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On 12/1/2019 at 11:15 AM, Mendo said:

A couple project updates. Townhomes at West 19th and Freeman behind the animal clinic.imageproxy.php?img=&key=ef9124ff39d0469a

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I toured one of these last weekend while they were having an open house.  It was super nice.  The top floor has two rooftop decks, one facing either side, with a kind of "four-season" room in the middle, which was a really cool part of the house.  They are having a "model opening" party tomorrow night to attract buyers.  $515,000 was a little steep for us, but when you factor in the 15-year tax abatement, it's comparable to buying a non-tax-abated property for around $350,000.  

 

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3 hours ago, MissinOhio said:

 

And look how much this block has changed in just 3/4 short years.  I don't understand how people living here do not see this as a GOOD thing?!  Sorry, NIMBY, there's always Strongsville.

 

I think a lot of the people (certainly not all) who lived in the neighborhood before recent development occurred are from rural Appalachia, it had some of that same atmosphere, and they were comfortable with that.  But I do find it ironic when people build new Westlake-eque homes and then complain that other people building new homes aren't making them fit into the neighborhood.

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I live in the area, and I've found that sign (and others like it) to be particularly distasteful. Basically a statement that different kinds of people aren't welcome in a neighborhood.  You see signs like that in suburban areas any time multi-family housing is proposed.

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I love the townhomes being built there.  The neighborhood is becoming so vibrant.  People buying/building there also makes

me think there will be a lasting positive effect.

 

My wife and I will probably end up buying there (mainly due to complete lack of options downtown).

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3 hours ago, Ruken said:

I love the townhomes being built there.  The neighborhood is becoming so vibrant.  People buying/building there also makes

me think there will be a lasting positive effect.

 

My wife and I will probably end up buying there (mainly due to complete lack of options downtown).

 

@Ruken If you're heart is set on buying downtown, and you're willing to wait a couple of years, then I encourage you to wait. 🙂 

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On 1/8/2020 at 3:07 PM, MissinOhio said:

 

And look how much this block has changed in just 3/4 short years.  I don't understand how people living here do not see this as a GOOD thing?!  Sorry, NIMBY, there's always Strongsville.

 

It really has changed substantially. I had the unfortunate luck of initially trying this exercise with this nearby home:

 

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On 3/5/2019 at 1:58 PM, KJP said:

Some other outfit decided to eventually report on this story too.... 😉

 

RTA picks developer for Columbus Road site

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/03/rta-picks-developer-for-columbus-road-site.html


Yesterday I saw the site prep/construction markings to kick off Red Line Greenway development through this corridor.

 

I am incredible excited about this project and the connections is will bring to the city and this neighborhood.

 

Also it’s interesting to envision the proposed TOD site on the left side of my image. We desperately need more transit ridership, and this would be such a key way to help increase it by adding a new dense development here. Plus it would encourage even more Greenway usage.

 

(The rendering’s facing where I took the pic from)

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On 1/9/2020 at 12:57 AM, KJP said:

 

@Ruken If you're heart is set on buying downtown, and you're willing to wait a couple of years, then I encourage you to wait. 🙂 

I’ll hold you to that.  

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Red Line Greenway trail shows great promise, despite ugly duckling start

By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer

 

The greenway, which is scheduled for completion in the spring of 2021, will extend from the Cleveland Foundation Centennial Lake Link Trail on the west bank of the Cuyahoga River at Franklin Boulevard to the Michael Zone Recreation Center Park at West 53rd Street.

 

It will benefit more than 50,000 residents in poor and middle-class neighborhoods scarred by railroad lines and Interstate 90. And it will join an off-road network centered on the Towpath Trail in the Cuyahoga Valley, with links to the region’s best parks and natural amenities.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/01/red-line-greenway-should-be-excellent-despite-ugly-duckling-start-steven-litt.html

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1 hour ago, scb0525 said:

Not sure if this site qualifies as Ohio City, but someone is actively doing their due diligence on this site (West 19th /West 20th and Carnegie/Lorain)

 

 

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No, the east side of Columbus Road is Tremont.

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^Isn't that the site of the now defunct development proposed by Andrew Brickman?

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3 hours ago, Htsguy said:

^Isn't that the site of the now defunct development proposed by Andrew Brickman?

Brickman has been trying to sell a large part of those parcels to another developer for a couple years now.  He originally did buy up all of those parcels and demo most of the few buildings that was still standing.  And at times he was also actively developing the site but the last thing I've heard is that he trying to sell a large part of those parcels to another developer for a couple years now.

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I'll have an article about soon. Just need to track down an interview....

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5 hours ago, Htsguy said:

^Isn't that the site of the now defunct development proposed by Andrew Brickman?

Of all the developments that don’t become reality, this one ranks up there with those I really would of liked to have been built.

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13 minutes ago, Sapper Daddy said:

Of all the developments that don’t become reality, this one ranks up there with those I really would of liked to have been built.

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There was no serious intent of building that. It was designed to generate public/financial interest in the site.

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32 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

There was no serious intent of building that. It was designed to generate public/financial interest in the site.

How very Miami 🤣

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15 hours ago, Sapper Daddy said:

Of all the developments that don’t become reality, this one ranks up there with those I really would of liked to have been built.

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The hillside would never support buildings of that height. Best case density wise would be 1-2 buildings the size of the neighboring Grove Court condos. Given price of single lots in Duck Island my best guess is that this land eventually gets re-parceled out into single family lots.

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13 hours ago, vdbl1901 said:

 

The hillside would never support buildings of that height. Best case density wise would be 1-2 buildings the size of the neighboring Grove Court condos. Given price of single lots in Duck Island my best guess is that this land eventually gets re-parceled out into single family lots.

 

Humanity has been constructing tall buildings into and on top of hillsides for centuries.  That's why people get engineering degrees these days and make the big bucks.

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10 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

 

Humanity has been constructing tall buildings into and on top of hillsides for centuries.  That's why people get engineering degrees these days and make the big bucks.

 

Unfortunately many of our examples of such dwellings took unlimited resources and slave labor, neither of which is (currently) available in Cleveland.  😜

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WEDNESDAY, MARCH 18, 2020

Big Duck Island development moves forward

 

A site at Lorain Avenue and West 20th Street in Cleveland's Duck Island enclave that has been considered for development for seven years, is back in play again under the stewardship of a real estate firm from Chicago's suburbs.

Stoneleigh Companies LLC of Barrington, IL reportedly has a purchase agreement to acquire at least 3.4 acres of land assembled since 2013 and owned by Warrensville Heights-based Brickhaus Partners. That's according to two sources who spoke off the record.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/03/big-duck-island-development-moves.html

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Nice write up with lots of pictures of Knez’s new West Nineteen townhomes. 

Duck Island townhouse offers stunning views from two rooftop decks: House of the Week


https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/03/duck-island-townhouse-offers-stunning-views-from-two-rooftop-decks-house-of-the-week.html

 

By Joey Morona, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- If you’re looking for a room with a view, the townhouse at 2267 W. 19th St. has them in spades. The downtown skyline to the east and the West Side Market to the west: you can truly see it all from the home’s two rooftop decks.
 

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That's such a weird picture.  It makes the townhouses look like they are isolated out on some great, empty expanse.

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15 minutes ago, X said:

That's such a weird picture.  It makes the townhouses look like they are isolated out on some great, empty expanse.


I agree. There’s a rendering of the completed set of townhomes in the article that makes them look less isolated, but I thought the picture of the completed units was less likely to be considered old news. 

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4 hours ago, PoshSteve said:

Those are really some great views from up there.

 

Funny they decided to use that building for the main picture. There will be units to the north and east blocking the view of downtown and the valley. You already see the 6 or so units to the left (north) of this picture.

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1 hour ago, w28th said:

Don't be fooled by the cladding on these, it's thin-brick.

 

I'm sure it is, although that doesn't seem different from using hardy board or other kinds of siding that are going on most new construction.  Solid brick would be awesome, but that would be a very different price point.

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I should have posted this article here, not in the Ohio City thread. Ohio City is west of Columbus Road......

 

On 4/19/2020 at 8:35 AM, KJP said:

Glad to see Crain's got the story. Sometimes it makes me nervous when I'm the only one who gets a story....

 

April 19, 2020 04:00 AM

Chicago developer Stoneleigh buys site in Ohio City, plans apartment project

 

Stoneleigh Cos., a Chicago-based apartment and office builder, is preparing plans for a $60 million, 241-suite project at the west edge of Hope Memorial Bridge between Ohio City and downtown.

 

Rick Cavenaugh, senior principal and Stoneleigh founder, said it's the kind of site his company seeks because it's central to people going to or from downtown, but also near restaurants and amenities where people like to live.

 

"It's not an internal site in the neighborhood that's near where people want to go; it's on the way to where people are going," Cavenaugh said. "It will have views of downtown Cleveland and be within walking distance from the West Side Market and West 25th Street."

 

Stoneleigh on March 30 shelled out $7.6 million for the four-acre parcel to Brickhaus Integrity Ohio LLC, according to Cuyahoga County online property records.

 

MORE

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/chicago-developer-stoneleigh-buys-site-ohio-city-plans-apartment-project

 

 

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http://waterfordresidential.com/news/

 

From the article about the Brickhaus site. Stonesleigh will use Vocon, rendering to be released next month. Building will be 4 floors of apartments over 2 floors of parking. Financing in place through KeyBank and OZ program. Brickhaus has retained 2 acres of the site for a future for-sale project.

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1 hour ago, freethink said:

http://waterfordresidential.com/news/

 

From the article about the Brickhaus site. Stonesleigh will use Vocon, rendering to be released next month. Building will be 4 floors of apartments over 2 floors of parking. Financing in place through KeyBank and OZ program. Brickhaus has retained 2 acres of the site for a future for-sale project.

I hate to question  a development without first seeing the renderings, but from the written description I am disappointed with what may end up going up at this prime site with incredible views of downtown.  Sounds like it is going to look like one of those 4-5 story wood framed rectangles that are popping up all over town.  And no mixed use like Brickhaus proposed and could not accomplish.

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I'm also disappointed that it would top out at only 4-5 stories. But if the market continues to catch fire in the coming decades, these stick-builds will be easy to demolish and replace with vertical concrete/steel structures.

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Is this the same site Brickhouse has hesitated with for at least three years?  That project was going to be huge (for the vicinity)!

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1 hour ago, Htsguy said:

I hate to question  a development without first seeing the renderings, but from the written description I am disappointed with what may end up going up at this prime site with incredible views of downtown.  Sounds like it is going to look like one of those 4-5 story wood framed rectangles that are popping up all over town.  And no mixed use like Brickhaus proposed and could not accomplish.

 

The Brickhaus plan would have been awesome.  I'm not sure how realistic that plan is though with the Harbor Square development going in down the street.  There is only so much demand for commercial and retail in the area, and Harbor Square's location gets way more foot traffic obviously and is a better spot.  This is a more realistic plan and it will do a ton for the area in connecting the Carnegie bridge with Ohio City from a pedestrian perspective.

 

Is it clear that this will have no ground floor retail from the article?

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20 minutes ago, lafont said:

Is this the same site Brickhouse has hesitated with for at least three years?  That project was going to be huge (for the vicinity)!

 

Yes, part of it.  Brickhaus is holding onto a portion of the site as well.

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5 minutes ago, gg707 said:

 

The Brickhaus plan would have been awesome.  I'm not sure how realistic that plan is though with the Harbor Square development going in down the street.  There is only so much demand for commercial and retail in the area, and Harbor Square's location gets way more foot traffic obviously and is a better spot.  This is a more realistic plan and it will do a ton for the area in connecting the Carnegie bridge with Ohio City from a pedestrian perspective.

 

Is it clear that this will have no ground floor retail from the article?

Not that bummed about the lack of retail, was/am more concerned about the potential of the development in terms of quality of the design and build out, especially for such a prime site.  As I said, hate to question what may be built without seeing renderings first, but the descriptions in the article as well as some of the developers comments left a bad taste in my mouth.  Hope I am wrong.

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Some preliminary renderings and plans for the Stoneleigh project at Lorain and W. 20th.  I wasn't able to get all of the floor plans, but it is similar to the Quarter in that a lot of the first floor is actually wrapped parking, with some additional underground parking accessible from W. 20th.  There is no retail, unfortunately, and the Lorain frontage is a mixture of lobby space, which looked attractive, and parking.  The units are a mix of one bedroom and studios, with a good number of balconies.  The stated timeline was groundbreaking within 2020 and completion in 2022. 

 

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This is a much less ambitious design.  I hope it still gets built, but really mostly because that vacant lot is getting sad.

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Given its somewhat awkward location I can see why retail would be a tough go, and with 25th and INTRO / WSM just up the street not a big deal to me.  The design could be a little more inspired but I will be really glad to see something go there and fill that ugly missing tooth!

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I get the ground floor is just parking, but it really needs to look more inviting from the sidewalk. Other than that, that will be a huge improvement coming over the bridge into Ohio City.

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Looks like a college dorm. Come-on vocon, y'all are better than this. This is a prime gateway to OC!

 

Also lol at the beautifully paved street in the pic. 

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Looks like a cheap hotel like a Residence Inn or something.

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Looks like what has been going up on the fringes of Denver on a massive scale the past 8-10 years.  I would imagine very cost conscious.  Meh.

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Subscribe to get updates about Stoneleigh's Lorain/West 20th proposed development....

https://courbanize.com/projects/stoneleigh-w20/

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Stoneleigh - West 20th/ Lorain Update #5

Join us online! July 15th Virtual Open House #2

 

We’ll be hosting a meeting on Wednesday, July 15th at 6:30pm to discuss the Stoneleigh Project at West 20th and Lorain. The developer will be presenting an update on their previous conceptual as they move forward towards to Schematic approval at the Planning Commission. You will have a chance to have all of your questions addressed by the development team at the end of their presentation. Due to the current situation and limits on in-person gatherings, the meeting will take place online using the Zoom platform. Email Khalid at khalidhawthorne@tremontwest.org to get access. There will be a link for accessing via computer or smartphone. There will also be a number for dialing in via a phone.

 

If you’re not able to attend the meeting, make sure to add your ideas and comments on our site LINK TO COMMENTS SECTION HERE. We’ll also be posting a meeting recap so you don’t miss out on any new details. Thank you!

 

https://courbanize.com/projects/stoneleigh-w20/updates/27913?utm_campaign=update&utm_medium=email&utm_source=sendgrid

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