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MLS chief Don Garber outlines criteria for next round of league expansion

 

Major League Soccer has announced its plans for the next round of expansion, with the process, timeline, and expansion fee detailed by MLS commissioner Don Garber.  ...  At present, there are 22 teams in the league, including Minnesota United and Atlanta United, which will start play next season.  Los Angeles FC will start play in 2018, while expansion plans in Miami are "making progress" according to MLS, which would bring the total to 24 teams.

 

The plans outline the process for adding teams 25 through 28.  Prospective cities will need to submit applications by Jan. 31, 2017.  Following a review of each prospective market, which will take place in the first six months of 2017, teams 25 and 26 will be selected during the second or third quarter of 2017.

 

The teams selected will be expected to begin play in 2020, and the expansion fee for those teams is $150 million. ... The timeline for teams 27 and 28 will be determined at a later date, as will the expansion fee for those teams.

 

At this time, ownership groups from 10 markets have expressed interest in acquiring an MLS expansion franchise.  They are: Charlotte, Cincinnati, Detroit, Nashville, Raleigh/Durham, Sacramento, St. Louis, San Antonio, San Diego and Tampa/St. Petersburg.  ---  Out of those 10, Sacramento and St. Louis appear to be the furthest along in satisfying the league's criteria, but more will be known in the coming months.

 

MORE:  http://www.espnfc.com/major-league-soccer/story/3020615/mls-commissioner-don-garber-details-next-round-of-expansion

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Sacramento look pretty ready.

 

I'm guessing St. Louis will get a spot, but I honestly don't get the fuss, outside of the Cards they aren't the best in terms of fan support and during the summer you will be competing directly against the Cardinals for people's money. I suppose its the corporate money behind them and the likelihood of the stadium generated from the pain of losing the Rams that will drive this through.

 

The other two are anyone's guess. I think Detroit and Dan Gilbert will get something sorted and its the biggest market now without so they will get one, maybe in the next round. Perhaps also Cincy.

 

I think they would be wise though to go the NBA route and avoiding cities without much direct competition from other leagues, which means picking cities without MLB teams, but I don't see them being too heavily influenced by that.

 

 

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MLS received 12 applications for expansion teams:

 

- Charlotte

- Cincinnati

- Detroit

- Indianapolis

- Nashville

- Phoenix

- Raleigh-Durham

- Sacramento

- San Antonio

- San Diego

- St. Louis

- Tampa-St. Petersburg

 

MLS launched with 10 teams in 1996, and will have 22 teams this year following the addition of Atlanta and Minnesota.  A second Los Angeles team is scheduled to open next year and David Beckham has rights to start a Miami team - but has been unable to finalize a stadium plan.  The league plans to add four more teams in the coming years to get to 28.

 

An expansion committee will review the 12 applications, and may narrow the field in the next few months, with plans to announce its first two selections by the end of the year.

 


Here's a couple of rundowns on the applications received by MLS:

 

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2017/01/31/mls-expansion-deadline-12-teams-cities

 

http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/mls-expansion-heres-what-to-know-about-the-12-cities-to-submit-franchise-bids/

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^They're supposed to announce sometime in 2017 who the winners are, but who knows if they will stick to their timeline. US Soccer is really bad at keeping deadlines. A lot of people were expecting Sacramento to be at the top, but they've had some turbulence and the investor who submitted an application was not submitting on behalf of Sacramento Republic.

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I'd like FC Cincinnati to get in, but Detroit and Indianapolis make me nervous.  There are already teams in Chicago and Columbus.  I can't see MLS allowing there to be teams in Cincy, Indy, Detroit, Columbus, and Chicago.  Cincy probably beats out Indy, but Detroit is a huge market.  On the other hand, having several teams in such close proximity would allow fanbases to travel well. 

 

Pro teams keep trying their luck in the sun belt because of booming population (despite anemic interest in pro sports), so Florida, Arizona, Texas, and California are sure to get 2, possibly 3 of the 4 spots.  North Carolina was really on the rise until the whole bathroom bill debacle, so hopefully MLS will dismiss those two bids out of hand.  If so, the timing of this is lucky for the other cities with bids.

 

I'm still hoping for the best.

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I think Cincinnati's greatest threats are Detroit and Indianapolis. I could see both teams getting in at some point.

 

Indy has no baseball team, which should be a huge boost for them. If they got an MLS team, I imagine people would gravitate to it since there's no competing sports team (outside of minor league baseball).

 

That's why I don't see the draw for MLS to move into St. Louis. They will be fans of the Cardinals before any other team. Having a team with an overlapping season that's so popular would really cut into people's attention and dollars for a potential MLS franchise.

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cosmos are moving from long island to coney island:

 

 

 

New York Cosmos moving to MCU Park this season

 

By Ivan Pereira  ivan.pereira@amny.com February 2, 2017

 

Brooklyn’s about to get its kicks this spring.

 

The New York Cosmos announced Thursday that it will be trading its Long Island digs for MCU Park for the 2017 season. Cosmos Chairman Rocco B. Commisso said the move was a long time coming for the team and fans who have been yearning for the Cosmos to return to its New York roots.

 

“Adding the excitement of Cosmos’ games to Coney Island’s already vibrant atmosphere will be a win-win for our club and soccer enthusiasts throughout the metropolitan area,” he said in a statement.

 

The original incarnation of the Cosmos, which played between 1970 and 1985, originally played at Yankee Stadium, and then moved to the Meadowlands.

 

The current team, which was established in 2010 and won the last two North American Soccer League championships, played their matches at Hofstra University and tried to establish a new stadium in Elmont.

 

Sixteen home games will be played in Coney Island and the season opener is set for April 1. Tickets will go on sale Friday.

 

http://www.amny.com/news/new-york-cosmos-moving-to-mcu-park-this-season-1.13054877

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http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/news/2015/04/09/market36.html

 

I saw this a couple of years ago. I thought it was concerning about Cincy's ability to attract a team. However, it did not take into account the Dayton market too. I wonder how much that market consolidation will help Cincy.

 

Dayton is a separate market than Cincinnati and has loyalty to the Columbus Crew (Dutch Lions affiliation and all). I don't see how Cincinnati or Indianapolis attracting a team would pull from this market.


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What is the metric for figuring out when there are "too many" teams? 28 seems like a smart target for the next round of expansion (don't want to grow too fast), but I don't think it should be the last round of expansion. NBA has 30, NHL has 30, NFL has 32, MLB has 30. If the next few years continue to show growth, I'd like to see a target of 30-32 MLS teams.

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What is the metric for figuring out when there are "too many" teams? 28 seems like a smart target for the next round of expansion (don't want to grow too fast), but I don't think it should be the last round of expansion. NBA has 30, NHL has 30, NFL has 32, MLB has 30. If the next few years continue to show growth, I'd like to see a target of 30-32 MLS teams.

 

I'd like to see every metro area in America represented by at a team. Whether that's due to an expansive MLS or an increase in other pro leagues. Actually, if a super team can be assembled, for instance in NASL, soccer in USA suddenly gets more interesting.

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I live in Centerville (10 miles south of Dayton) and ColDayMan's analysis is far from accurate. There is little to no Crew presense in the Dayton market. When the Crew played in the championship game last year, I had to specifically request the match at a Kettering sports bar - 20 min. after kickoff. Forget about a regular season Crew game getting any attention here. The local TV sports show no Crew highlights. While the FCC friendly vs. Palace got highlights and DDN coverage.

 

Dayton is far, far more linked to Cincinnati than Columbus and that extends to FCC. I saw FCC shirts in Centerville on match days hours before kickoff. The Rally House at the Dayton Mall carries FCC gear.

 

Not to mention, most of the hotbeds of soccer in the Miami Valley, namely Centerville, Springboro, Bellbrook and Miamisburg, are all well south of Dayton and, in Springboro's case, already considered part of the Cincy metro. We're already used to driving the quick 40 minutes to Cincy for the Reds, Bengals, the zoo, the airport and plenty of other things in the city on a routine basis. Driving to north of Columbus is just not a regular thing.

 

If/when FCC joins MLS, Dayton (which should officially be linked to Cincy by the 2020 federal census) will be there. Zero doubt.

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I live in Centerville (10 miles south of Dayton) and ColDayMan's analysis is far from accurate. There is little to no Crew presense in the Dayton market. When the Crew played in the championship game last year, I had to specifically request the match at a Kettering sports bar - 20 min. after kickoff. Forget about a regular season Crew game getting any attention here. The local TV sports show no Crew highlights. While the FCC friendly vs. Palace got highlights and DDN coverage.

 

Dayton is far, far more linked to Cincinnati than Columbus and that extends to FCC. I saw FCC shirts in Centerville on match days hours before kickoff. The Rally House at the Dayton Mall carries FCC gear.

 

Not to mention, most of the hotbeds of soccer in the Miami Valley, namely Centerville, Springboro, Bellbrook and Miamisburg, are all well south of Dayton and, in Springboro's case, already considered part of the Cincy metro. We're already used to driving the quick 40 minutes to Cincy for the Reds, Bengals, the zoo, the airport and plenty of other things in the city on a routine basis. Driving to north of Columbus is just not a regular thing.

 

If/when FCC joins MLS, Dayton (which should officially be linked to Cincy by the 2020 federal census) will be there. Zero doubt.

 

Uh...what?  The metro's own soccer team is a farm team for the Crew.  There are plenty of Crew flags all over the area bars during soccer season.  I never said there weren't people in the Miami Valley that weren't supportive of FC Cincinnati but it's certainly not true that it isn't supportive of the Crew. 

 

As far as actual statistics, back in 2012, SW Ohio in general made up 10% of Crew tickets sold.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/print-edition/2012/03/30/columbus-crew-eyes-dayton-fans.html


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Cincinnati and Dayton are tied together tighter than Columbus and Dayton are.

 

There are greater synergies in economic and association between Cincy and Dayton. When I lived in Dayton, it was a huge Ohio State town but it felt removed from Columbus. You felt a strong pull to Cincy with Reds/Bengals and even UC and other synergies. UD being the institution it is, has a pull toward cincy with Xavier being a big rival.

 

People follow the Crew in SW Ohio, but I think a Cincy tam would pull more from Dayton than the Crew does.

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MLS had two expansion teams join the league this season:  Atlanta United FC and Minnesota United FC.  Bringing the total number of teams using "United" in their name from one to three!  #progress!!!

 

- Atlanta played their first MLS home match on opening weekend on March 5th.  Until the new Mercedes-Benz Stadium (that they will share with the Atlanta Falcons) is finished later this year, Atlanta United FC will play their home games at Georgia Tech's football stadium.  Beautiful weather for their MLS debut and over 55,000 fans saw Atlanta get edged by NYRB 2-1:

 

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- Minnesota played their first MLS home match the following weekend on March 12th against Atlanta.  Until their new soccer stadium is finished, Minnesota United FC will play their home games in the University of Minnesota's football stadium.  Unfortunately for Minnesota, their opening home game coincided with a late winter snowstorm.  So the MLS Expansion Team Showdown turned into a Snow Soccer Showdown:

 

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Atlanta trounced Minnesota 6-1 in the Snow Soccer Showdown.  This is after Minnesota had their MLS debut at Portland the previous weekend and lost 5-1!  Atlanta got their first MLS point last weekend at Colorado with a 2-2 draw.  Minnesota is now 0-2-1 with a -9 GD after three games.

 

However, Atlanta is 2-1-0 with a +8 GD after their first three games.  Atlanta spent heavily on three offensive DP's and MLS veterans to round out their roster (like former Crew captain Michael Parkhurst at central defense) and is seeing early success.  Minnesota largely kept their USL roster intact for the jump to MLS and is paying the price on the pitch.

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It's a field, not a pitch.  About 10 years ago soccer writers started going full-Brit.  The same sort of guys who started writing beer reviews like wine reviews.  It's pretentious as hell.

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It's a field, not a pitch.  About 10 years ago soccer writers started going full-Brit.  The same sort of guys who started writing beer reviews like wine reviews.  It's pretentious as hell.

 

Who cares what word you use? I use them interchangeably with soccer. The entire argument is stupid whichever way you are trying to argue it.

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It's about class and the pretentiousness that soccer has projected for the past 30 years.  It was always a soccer field until about 2005, when suddenly it became a "pitch".  It would be like if we suddenly changed hockey terminology to French. 

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It's about class and the pretentiousness that soccer has projected for the past 30 years.  It was always a soccer field until about 2005, when suddenly it became a "pitch".  It would be like if we suddenly changed hockey terminology to French. 

 

The fact that this aura you speak of is so widespread that we have soccer teams in America calling themselves "Football Club" is what surprises me the most. It's funny that only some of them do this, while some call themselves"SC," so you can sort of pick out which places are pretentious.

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There's an identity crisis in American soccer. It's nothing about being "pretentious". Soccer is an incredibly popular worldwide sport. Pretty much everywhere in the world it is referred to as football, or some variant of that name except in the United States, Ireland, South Africa, and Australia.

 

Soccer started becoming popular again in the US after the 1994 World Cup, which was held here. There are many examples of teams that have used the word "football" throughout their history before this time. One of the most successful soccer teams in America in the early 1900's was Bethlehem Steel F.C. They were around from 1907-1930.

 

In 1996, MLS had it's first season, and the only team to take a stance in their name was Chicago Fire, whose full name was "Chicago Fire Soccer Club", but they were only ever referred to as "Chicago Fire". Almost never as CFSC, Chicago Fire SC, or any other variant.

 

In 1997, Miami Fusion FC was formed (didn't play until 1998). Now there are more "Football Clubs" than "Soccer Clubs" in the US and it's just a current trend.

 

It has nothing to do with pretentiousness. If you go into a soccer bar and start saying soccer, field, zero, etc. no one is going to care. There are definitely people out there who get mad at you for using the "wrong" terminology, but most people don't care at all and shame people who try to correct you because honestly, who cares? Most of the comments are from people who complain about the scarce few who do try to "correct" you. This is the problem with adopting a sport that is popular around the world, but often uses different terminology. If you read about your favorite team in England, for example, you're going to see the words "pitch" and "football" all over the place, so you just naturally start using them.

 

I've only been a real follower of soccer since early 2015, and occasionally catch myself saying "pitch" and it gives me a jolt because I think it sounds stupid when I say it. But it just naturally comes out sometimes because when I'm reading things, that's often the word that's used.

 

The vast majority of the British soccer jargon is due to the fact that many MLS, World Cup, etc announcers are from the UK and use those terms. Articles are written with those words in them because they are written in England, or by English pundits. It's not usually a conspiracy to be pretentious and sound knowledgeable.

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It's about class and the pretentiousness that soccer has projected for the past 30 years.  It was always a soccer field until about 2005, when suddenly it became a "pitch".  It would be like if we suddenly changed hockey terminology to French. 

 

Except hockey doesn't have its roots in france and has always called the surface "ice" or "rink."

 

Who cares if people started using the word "pitch" instead of "field." That's what the rest of the world calls it.

 

As far as pretentious goes, come to a match with us this year and hang out beforehand. Hardly pretentious at Mecklenberg Gardens and nowhere near as "pretnetious" as the people who can afford opening Day Reds tickets while blowing off the work day.

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One time I was watching one of the London NFL games and they made a logo for the Falcons calling them Atlanta Falcons, AFC. This of course was controversial since the Falcons are an NFC team.

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Along with two new teams, MLS is getting two new stadiums this season.  Atlanta will be moving into a shared facility with the Falcons later this year.  But - after playing their first two seasons in the vintage Citrus Bowl -  Orlando City SC inaugurated a brand new soccer specific stadium on March 5th:

 

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http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/02/28/wall-wifi-more-10-things-about-orlando-city-scs-brand-new-stadium

 

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2017/3/5/14822656/orlando-city-sc-stadium-smoke-device-area-wall-ruckus

 

Orlando's new 25,500-seat stadium incorporates a couple of a new wrinkles to the fan experience.  The main one being a Safe Standing Section (photo below).  The second being a designated area for smoke canisters (both of these are discussed in the above linked articles):

 

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View of Orlando's new stadium during practice:

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View of Orlando's new stadium on its MLS debut:

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the people who can afford opening Day Reds tickets while blowing off the work day.

 

Hey now!

 

haha, to be fair, I'm generalizing a lot of people and that's not really accurate, but back when I used to go to 20+ Reds games a season, opening day was always my least favorite. I stopped going eventually and started enjoying it in other ways. Got so tired of seeing people with off-brand Reds shirts from Kroger over their collared, button down shirts and ties sit there, pan the team, and leave in the 6th inning.

 

Very, very thankful FCC has an entire section devoted to people who are truly there for the match rather than just the "experience." Most of them anyways.

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The St. Louis expansion bid has taken a big hit after a municipal measure intended to secure public financing for a soccer-specific stadium was defeated yesterday, 53-47 percent, falling short by an estimated 3,000 votes:  http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/election-results-soccer-stadium-defeated-metrolink-sales-tax-passes/article_c30360fe-6ffc-5f40-a296-f9bd4f45c82f.html

 

MLS statement on the vote:  http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/04/05/mls-releases-statement-after-st-louis-votes-down-soccer-stadium-funding

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St. Louis was definitely a front runner if the stadium subsidy had passed. The ownership group seems to believe they can't pull it off now, at least in their public statements. I think MLS still wants a team in St. Louis, though.

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I don't know the whole story, but why aren't they planning on using the old Rams stadium instead of building a new one? That seems like a duh to me.

 

Too big/cavernous and too old. By the time you reduced the capacity, upgraded it, put in better turf or removed the roof and installed grass you might as well built a soccer-specific stadium from the ground up.

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I don't know the whole story, but why aren't they planning on using the old Rams stadium instead of building a new one? That seems like a duh to me.

 

Too big/cavernous and too old. By the time you reduced the capacity, upgraded it, put in better turf or removed the roof and installed grass you might as well built a soccer-specific stadium from the ground up.

 

I get too big but too old? It was built 22 years ago.

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^The Georgia Dome only made it 23~ years.  The lifespan of the stadiums that replaced the multipurpose stadiums is even shorter.  Riverfront Stadium was financed with 40-year bonds but was torn down after its 33rd season. 

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Couple of big-name coaches in the news for the L.A. teams this week:

 


https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/07/27/la-galaxy-fire-curt-onalfo-hire-sigi-schmid-replacement

 

The existing L.A. team fired their first-year coach after a terrible 2017 start.  They replaced him with league legend Sigi Schmid - a year and a day after he was fired by the Seattle Sounders last season.

 

The Galaxy are currently 9th in the West (6-10-4).  But they're only 5 points below the playoff line, so an improved final 14 games could still get them back in the playoffs.  Particularly since the Galaxy also signed Mexican national team midfielder Jonathan Dos Santos from Spain’s Villarreal club.

 


https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/07/27/lafc-hire-bob-bradley-first-head-coach-club-history

 

The future L.A. team - LAFC - announced that former USMNT head coach Bob Bradley will become their first head coach when they join MLS next year.

 

I'm sure that LAFC & Bradley are hoping he fares much better than in 2016, when he was named head coach of English Premier League club Swansea City.  Bradley made history by became the first American to manage in the EPL, but was fired by Swansea last December after only three months on the job.

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Last weekend saw MLS bring a video review system into its league matches for the first time this season.  Up til these games, MLS had been doing a video review dry-run during this 2017 season.  Basically, the video review system was operating during these games, but not counting or effecting the on-field action until now.

 

MLS Video Review can be used in four game situations:  Goals, Penalty Calls, Direct Red-Card Incidents and Cases of Mistaken Identity (when it relates to the issuing of yellow and red cards):  https://www.mlssoccer.com/video-review

 

The video review was first used in the 79th minute of the first game of the weekend.  It resulted in a goal being taken off the scoreboard for Dallas against Philadelphia:  https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/08/05/watch-first-ever-use-video-review-official-mls-match

 

Here's a breakdown of other video reviews during last weekend's matches:  https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/08/06/breaking-down-first-weekend-video-review-mls

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Here is the latest letter to shareholders of Ingram Industries stock:

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So shareholders will own a privately-held and eclectic conglomerate that includes a marine shipping company, a publishing company and book distributor, and...a professional soccer team. 

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