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Just the tip of the iceberg for this area...
 

 

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1 hour ago, KJP said:
Just the tip of the iceberg for this area...
 

 

From your perspective, @KJP (or anyone else who's lived here long enough to see the rapid transformation of some of the hot neighborhoods), did Tremont/Ohio City/D-S look like this neighborhood before things really took off? Then again, I guess Duck Island did. What do you think it would take for investment to jump across I90 and off W25 into the neighborhood(s)? I know La Villa Hispana is in the mix, but is that enough to begin a neighborhood transformation? It's entirely a personal opinion, but it doesn't strike me as a great neighborhood at the moment (very little tree cover on streets, housing stock is probably worse than Tremont(?), the central ave (Clark) is littered with strip mall development, and weird layout, etc.). 

 

I'm rambling, and in that am probably being shortsighted, but am also trying to get some perspective as to how other neighborhoods sparked and got to where they are now with this particular one in mind.

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13 minutes ago, GISguy said:

From your perspective, @KJP (or anyone else who's lived here long enough to see the rapid transformation of some of the hot neighborhoods), did Tremont/Ohio City/D-S look like this neighborhood before things really took off? Then again, I guess Duck Island did. What do you think it would take for investment to jump across I90 and off W25 into the neighborhood(s)? I know La Villa Hispana is in the mix, but is that enough to begin a neighborhood transformation? It's entirely a personal opinion, but it doesn't strike me as a great neighborhood at the moment (very little tree cover on streets, housing stock is probably worse than Tremont(?), the central ave (Clark) is littered with strip mall development, and weird layout, etc.). 

 

I'm rambling, and in that am probably being shortsighted, but am also trying to get some perspective as to how other neighborhoods sparked and got to where they are now with this particular one in mind.

 

In other words...."Hey old guys, whaddya think??"  😉😉 

 

If you go to YouTube and search "Tremont 1995" the first two videos that come up are worth watching. The "driving around the streets" video is better, IMHO.

 

Investment is starting to jump across I-90 but will stay close to West 25th (and Scranton) for a while. I'm aware of some development efforts in this area that haven't been publicized because they're aren't ready yet. But others are known, like the bakery conversion listed above, or Wagner Awning/Tappan on Scranton. And the investments that Nestle made shouldn't be overlooked either (although their windowless bunker is awful). Unfortunately, except for El Porco, there aren't any restaurants or coffee shops within a short walk for workers to visit.

 

There's been so much demolition within a few blocks of West 25th, between Ohio City and La Villa Hispana, that it's probably an opportunity to completely reboot the neighborhood and start over. 

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Except for area circled in Ohio City, the rest of Ohio City, Detroit Shoreway, and Tremont were VERY similar to the Clark-Fulton well into the 1990s.  Those areas had a handful of bar/club hotspots for the few proto-hipsters living in the city, but you were VERY aware of your surroundings when you went to them.   It never ceases to amaze me how far these areas have come.  For instance, you NEVER took a left out of Treehouse.  I witnessed inner-city street brawls at the sole "decent" bar at W. 65th and Detroit -- there was a porn shop at or near Luxe. Until about 10 years ago, Lorain Avenue past Ignatius was littered with hookers.  These were NOT nice neighborhoods, at all.

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On 6/21/2019 at 9:28 AM, MyTwoSense said:

These infill project are so important to revitalizing and energizing neighborhoods.  They lead to more investment and services.  I hope this is executed and developed.  Clark Fulton, is the next area to boom, similar to D-S.  There is also the possibility that Clark and D-S will grow, north and South, not just west.

I'm fairly certain a once prolific UO'er is behind this one. I'll reach out to him. 

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To be clear, Lorain Ave up around 50th is still frequented by hookers, but I digress...

 

its been amazing to see cleveland change even in the few the few years I’ve lived here

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On 6/26/2019 at 3:51 PM, CbusTransit said:

To be clear, Lorain Ave up around 50th is still frequented by hookers, but I digress...

 

its been amazing to see cleveland change even in the few the few years I’ve lived here

Wow!  Thanks for the tip!

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This is fantastic news, and will help spread the vitality of Ohio City and Tremont south along West 25th toward the hospital and zoo. Other projects, including in La Villa Hispana, are coming to help fill in the areas in between. This was once one of Cleveland's seediest districts.

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Very impressive! They are not only investing in the hospital but the neighborhood  surrounding it. Giving incentives to their employees to encourage them to live in the city; love it!

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21 minutes ago, Florida Guy said:

Very impressive! They are not only investing in the hospital but the neighborhood  surrounding it. Giving incentives to their employees to encourage them to live in the city; love it!

 

I heard some amazing stats yesterday by a medical facilities developer who said that 78,000 people in Cleveland's healthcare field will be retiring in the next decade or so. Those jobs have to be filled, many by people currently living outside the metro area or outside the USA. Finding them temporary housing near their healthcare workplaces will be important. Glad to see at least one Cleveland-area healthcare giant is taking on this big challenge in a big way.

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Wow, that's a huge number.  And if a lot of those people are younger, they may be more inclined to look for housing in the city.

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There's a lot of property changing hands along West 25th/Scranton between Ohio City/Tremont and MetroHealth. Just the area north of I-90 along West 25th is going to be completely different in the coming years. The street right of way will have to be redesigned to improve the pedestrian/bike connectivity between this area and Ohio City. West 25th doesn't need to be four lanes north of I-90 into Ohio City. Sacrifice one lane to a wider sidewalk/protected bike lane across the bridges over the railroad tracks/Train Ave/Walworth Run.

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1 hour ago, KJP said:

There's a lot of property changing hands along West 25th/Scranton between Ohio City/Tremont and MetroHealth. Just the area north of I-90 along West 25th is going to be completely different in the coming years. The street right of way will have to be redesigned to improve the pedestrian/bike connectivity between this area and Ohio City. West 25th doesn't need to be four lanes north of I-90 into Ohio City. Sacrifice one lane to a wider sidewalk/protected bike lane across the bridges over the railroad tracks/Train Ave/Walworth Run.

 

Totally agree.  A big reason why that stretch of road feels so uninviting is that it is so car focused.  

 

It would also be great if they could find a way to reconnect the neighborhoods along W 25th south of I-90 with Tremont.  They are so geographically close, but I-71 completely divides the two areas.  Even just reconnecting some of the cut-off streets would go a long way.

 

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2 hours ago, gg707 said:

 

Totally agree.  A big reason why that stretch of road feels so uninviting is that it is so car focused.  

 

It would also be great if they could find a way to reconnect the neighborhoods along W 25th south of I-90 with Tremont.  They are so geographically close, but I-71 completely divides the two areas.  Even just reconnecting some of the cut-off streets would go a long way.

 

North of I-90 has 4 streets that go under the highway. We just have Clark and the Buhrer pedestrian bridge. Castle and/or Holden would be my choices to...bridge...the gap.

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On 6/28/2019 at 2:33 PM, gg707 said:

It would also be great if they could find a way to reconnect the neighborhoods along W 25th south of I-90 with Tremont.  They are so geographically close, but I-71 completely divides the two areas.  Even just reconnecting some of the cut-off streets would go a long way.

 

We need a way to build modern equivalents of the Ponte Vecchio to reconnect neighborhoods.

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1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Hmmm... that sounds familiar. And I like it! 😀

 

Choice:  1) Great minds think alike.  2) There are really only a few good ideas.

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Q&A: Avoiding Isolation Will Be Key For MetroHealth’s New Housing Project

 

https://wcpn.ideastream.org/news/qa-avoiding-isolation-will-be-key-for-metrohealth-s-new-housing-project

 

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AUTHOR

Anne Glausser

PUBLISHED July 3, 2019 

MetroHealth recently announced it will invest $60 million in a new mixed-income housing community in the Clark-Fulton neighborhood on Cleveland's West Side

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40 minutes ago, lockdog said:

not sure if w 25th and queen has been talked about for development....   but people and machines are there

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28 minutes ago, KJP said:

That location isn't in Ohio City. It's in Clark-Fulton. And it for St. Joseph’s Commons, a development project for Front Steps, which is transitional housing for women in trouble/need. It is being developed by PIRHL and includes a 4-story, 60-unit permanent supportive housing project. There is more coming to this development. For more, see.....

 

 

 

Redirecting from the Ohio City thread...  And when I mean "more is coming" to this development, I mean more buildings. PIHRL has a contract to buy Columbo Enterprises' property, of which there is a lot in this area -- about 4.3 acres. This transaction is moving forward despite that Columbus Enterprises' principal, Charles Columbo Jr., died on May 25 at the age of 67. Chuck, whom I've met several times, had a very colorful life both in and out of prison.

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20 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

 

 

Redirecting from the Ohio City thread...  And when I mean "more is coming" to this development, I mean more buildings. PIHRL has a contract to buy Columbo Enterprises' property, of which there is a lot in this area -- about 4.3 acres. This transaction is moving forward despite that Columbus Enterprises' principal, Charles Columbo Jr., died on May 25 at the age of 67. Chuck, whom I've met several times, had a very colorful life both in and out of prison.

Not to annoy people more but this is one hundred percent in Ohio City. Clark Fulton's boundaries are everything south of Clark. The neighborhood runs South to roughly where 71 turns westward. Tremont is East of 25th across from this development. Ohio City's border is the North side of Clark and West side of 25th, etc., etc.

 

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13 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

Not to annoy people more but this is one hundred percent in Ohio City. Clark Fulton's boundaries are everything south of Clark. The neighborhood runs South to roughly where 71 turns westward. Tremont is East of 25th across from this development. Ohio City's border is the North side of Clark and West side of 25th, etc., etc.

 

Map of Ohio City.pdf

 

That map says 2007. It may well be correct. But I was going by the line of demarcation as shown in blue on the City Planning Commission's GIS....

 

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2 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

That map says 2007. It may well be correct. But I was going by the line of demarcation as shown in blue on the City Planning Commission's GIS....

 

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The world may never know. Lol. To be fair that part of Cleveland isn't treated like Ohio City. So I'll differ. 

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Just now, KFM44107 said:

The world may never know. Lol. To be fair that part of Cleveland isn't treated like Ohio City. So I'll differ. 

 

That is area is about to undergo significant change, and on both sides of West 25th Street. In fact it's already starting, with the Spang Bakery development on Barber Ave. In a few years, we might not recognize this section of West 25th.

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7 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

That is area is about to undergo significant change, and on both sides of West 25th Street. In fact it's already starting, with the Spang Bakery development on Barber Ave. In a few years, we might not recognize this section of West 25th.

Unfortunately the former forumer (say that 10x fast) is no longer associated with the Spang project. There apparently was a bad fire at some point...but he's glad that the building is in good hands. 

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1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

That is area is about to undergo significant change, and on both sides of West 25th Street. In fact it's already starting, with the Spang Bakery development on Barber Ave. In a few years, we might not recognize this section of West 25th.

That abandoned building right before the highway entrance would make a great rehab. So would removing the set back convenient store and turning that into a residential lot that abuts the sidewalk. 

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A family member used to work here 20 years ago. Hated the job. Hated the employer. And perhaps most of all, she hated the neighborhood. Felt like the most unsafe area anywhere on the west side. But neighborhoods change. And here's the latest example......

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3267&CASE=NW 2019-020

 

MERCADO

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Project Information

Near West Case #  NW 2019-020

Address:3140 West 25th Street

Company:Detroit Shoreway CDO

Architect:

Description:

Renovation/Addition to existing warehouse building, converting it into a mixed-use office/market space for the community.

 

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5 minutes ago, KJP said:

A family member used to work here 20 years ago. Hated the job. Hated the employer. And perhaps most of all, she hated the neighborhood. Felt like the most unsafe area anywhere on the west side. But neighborhoods change. And here's the latest example......

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3267&CASE=NW 2019-020

 

MERCADO

 Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format)

Project Information

Near West Case #  NW 2019-020

Address:3140 West 25th Street

Company:Detroit Shoreway CDO

Architect:

Description:

Renovation/Addition to existing warehouse building, converting it into a mixed-use office/market space for the community.

 

 

 

@KJP What does the company do? 

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18 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

 

@KJP What does the company do? 

 

What it did. It's closed now. Was a carpet/flooring supplier since 1965.

 

BTW, I just saw this from last week -- another project right next door appears to be moving forward....

 

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2019/PDF/NW-Agenda-7_24_19.pdf

 

Near West Design Review District Agenda (8:30 a.m., Wednesday, July 24th, 2019)

 

9:30 a.m. 3. NW 2019-22, 23, 24, 25 - 2537 & 2538 Blatt Ct; 2701 & 2705 Buckeye Ct. (C) Project Representative - Anya Kulcsar Demolition of 4 residential structures related to the development of CentroVilla 25.

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So what is Centro Villa 25?

 

a $14 million, 52,000 square-foot project that will serve as the loud-colored epicenter of La Villa, complete with a 21-kiosk micro retail center, CDC hub space, and area for a “trendy, upscale Latin restaurant.”

 

https://www.freshwatercleveland.com/features/portraitlvh051619.aspx

 

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I think this is all one project.  The demolition looks to be for a rear parking lot.

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I was wondering about that.


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FRIDAY, AUGUST 9, 2019

Westinghouse, Blanket Mills conversions face adversity

 

Many of us don't get to see the behind-the-scenes activity that developers go through in renovating old buildings. We get to see the work being done on the outside of buildings and, if we peer through the windows, we can see the construction work being done inside.

But we don't see the arduous environmental analyses, the endless paperwork, the frequent meetings and, of course, the stumbles. If we did, many of us would probably have no desire to become a real estate developer -- if not for the joy of seeing the finished product. And if he or she is lucky, a developer will deliver a finished product more than half of the times he or she tries.

So the situations involving the residential conversions of the Westinghouse Electric and Manufacturing Co., 1200 W. 58th St., as well as the Northern Ohio Blanket Mills, 3160 W. 33rd St., offer some similarities. But they are at different stages of stumbling, er, development.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/08/westinghouse-blanket-mills-conversions.html

 

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http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/08222019/index.php

 

CONCEPT PLAN

Case 19-037: Northern Ohio Blanket Mills
3160 West 33rd Street
Renovation
Ward 14: Santana 
Project Representatives: Howard Hayden, Dimit Architects; Kevin Hudson, Levin Group; Director Menesse, Fact50

 

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New NIKE STORE at 3025 WEST 25 STREET?

 

Seen this renovation recently and so I googled the address and found this:

 

planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=2949&CASE=NW 2018-026

 

Near West Design Review Case Report:

 

3025 WEST 25TH STREET RENOVATION - NIKE STORE

 

Near West Case #  NW 2018-026

 

Address: 3025 West 25th Street

Company:

Architect: Harlan Eberhardt

Description:

Renovation of an existing building into a Nike store

 

 

 

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An actual Nike Store would be a huge deal.  My guess is that this is just a shoe store, and someone just put in "Nike" store without thinking about it.

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12 minutes ago, X said:

An actual Nike Store would be a huge deal.  My guess is that this is just a shoe store, and someone just put in "Nike" store without thinking about it.

True it maybe just a shoe store, but at least it will not be a empty boarded up store anymore!  And it will also provide some employment and added taxes too.

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I remember us talking about this as well a few months back, and disbelieving that a Nike store was going there, but also being confused about why it would say Nike if it wasn't one.

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12 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said:

A payless shoesource makes more sense here tbh.. Nike can come to Euclid Ave

Isn't Payless going out of business?

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This "Nike" store has been kicking (!?) around for a year now....

 

 

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I drove by here recently, and if it is the building I believe it to be, then they are doing some major renovations on and in it. I'll try to get a photo next time I drive by there.

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