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You knew that was going to happen.  I'm willing to bet Josh Spring is telling them each time where to setup the new camp.  I'm not sure why Deters wanted to make Central the north end of the no camps zone, now he's just going to piss off the casino and all the people/businesses in OTR and Pendleton.  He should have made the line Liberty or McMiken. 

 

Also there were still plenty of tents on 3rd St this morning.  We'll see if they move out today or if they stay and continue to fight.  If they don't leave hopefully they stop babying the situation and just arrest them. 

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I just dropped off my daughter at a daycare around 8am this morning on Third and Walnut and I didn't see a single tent.


"Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago." - Warren Buffett 

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I just dropped off my daughter at a daycare around 8am this morning on Third and Walnut and I didn't see a single tent.

I know that's where most of them were but I can't see that area while walking to work.  There were still 5-10 of them on 3rd between Race and Elm around 7:45.  Good to hear they're in the process of clearing them out though. 

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You knew that was going to happen.  I'm willing to bet Josh Spring is telling them each time where to setup the new camp.  I'm not sure why Deters wanted to make Central the north end of the no camps zone, now he's just going to piss off the casino and all the people/businesses in OTR and Pendleton.  He should have made the line Liberty or McMiken. 

 

So long as the city is only allowed to enforce the law in certain, specific areas, the camps will continue to relocate. The problem will perpetually be moved like a big game of whack-a-mole, and the Josh Spring's of the world will always be there to make sure the problem moves from one in-your-face location to another.

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Anyone have an update on the Lytle tunnel encampment or Jack Casino one?


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^ Deters went back to the court yesterday and extended the "no-tent zone" from the Ohio River to the Norwood Lateral, between 71 and 75. The first time I heard that I thought it was a joke because the border seems so arbitrary. So far I don't think the police have taken down the encampments, though - per the Enquirer:

 

"As of 9:45 a.m., tents were still up on Central Parkway and no police or sheriff's personnel were seen."

 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/08/08/cincinnati-homeless-camp-jack-casino-move-police/928408002/

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Yeah, I heard about the extension of the borders.  Has anyone walked by either Lytle Tunnel or Jack Casino yet today?


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This was an informative listen from the beginning, but particularly revelant from -11.00 on. He mentions how there are two guys using this as a personal stand for themselves and disappear when the cameras are gone. We can speculate on who he means by the other but one is identified shortly after this clip starts. Hard issue all around but these people surely don't need to be pawns in other peoples quest for fame/recognition. 

 

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Deters is finally looking to get rid of the tent-city enforcement boundaries and extend the ability to shut down the camps to the entire county:

 

Deters wants homeless ban for all of Hamilton County: 'They need to go to shelters'

 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/08/09/homeless-ban-deters-wants-extended-all-hamilton-county/947325002/

 

 

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Great news. It's hard to encourage surburban folk to try, "urban living" when the streets reek of piss, you can visually see human feces on the side walk from the homeless, and encounter constant harassment from the homeless to give, "change", and encounter multiple police visits a night to these said camps.

 

Good to see this city is finally growing a pair.

 

I know there needs to more affordable housing options. I understand that. But the majority of these homeless tent residents enjoy there way of life, and enjoy the fact that they can freely be on heroin and drink alcohol whenever they want. They enjoy that freedom.

 

I can't wait to see Josh Springs load these tent residents on a bus and plop them in Warren County on the streets of West Chester. It's gonna be hilarious!

 

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Good to see Cranley and Deters taking a strong stance on this.  Trying to work with them or just ignoring the problem is how the west coast cities lost control of this issue.  If you don't want to go to a shelter and get help then find another city to live in. 

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Good to see Cranley and Deters taking a strong stance on this.  Trying to work with them or just ignoring the problem is how the west coast cities lost control of this issue.  If you don't want to go to a shelter and get help then find another city to live in.

 

I'm sort of surprised there sticking around the cbd of cincy, and haven't simply jumped across the river to NKY...

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Good to see Cranley and Deters taking a strong stance on this.  Trying to work with them or just ignoring the problem is how the west coast cities lost control of this issue.  If you don't want to go to a shelter and get help then find another city to live in.

 

I'm sort of surprised there sticking around the cbd of cincy, and haven't simply jumped across the river to NKY...

 

It wouldn't be in Josh Spring's interest to do that.  This is all about him.


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I’m no legal expert. But how is it a Civil Liberty (ACLU) to live on the sidewalk (and some - not all - drinking and doing drugs on public land)? There are options to get job training and shelter. If you don’t want to contribute to society then you can’t expect people to come to the table to come to an agreement.

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The court ruled in Deters favor, so tent cities are effectively banned county-wide. I've already seen local media and other dweebs on social media start to refer to this as a "homeless ban" so I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being national news within a few days. The Vox's and Huffington Post's of the world love these kinds of stories.

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The homeless camp has moved to a lot at 13th and Republic. At least this made the drug dealers move out.

The little grass area?  Not sure why they keep moving somewhere when they know they'll just get kicked out again.  If they find it to be the same people they're continuing to deal with they should arrest them.  And there were drug dealers there before?  I've walked by that area a bunch but maybe I just never noticed them. 

 

Little "parks" like that really serve no purpose and only attract negative things like homeless and drug activity.  Considering there's a real park less then 300 feet away they should develop that lot. 

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The homeless camp has moved to a lot at 13th and Republic. At least this made the drug dealers move out.

The little grass area?  Not sure why they keep moving somewhere when they know they'll just get kicked out again.  If they find it to be the same people they're continuing to deal with they should arrest them.  And there were drug dealers there before?  I've walked by that area a bunch but maybe I just never noticed them. 

 

Little "parks" like that really serve no purpose and only attract negative things like homeless and drug activity.  Considering there's a real park less then 300 feet away they should develop that lot.

 

It's a privately owned park and they've been given permission by the owner to be there. And yes, drug dealers regularly congregate there.

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I could be wrong but it appears the owner of that property does not live near there which is a pretty crappy way to help IMHO. I initially thought they lived nearby but did some googling.

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I could be wrong but it appears the owner of that property does not live near there which is a pretty crappy way to help IMHO. I initially thought they lived nearby but did some googling.

 

It's owned by Over the Rhine Community Housing, which is on 14th Street. It's a three minute walk away according to Google maps.

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I could be wrong but it appears the owner of that property does not live near there which is a pretty crappy way to help IMHO. I initially thought they lived nearby but did some googling.

 

It's owned by Over the Rhine Community Housing, which is on 14th Street. It's a three minute walk away according to Google maps.

 

Ahhh, thanks looks like my google power was off a bit. I'm sure the neighbors to the 'park' didn't expect that this was one of the ways it was going to be used though. It may be a place for a tent but it has the same problems that all the other places had, namely no bathrooms/showers/privacy or security.

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There has to be a zoning/use violation here.  I can't believe that in an urban area that camping is permitted like this.  I really hope that the city no longer provides any funding for Over the Rhine Community Housing projects in the future after this.


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I just had lunch at Kruegers and there was a homeless person out front telling (almost yelling to) anyone she could about the new camp around the corner and how they could use anything to help like hand sanitizer or water.

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I mean they can also take the drug dealers with them on the way out.

 

I'd almost rather have homeless camps, than drug dealers who could mug you at any time to increase his paystub for the day. That lot really should be developed by now....Advocates complain that OTR doesn't have enough affordable housing, and gentrification and blah blah blah...yet they are sitting on an empty lot that is used for drug dealers, and homless camps...what a joke these organizations are. They only look out for themselves in the end. 

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Friday nights are particularly bad for drug dealing in that area.  Tonight is going to be rough.


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This might be a rhetorical question, but if this is a, "private" park is it legal for the owners to allow illegal drug activity on their private land? Do laws not abide anymore if the land is designated private? Curious, because im sure the owners of the lot know what is going on in that sub park. No actual otr resident uses that park, and I always try to avoid that street at night because i'm afraid of becoming a victim.

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I do know it makes some laws harder to enforce. Like if a car accident happens in a mall parking lot all the police do is take a report (as long as there aren't drugs or alcohol involved) and then the accident becomes no-fault. Also there aren't any citations.

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This might be a rhetorical question, but if this is a, "private" park is it legal for the owners to allow illegal drug activity on their private land? Do laws not abide anymore if the land is designated private? Curious, because im sure the owners of the lot know what is going on in that sub park. No actual otr resident uses that park, and I always try to avoid that street at night because i'm afraid of becoming a victim.

 

Technically no, if it is a controlled substance owners of private property have a duty to report it or they may be subject to fines. This is often easier said than done and hard to enforce but technically it is the law.

 

For example, in apartments, if your tenant is known to have drugs in the unit (even if they are not a dealer) then under Ohio law, you are required to evict them (if you can prove the illegal drug activity). If you do not evict them and let the illegal drug activity go on, the landlord may be subjected to fines.

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So is someone going to bring in Port-A-Lets for the homeless to use, or are they just gonna start using every nook and cranny and alley in that area as their restroom?

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So is someone going to bring in Port-A-Lets for the homeless to use, or are they just gonna start using every nook and cranny and alley in that area as their restroom?

 

The latter sadly.


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This might be a rhetorical question, but if this is a, "private" park is it legal for the owners to allow illegal drug activity on their private land? Do laws not abide anymore if the land is designated private? Curious, because im sure the owners of the lot know what is going on in that sub park. No actual otr resident uses that park, and I always try to avoid that street at night because i'm afraid of becoming a victim.

 

Technically no, if it is a controlled substance owners of private property have a duty to report it or they may be subject to fines. This is often easier said than done and hard to enforce but technically it is the law.

 

For example, in apartments, if your tenant is known to have drugs in the unit (even if they are not a dealer) then under Ohio law, you are required to evict them (if you can prove the illegal drug activity). If you do not evict them and let the illegal drug activity go on, the landlord may be subjected to fines.

 

If that's true about evictions that's pretty funny.  The head of Tender Mercies has told me that new-ish HUD rules indicate they are required to try to keep drug addicts housed even if they're actively abusing.  This means their properties on 12th Street between Race and Vine are a constant nuisance with drug abuse/dealing happening all the time in front of their buildings as well as in the surrounding area.


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