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The big empty lots between Probasco, Clifton and Riddle are mostly owned by Tri-Health / Good Sam... so I assume they're planning to build something there. The one house at 328/330 Probasco might be holding out for a big payout.

 

Yeah, whoever that guy is, he's a genius.

 

McMicken/Tafel/Enslin/Eliza/Halstead is getting less-and-less seedy each year.  More UC and UC-type people are getting places down there to escape the high rents in CUF. 

 

That whole area was still bad news around 2012.  It's still not great but it's pretty okay compared to how it used be. 

 

 

 

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^What's interesting is that the ROW was built over private land in this area, not in line with the canal, because they knew that trains could not maintain the design speed of 45mph around the curve.  One or two times I have attempted to take that curve on Central Parkway at 45mph and have nearly squealed the tires! 

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CUF: 'Don't call us Clifton' - neighborhood reexamines identity

 

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The Queen City neighborhood closest to the University of Cincinnati has for decades been colloquially referred to by the wrong name. Now, its neighborhood association is re-examining its identity with the possibility of rebranding the area.

 

CUF gets its name from the three communities that compose it: Clifton Heights, University Heights and Fairview. Neighborhood association president Linda Ziegler told me it has been called CUF as long as she can remember – since she got involved in the 1970s.

 

Yet the neighborhood association sent out a mailer to all residents announcing there would be two CUF Neighborhood Association meetings, on June 19 and July 17, to discuss the neighborhood's name and possibly rebrand it.

 

"Most people have no idea of any of the neighborhoods in Cincinnati. You ask most people, 'where's UC?' they say 'Clifton.' It's not," Ziegler told me. "People mostly just assume anywhere near the university is Clifton."

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/06/06/cuf-dont-call-us-clifton-neighborhood-reexamines.html

 

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**Arcade Fiyah/Future ColDay note** -Why don't they just call it Uptown and be done with it?  Easy solution.


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I've said it before and I'll say it again, call it SoCal. Anything north of Calhoun can become a new NorCal neighborhood or combined with University into a new University Heights neighborhood.


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They should just call it Uptown.

 

It would make the most sense to merge Clifton and CUF (and maybe even Corryville) and call the whole area "Clifton" and use "Gaslight" and "Uptown" to distinguish the two halves, but something tells me the "real" Clifton residents would never let that fly. I'm curious what the actual legal process is for changing a neighborhood name - is there one? If a community council votes to change their name, is that it? Could CUF just vote to call themselves "Clifton" and de facto merge?

 

In the grand scheme of things, Cincinnati could probably merge half of its neighborhoods. Is there really a good reason to have two Fairmounts? Does Millvale really need to be distinguished from South Cumminsville? Why even have a South Cumminsville if the rest of Cumminsville rebranded as Northside? We should have 10-15 actual neighborhoods and keep the place names casual. That would give a bit more credence to fake neighborhoods like Brighton and Prospect Hill - places that somehow didn't manage to make the cut despite the fact that Cincinnati is inexplicably divided into 52 neighborhoods.

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CUF is a terrible name for a neighborhood. It’s an acronym for 3 sub-neighborhoods, and it sounds ridiculous.

 

I think Clifton Heights would be a logical name for the neighborhood. People already call the whole area Clifton, and ‘CUF’ is up the hill from Clifton, so it makes sense to me to call it Clifton Heights. Plus, I believe the Calhoun corridor is represented by the Clifton Heights CURC, or at least it used to be. CUF is just dumb.

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Uptown doesn’t work because that term is also used to describe the larger area that includes Clifton, CUF, and Corryville. CUF should simply become Clifton Heights.

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I remember a few years ago some realtors were advertising Avondale houses as “East Clifton.” By that standard, CUF could become South Clifton...

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Instead of it being an acronym, just make the neighborhood called "Cuf".  There might have been an infiltration of the CUF community council by a developer.  You know, the sort of developer who comes up with ridiculous stuff like DUMBO and SOBRO and Pietown and Washington Beach. 

 

I'm worried that we could see the area renamed something obnoxious like RASCAL (right against south Calhoun and Lyon) or YOURMOM (you are mostly on McMillan), 

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If they don't want to be called Clifton, calling themselves Clifton Heights doesn't solve that problem.

 

They should change it to University Heights if they change it and want a distinct identity. Otherwise, leave it alone.

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...You know, the sort of developer who comes up with ridiculous stuff like DUMBO... 

 

You do know this wasn't at all the result of a developer, right? It's exactly the opposite. It was locals in the neighborhood trying to come up with as unappealing name as possible to push developers away. It obviously didn't work, but zero developers had anything to do with the creation of DUMBO. Most older neighborhoods that are acronyms in east coast cities were also just locals trying to come up with a name that described their portion of an interconnected street grid. It wasn't to be trendy or catchy. It was a way to distinguish boundaries, however arbitrary, in a road system that didn't have any natural breaks other than big roads.

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If they don't want to be called Clifton, calling themselves Clifton Heights doesn't solve that problem.

 

They should change it to University Heights if they change it and want a distinct identity. Otherwise, leave it alone.

 

I like University Heights

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, call it SoCal. Anything north of Calhoun can become a new NorCal neighborhood or combined with University into a new University Heights neighborhood.

 

North of Calhoun can be Upper Calhoun, abbreviated UC.

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If they don't want to be called Clifton, calling themselves Clifton Heights doesn't solve that problem.

 

They should change it to University Heights if they change it and want a distinct identity. Otherwise, leave it alone.

 

"CUF" is a bad name (it's an ugly sound, hard to remember, and unclear what it includes) and I agree that anything with "Clifton" in it just adds to confusion, so I'm definitely in favor of replacing it with something clearer.

 

Related: it's unnecessary to have a separate neighborhood The Heights since it is basically is just UC's west campus, plus a couple of residential blocks to the west and the north of campus. Does The Heights even have a community council or any kind of organizing body? The only thing I could find is a defunct (last updated in 2013) Facebook page for The Heights Community Council, whose mission is "To make Clifton Heights livable, attractive, and sustainable, and preserve its cultural and historical heritage." So... it's part of "Clifton Heights"?  ???

 

I'd propose combining CUF and The Heights into a single entity, and call it "The Heights" (or possibly "University Heights", though that might create confusion since people currently refer "University Heights" as just the sub-neighborhood). The bit of The Heights that is north of MLK should become part of "Clifton". I think it makes sense for Burnet Woods to be under the purview of Clifton Town Meeting.

 

On Google Maps, it's currently a mess, with CUF, Clifton Heights, and The Heights... but no mention of University Heights or Fairview.

 

I included a proposed map showing what would be the new, unified neighborhood.

 

 

 

 

 

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There is something called "Coy Park"? 

 

I don't think it's actually a park, I think it's athletic fields used by Hughes High School. I went down there once maybe 10 years ago because a few friends wanted to play a pickup game of baseball, and we saw a baseball field there on Google Earth. The whole place is fenced and locked up. There's some playground equipment off of Marshall, but the driveway there is gated at the street and there's no sidewalk, so it's similarly uninviting.

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Why not just merge this area (The Heights + CUF) into a single neighborhood called the "University District"? Even thought it's a new name for that area, Cincinnatians will immediately know what you're talking about when you say "University District". Also, the USquare plaza would be at the center of the UDistrict.

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Why is Clifton Heights confusing? Is it an issue for Cleveland and Cleveland Heights? Shaker Square and Shaker Heights? Since most people tend to already think of the area as one big neighborhood, a little repetition of ‘Clifton’ would make sense to me. The Heights sounds stupid to me, especially in a city of many hills. It’d be like calling Walnut Hills The Hills or Mt. Auburn The Mount.

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Why is Clifton Heights confusing? Is it an issue for Cleveland and Cleveland Heights? Shaker Square and Shaker Heights? Since most people tend to already think of the area as one big neighborhood, a little repetition of ‘Clifton’ would make sense to me. The Heights sounds stupid to me, especially in a city of many hills. It’d be like calling Walnut Hills The Hills or Mt. Auburn The Mount.

 

Clifton Heights seems just fine to me. We have Walnut Hills and East Walnut Hills. Multiple Price Hills. In Philly, there is Passyunk Square and East Passyunk Crossing and also Kensington, East Kensington, Olde Kensington, and West Kensington--but people often just say Kensington to refer to the hole area plus a couple of other neighborhoods nearby so that really seems analogous.

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I'd be fine with "Clifton Heights", if the other names in the area defined by CUF and The Heights went away. It's just confusing now to have Clifton Heights which is a subset of CUF, which also includes University Heights, but doesn't include The Heights.

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The Gaslight District confuses people.  People think that the Gaslight District is a sub-area of Clifton, when in fact it is Clifton. 

 

None of this matters unless developers have their sights set on putting up market rate housing not aimed at students.  If that is the case, I am worried about what they have in store because there aren't many buildable sites that wouldn't involve tearing down a bunch of old homes.

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When did the whole "gaslight district" even become the predominant term for Clifton? It sounds like some sort of unnecessary neighborhood marketing campaign from the 70s that somehow got imprinted on everyone's mind to refer to a specific sub-neighborhood of uptown.


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People refer to actual Clifton as "Gaslight" because people refer to all of Uptown as "Clifton" (even Taste of Belgium calls their Corryville location "Clifton").

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Here's an example from the Enquirer today with an apparently erroneous usage of "Clifton Heights" (I think they meant the Daniels Street in Corryville:

 

Police attempted to arrest Lamar Allen of Avondale on open warrants Daniels Avenue in Clifton Heights at approximate 9:30 a.m.

 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/crime-and-courts/2018/06/07/wanted-man-escaped-police-handcuffs-near-uc-45-minutes/681152002

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Some guys were operating an illegal house show venue on Coy St. for awhile called "The Coy Pond". 

 

Every time you look at a new Cincinnati map there is something named that you have never, ever heard of.  Like "Frenchman's Corner". 

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I always assumed Clifton gaslight was referring just to the Ludlow business district and a few blocks around it (Shiloh, Bryant, Howell, Telford, etc.), not Lafayette, Warren, or McAlpin. 

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One of my grade school friends lived on Coy. I vaguely remember playing in that park a few times, but usually he would come down to my house in Clifton, or we would hang out on Ludlow or in Burnet Woods.

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There is something called "Coy Park"? 

 

 

Yes, it replaced Bo Park for about 6 months. Same thing happened with Vance and Luke Parks.

 

I took a sec but i got it. :) My dad grew up near the park that is at the end of Lower Coy st. and has always called it Coy Field.With the top part being Upper Coy Field and the bottom being creatively named Lower Coy field. His stories of how the neighborhood kids from the different sections of the area would fight over what was 'their' part of the neighborhood were hilarious in a Little rascals kind of way. He pretty much lived the Christmas Story life in the 40's. That generation may well be the source for everyone who is so territorial with calling areas the wrong name as their friends got attacked with slingshots from the kids in the other neighborhood on the way home from school one day.

 

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I always assumed Clifton gaslight was referring just to the Ludlow business district and a few blocks around it (Shiloh, Bryant, Howell, Telford, etc.), not Lafayette, Warren, or McAlpin. 

 

Gaslight is literally the part of the neighborhood that still has operating gas lamps along the sidewalks.

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I took a sec but i got it. :) My dad grew up near the park that is at the end of Lower Coy st. and has always called it Coy Field.With the top part being Upper Coy Field and the bottom being creatively named Lower Coy field. His stories of how the neighborhood kids from the different sections of the area would fight over what was 'their' part of the neighborhood were hilarious in a Little rascals kind of way. He pretty much lived the Christmas Story life in the 40's. That generation may well be the source for everyone who is so territorial with calling areas the wrong name as their friends got attacked with slingshots from the kids in the other neighborhood on the way home from school one day.

 

 

My great-uncle owned this building and operated a tavern called The Turtle Pleasure Club:

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My grandmother still has a menu from the place.  My great-grandfather was born in 1898 grew up on the Marshall Ave. hill and they used to sled ride down the street and attempt to jump the canal on their sleds.  I assume that there was a bridge over the canal in that spot so I'm thinking that they jumped it somewhere nearby. 

 

On the west side, patches of woods were named after whichever kid lived closest to them ("Danny's Woods"), and they were assumed to be part of that kid's territory along with his 2-3 best friends.  If you were building something in your buddy's woods, a rival group might come over and wreck it.  The usual target was a tree house.  We build a large track for RC cars that was wrecked by some girls from Colerain Middle School.  You also risked having tools stolen if you left them back there. 

 

If you walked or rode your bike into an unknown patch of woods you risked a fight with whatever kids might be hanging out there.  People would somehow find out that you were in "their" woods. 

 

I lucked out and never ran across a rival group of kids in the woods but I remember coming close to brawling with some hillbilly kids in Northside.  My friend Jeff and I biked down the Colerain Ave. hill through Mt. Airy Forest and on our way back decided to cut through Northside but we didn't really know where we were going.  We were cutting through side streets somewhere over by Georgia and Hanfield and rounded the corner to see about four hillbilly kids hanging out in the middle of the street on their BMX bikes.  We had a stare-down and then decided to go some other way but we really didn't know where we were going and acted cool but the guys slowly followed us until we got over by the bottom of the hill.  To compound problem my friend got a flat tire and had to call his mom from a pay phone at the gas station at the bottom of the hill.  We weren't supposed to be down there so I had to bike home alone. 

 

Here is where he had to call his mom:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1644104,-84.5523454,3a,75y,7.33h,85.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNGawZOWYRWUW7FDZiqtcJQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

 

 

 

 

     

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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