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I just drove by, and the siding has been removed from the 'art house' by abbey and 19th. Looks like it's coming down soon or being re-sided.

 

Thank god

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http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/07102015/index.php

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for July 10, 2015

 

LOTS SPLITS/CONSOLIDATIONS

 

For PPNs 004-02-083, 004-02-082, & 004-02-081

At 2141, 2135, and 2129 West 18th Street, Duck Island neighborhood

Presenter: Westleigh Harper, MAKER

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Anyone have any info on this project. Really haven't heard anything about it for awhile. Has anyone seen any demo or signage at the site? I know there were some environmental clean up and property acquisition issues that needed to be done. And the developers reputation has taken a few hits in the past. Hope it can still get done.

http://www.brickhauspartners.com/ohio-city/index.html

 

Just saw today that one or both of the homes on this site have been demolished.

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http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/07172015/index.php

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for July 17, 2015

 

LOT SPLITS/CONSOLIDATIONS

For PPN 004-02-027

At 2061 West 19th Street

Presenter: Westleigh Harper, MAKER

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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While riding my bike a week ago past by Lorain and W20th, I noticed that a couple more houses were being demolished on the north side of Lorain where the Brickhaus apartments/condos were proposed. Does the developer now have full site control now, and is he close to breaking ground? My friend was looking at buying a condo nearby and was wondering about that large vacant parcel.

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Looks like these two lots between the white house at left and the curved part of West 18th/overhead part of Lorain Avenue would be consolidated per architect Horton's application...

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/08072015/index.php

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for August 7, 2015

 

LOT SPLITS/CONSOLIDATIONS

 

For PPNs 004-02-063 & 004-02-062

At 2050 & 2058 West 18th Street

Presenter: Michael Horton, MAKER

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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^ There are a couple renderings of those two houses on Zillow.

 

www.zillow.com/homedetails/2036-W-18th-St-Cleveland-OH-44113/2101593984_zpid/

 

Edit: $542,000 -- 2 beds 2.5 baths 2,513 sqft

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Post 'em pleeaasse!!

 

Not on Facebook? OK, here......

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here's a very preliminary sneak peak of the seven duck island townhomes we'll start building later this year right next to the Red Line Greenway and The Velvet Tango Room. duck island is the perfectly situated neighborhood that connects ohio city and tremont and sits at the top of the columbus road hill. since the design is evolving, we don't have pricing or timeline or any more details but we do know they're going to be super fun when they're finished...

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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^And according to the rendering, they're rebuilding the cold storage building!!  :yap:

 

Change your nickname to EagleEye, please!


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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I think that is the building on the south west corner of 25th and lorain.  catty corner to the market....not the cold storage building.

 

The one that has Crop on the ground floor.

 

-edit-

 

saw the cold storage building as well.

 

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I think that is the building on the south west corner of 25th and lorain.  catty corner to the market....not the cold storage building.

 

The one that has Crop on the ground floor.

 

No, first picture.  Bottom left-hand corner, with the water tank on top.  The view is from Columbus Rd. looking east along Abbey Avenue.

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All confusing.  I thought the big project (mixed use with residential, offices, etc.) described in the PD last year, if not 2013, was to go from Columbus Road up the hill to the Lorain Avenue level.  But when that big announcement came, it was just the time that long-vacant restaurant right on Lorain was demolilshed, and the article said it was for this project, but that restaurant was to the east of Columbus Road.  So were the houses that were just demolished.  If the big project were to go from the west side of Columbus road up the hill to Lorain Avenue level, then aren't the new townhouses right on Columbus, nearly finished part of that project?

 

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Okay - I walked across the Hope Mem. bridge the other day and I now have it straight, noting there are two bridges west of the Hope bridge: the one over Columbus Road and and one over the railroad tracks.  The big project described in the PD over a year ago would go from the west side of Columbus Road up the hill to Lorain Avenue.  This area includes the acreage of that demolished long-vacant cafe, the demolished bunch of houses near Lorain, and the new townhouses on the west side of Columbus Road. :oops:

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NW 2015

 

023:  Ohio City Townhomes ©

2105 Abbey Avenue

Project Representatives

 

Sam McNulty, Project Principal; Gary Ogrocki, Dimit Architects

Proposed construction of two townhouse buildings containing a total of seven units on the SE corner of the Abbey Avenue

 

Columbus Road intersection in the Duck Island neighborhood

 

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/pdf/NWAgenda8-26-15.pdf

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NW 2015

 

023:  Ohio City Townhomes ©

2105 Abbey Avenue

Project Representatives

 

Sam McNulty, Project Principal; Gary Ogrocki, Dimit Architects

Proposed construction of two townhouse buildings containing a total of seven units on the SE corner of the Abbey Avenue

 

Columbus Road intersection in the Duck Island neighborhood

 

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/pdf/NWAgenda8-26-15.pdf

That'll be a nice change for that intersection!

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That'll be a nice change for that intersection!

 

There's renderings posted above, and yes they look good!


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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^ Great article. Some comments from Berges allude to opposition to these developments. I've heard the same thing. Like the townhouses south of the animal clinic are basically dead in the water because of the residents across the street.

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^ Great article. Some comments from Berges allude to opposition to these developments. I've heard the same thing. Like the townhouses south of the animal clinic are basically dead in the water because of the residents across the street.

There's a lot of NIMBYs and to put it crudely, more 'I support the NRA' door stickers and confederate flags in duck Island than you'd think (more than one or zero).

 

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^Sounds like some of these cretins would be more at home in Duck Dynasty rather than Duck Island.  I hope they're all driven out of there with those kinds of backward attitudes.

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^ Sometimes I hate democracy

 

I hate it when it's inserted where it shouldn't exist - which is, here.  By principle, democracy shouldn't interfere with property rights.  But just practically speaking, what the h*ll kind of system have we created that cranky Duck Island residents get to make the decision, as a group, what exists goes on vacant lots?!  Really?!  You couldn't conceive of a system more ripe for abuse.

 

Zoning was created as a downward ratchet to de-densify areas and exclude people.  It's just operating exactly as it was intended, here.

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^Sounds like some of these cretins would be more at home in Duck Dynasty rather than Duck Island.  I hope they're all driven out of there with those kinds of backward attitudes.

My guess is that some of them were a part of the general Appalachian migration that came here but mostly settled in what's now the stockyards and Denison, Clark/Fulton areas.

 

 

Of course, I should talk to some of them and find out...

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^ Great article. Some comments from Berges allude to opposition to these developments. I've heard the same thing. Like the townhouses south of the animal clinic are basically dead in the water because of the residents across the street.

There's a lot of NIMBYs and to put it crudely, more 'I support the NRA' door stickers and confederate flags in duck Island than you'd think (more than one or zero).

 

 

Eventually they'll get squeezed out by the free market. Their vacant lots will soon be too expensive to keep vacant. If they truly are right wingers, then they should respect the will of the free market and not violate their own beliefs by welcoming government interference in the market -- even if it is to preserve their own self interest.


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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West 19th south of Abbey project is not dead in the water.  It's moving forward with a zoning change to allow for density.  While the neighbors are dead against it, it will most likely get done.

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^ Great article. Some comments from Berges allude to opposition to these developments. I've heard the same thing. Like the townhouses south of the animal clinic are basically dead in the water because of the residents across the street.

What proof do you have that this development is "Dead in the water"? Do you have inside information or has there been something reported to back this statement?

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What proof do you have that this development is "Dead in the water"? Do you have inside information or has there been something reported to back this statement?

 

It was just something I heard through my block club that the local club there was pushing back and didn't endorse the variances. I'm sure they'll find a way to get it done. If anything we've seen the zoning board has been pro development. Perhaps dead in the water was too strong a phrase. Lighten up, Francis.

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http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/11062015/index.php

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for November 6, 2015

 

NEAR WEST DESIGN REVIEW

NW2013-035 –  Gateway Bluffs Loft Townhouses (aka Duck Island Townhomes): Seeking Final Approval

Project Address: 2251-2271 West 19th Street

Project Representatives: Gillian Hall, Triban Investment

William Sanderson, Triban Investment

Note: This project received Schematic Design Approval on June 19, 2015.

 

A few of the graphics....

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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The plans above say east side of 19th, and south of Abbey.  Is that right?  That's where the new animal clinic is.  Where exactly is the development going?

 

Now I see, this is going behind the Animal Clinics parking lot.  Too bad it couldn't be on the corner of 19th and Abbey.  This doesn't seem to have much visibility. 

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IIRC, these are the townhouses the Duck Island block club neighbors were trying to stop for "adding too much density" to the neighborhood. If this made it to city planning, did the developers get past those objections?

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These townhouses look like very impressive.  I kinda wish they fronted on the corner of W. 19 & Abbey, but the Animal Clinic, a handsome building, is only a few years old itself so destroy it so soon would be a huge waste.  Unfortunately it's a very large building and does block the corner where I'd rather see the townhouses.  Apparently development here wasn't well planned, esp since the desire, and current thrust, for more residential density for this immediate area has been on the minds of planners for quite some time.

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How many different urban townhome designs are there?? Most look alike to me. As long as they're not "ugly" or people keep buying/renting them, who cares?


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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I like the design. It's mostly red brick, and the design isn't so incredibly modern that it will look dated in a couple decades. Sometimes simple design is the best way to go.

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How many different urban townhome designs are there?? Most look alike to me. As long as they're not "ugly" or people keep buying/renting them, who cares?

How many townhome designs are there? Um, it's one of the few things in life that you can actually say infinite. There are infinite amount designs.

Take some pride in the community you live in and take some pride in designing something that isn't a replica of the one down the street. Is that what Uptown did? I'm not saying every project and every neighborhood has to be something like Uptown, it wouldn't fit. But, there are perfect examples of contextual, contemporary design in this very thread. People even commented that they liked it....gasp!

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Um, your opinion. They all look alike to me.

 

But like I said, who really cares as long as they sell/lease?


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Um, your opinion. They all look alike to me.

 

But like I said, who really cares as long as they sell/lease?

Very true, it is an opinion. But in terms of who cares, there are lots that care, and also plenty who don't. If people didn't care, they're wouldn't be such things as architectural review boards and people would just put up the cheapest garbage they could.

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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If people didn't care, they're wouldn't be such things as architectural review boards and people would just put up the cheapest garbage they could.

 

Nonsense.  Consumers and producers would negotiate so that the product being offered was in measure with what the consumers are willing to spend.  The idea that we need a 3rd party architectural review board to determine what is "good" and "bad" (as if such a thing exists based purely on aesthetics) is total BS.  I agree with KJP - if builders are building and buyers are buying and both are happy, who cares?  Who should insert themselves into that transaction and on by what criteria are they going to determine what should and should not be built?  This comes on the heals of witnessing a truly horrifying Landmarks Commission meeting where the Commission's criteria was based on arbitrary feelings about how something looked and not on any clear principle of judgment.

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Each property affects the value of those nearby, and in doing so affects the tax base.  Thus everyone has a vested interest in everything around them, particularly in an urban setting.

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