't exactly the best when it comes to urbanist design. From what I've seen, it only works out well when someone else behind the development pushes them towards urbanism. Look at the original Scranton Peninsula plan to see how bad they are at it. And then look at Slavic Village Gateway, the difference being that University Settlement and SVD specifically pushed for urbanism.

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Which is ironic because NRP recognizes that the biggest growth market is in urban housing, hence their reasoning for wanting to move downtown to take a deeper dive into urbanism. 


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But they’d have to have a non-90 degree L-shape in the building if they fronted the building towards the park!!!

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I've always been told that non 90 degree angle floorplans makes construction somewhat more difficult, and therefore somewhat more expensive.  But I don't know the truth of that.  And always holding to that constraint makes anything but the most bland urban design impossible.

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Ben Beckman, investor behind the J. Spang Bakery conversion to apartments appears to be purchasing vacant land north of Barber Ave around w 32nd Pl. A good sign that the apartments are selling well and that he may be pursuing new construction in the area.

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5 hours ago, infrafreak said:

 

Is that ground floor retail/commercial space?

About 16k sq ft set aside for retail/office!

 

Also wanna point out this pic:

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It's the future plans and it shows a third and fourth apartment building eventually. Metro North fronting on the side street also makes more sense now with the plan for another building.

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City Planning Commission OKs early designs for mixed-use projects near MetroHealth campus

Updated 1:54 PM
By Jordyn Grzelewski, The Plain Dealer

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio — A plan to build new housing for Clark-Fulton residents and people who work at the MetroHealth System took a step forward with the approval of early designs by the city’s planning commission.

 

The commission on Friday approved schematic design plans for a mixed-use building that developer NRP Group, in partnership with MetroHealth, plans to build at 3400 West 25th St., across from the health system’s main campus on the near West Side.
 

Developers plan to use the first floor of the market-rate development to support a small business such as a grocery store, Zucca said. “We are not looking for a national chain,” he said.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/12/city-planning-commission-oks-early-designs-for-mixed-use-projects-near-metrohealth-campus.html

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Cross-posted in the Tremont thread.......

 

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SUNDAY, DECEMBER 29, 2019

25 on 25: twenty-five developments along/near West 25th

 

If it seems like there's been a lot of news lately about developments along West 25th Street between the Cleveland neighborhoods of Ohio City and Brooklyn Center, you're right. And there's more to come in that 2.5-mile-long corridor.

A rough count of development projects recently completed, underway or planned in this corridor reveals 25 notable real estate construction or renovation investments valued or potentially valued at more than $1 million. In total, it features up to 1,700 housing units and hundreds of thousands of square feet of new commercial space.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/12/25-on-25-twenty-five-developments.html

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MetroHealth transformation plan nets eyesore

 

Big plans are afoot for MetroHealth's CCH Development Corp. and NRP Group of Cleveland to build a proposed $15 million mixed-use apartment complex in Cleveland's Clark-Fulton neighborhood, but CCH is also undertaking a smaller step nearby.

 

CCH acquired a decrepit three-story apartment building dating from 1890 at 3369 W. 30th St. as part of its revitalization efforts, according to Greg Zucca, CCH executive director and MetroHealth's director of economic and community transformation. NRP is a Cleveland-based apartment devedeveloper that has operations nationwide.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/metrohealth-transformation-plan-nets-eyesore

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Disappointed to see the building get the wrecking ball; it looks like it has some character. No one quoted seems to be mourning its loss, however... Glad that the land will be redeveloped right away and not left to be reclaimed by nature. With all of the planned development in the area, I can only imagine what the neighborhood will look like 5 or 10 years from now.

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

MetroHealth transformation plan nets eyesore

 

Big plans are afoot for MetroHealth's CCH Development Corp. and NRP Group of Cleveland to build a proposed $15 million mixed-use apartment complex in Cleveland's Clark-Fulton neighborhood, but CCH is also undertaking a smaller step nearby.

 

CCH acquired a decrepit three-story apartment building dating from 1890 at 3369 W. 30th St. as part of its revitalization efforts, according to Greg Zucca, CCH executive director and MetroHealth's director of economic and community transformation. NRP is a Cleveland-based apartment devedeveloper that has operations nationwide.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/metrohealth-transformation-plan-nets-eyesore

I'm not a fan of this plan. I love buildings like this and the character as well as presence they bring is irreplaceable. 

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5 hours ago, KJP said:

MetroHealth transformation plan nets eyesore

 

Big plans are afoot for MetroHealth's CCH Development Corp. and NRP Group of Cleveland to build a proposed $15 million mixed-use apartment complex in Cleveland's Clark-Fulton neighborhood, but CCH is also undertaking a smaller step nearby.

 

CCH acquired a decrepit three-story apartment building dating from 1890 at 3369 W. 30th St. as part of its revitalization efforts, according to Greg Zucca, CCH executive director and MetroHealth's director of economic and community transformation. NRP is a Cleveland-based apartment devedeveloper that has operations nationwide.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/metrohealth-transformation-plan-nets-eyesore

 

Google Earth's Streetview image of this building is from May, 2019 and it appears to be occupied and in good shape save the cheaply built wooden fire escapes along the back of the building.  It's a shame we're losing this sort of historic building stock.

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On 1/19/2020 at 2:06 PM, X said:

 

Google Earth's Streetview image of this building is from May, 2019 and it appears to be occupied and in good shape save the cheaply built wooden fire escapes along the back of the building.  It's a shame we're losing this sort of historic building stock.

Agee. Horrible to lose this type of building. 

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^if what was replacing it was 5 stories taller we may all like it more. As it stands it's trading one building for another of roughly the same size.

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Moving forward on NRP Group's Metro North Apartments

 

Board of Zoning Appeals

MARCH 9, 2020

 

9:30 Calendar No. 20-033: 3331-3343 W. 25th Street Ward 14 Jasmine Santana 25 Notices CCH Development, owner, and NRP Properties propose to erect a 4 story 72 unit apartment building in a C1 Industrial Research Zoning District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: 1. Section 357.08 which states that a 60' setback is required; 10' setback is proposed. 2. Section 349.04 which states that 72 parking spaces are required at the rate of one per unit; 38 spaces proposed. 3. Section 349.15 which states that 4 bicycle parking spaces required; none proposed. 4. Section 341.02(b) which states that CPC approval is required. (Filed February 4, 2020)

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4 hours ago, KJP said:

 

It's been shown numerous times that Cleveland and other midwest cities have not experienced the negative effects of gentrification that NYC and SF experience. No one in there right mind would argue that Ohio City in the 80s and 90s was a better place compared to today. Gentrification is one of the few, if not only, way Cleveland neighborhoods are going to turn around. 

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37 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

It's been shown numerous times that Cleveland and other midwest cities have not experienced the negative effects of gentrification that NYC and SF experience. No one in there right mind would argue that Ohio City in the 80s and 90s was a better place compared to today. Gentrification is one of the few, if not only, way Cleveland neighborhoods are going to turn around. 

It's not a 100% positive in Cleveland. There has been a lot of displacement on the west side especially of poor Latino communities. The Puerto Rican community in Detroit Shoreway has been almost completely wiped out. We are also seeing elderly fixed income residents forced out by their property taxes increasing 40%+.

 

I am not anti development but I want it to be done responsibly. The best way to do that is to have community involvement in the development and to not have a situation where the developer reaps all the profits and leaves the residents holding the bag.

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SO how about metro-stockyards? 

 

I keep checking this thread (similar to OC thread a while ago) for news on developments but instead come back to more irrelevant talk that is probably better suited to another thread on here. 

 

The forum has been good about preventing threads from getting locked, but damn, can't y'all have discourse somewhere more appropriate?

 

Edit: Whoa, low and behold there's a thread for this!

 

 

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Cross-posted in the MetroHealth Medical Center thread....

 

 

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It's too bad Chuck Columbo built that Family Dollar before this is old gem is due to be renovated. A new multi-story building at the corner of West 65 and Clark -- that didn't turn its back on the intersection -- and had a Family Dollar on the ground floor would have been 1,000 times better.

 

BTW, what's the story with that 1914 picture of the brewery in the CPC's PDF? There's a postcard from 1901 that shows a much larger building on the corner. Was it only a rendering? Or was demolished by 1914?

 

 

Pilsner Brewing Co-1914-CPC.JPG

Here's the postcard. This is the only size I could find that was a "straight-on" view. I'm waiting to hear if a collector I know has a larger/high-res version.

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This was on E-bay

 

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I found this c1905-10 view looking north on West 65th toward the new underpass below the railroad with the Pilsner Brewing Co. on the left. This is before streetcar service on West 65th began in 1910, likely coinciding with completion of this underpass....

Pilsner Brewing Co-1900.jpg

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11 hours ago, KJP said:

It's too bad Chuck Columbo built that Family Dollar before this is old gem is due to be renovated. A new multi-story building at the corner of West 65 and Clark -- that didn't turn its back on the intersection -- and had a Family Dollar on the ground floor would have been 1,000 times better.

 

BTW, what's the story with that 1914 picture of the brewery in the CPC's PDF? There's a postcard from 1901 that shows a much larger building on the corner. Was it only a rendering? Or was demolished by 1914?

 

 

 

Here's the postcard. This is the only size I could find that was a "straight-on" view. I'm waiting to hear if a collector I know has a larger/high-res version.

 

 

This was on E-bay

 

 

 

I found this c1905-10 view looking north on West 65th toward the new underpass below the railroad with the Pilsner Brewing Co. on the left. This is before streetcar service on West 65th began in 1910, likely coinciding with completion of this underpass....

 

 

I doubt a building up to the street curb was ever built at the SW intersection of clark and 65th. In the early 20s, no building at the corner - https://cplorg.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4014coll24/id/272

Below is a crop of the hopkins map from the early 20s.

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By 1932, there was already a gas station on the corner... https://cplorg.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4014coll24/id/5194/rec/16

 

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The last photo I posted sure looks like the building that's in the postcard, especially the clerestory up top.


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I used to work in that building when it was the offices for the Stockyards CDC. It’s an awesome old building with a few cool art nouveau details. 

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Pilsner+Square-CPC-2.JPG

 

MONDAY, JUNE 1, 2020

Seeds & Sprouts VII - Early intel on real estate projects

 

Pilsener Square housing project advances

 

The adaptive reuse of the long-closed Pilsener Brewing Co., 6605 Clark Ave., was bolstered by Cleveland's City Planning Commission awarding landmark status to the historic building May 15. However, the project missed the latest opportunity to win a $817,050 competitive New Affordability tax credit from the Ohio Housing Finance Agency.

The landmark designation will position the $8.5 million project to win potentially large historic tax credits from the state and/or federal governments to restore and convert the building into 39 apartments. The brewery was constructed in 1894 and was expanded rapidly with additional structures that are no longer standing. The company which brewed P.O.C. beer and other brands closed in 1984.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/06/seeds-sprouts-vii-early-intel-on-real.html

 

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Metro North new images from the CPC meeting today and a big sorry to Joanne but your pic was in the way of the stream.

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Compare to the very early design from late last year:

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I liked the old design better. The W25th side with the flat roof still looks fine, but the rest of it looks like a suburban/airport style 2 star hotel that could be anywhere. 

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Construction due to start on Metro Gateway North Apartments, 3400 West 25th St, 30-60 days after all subcontractor bids are received by the general contractor on July 14. So we're looking at mid-August to mid-September for a groundbreaking here.

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