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"when two players on Steubenville High School’s prestigious football team, The Big Red, reportedly drugged a 16-year-old girl and sexually assaulted her, carrying her unconscious body by the wrists and ankles from party to party, urinating on her and abandoning her at the end of the night at her parents’ house."

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/03/hackers-produce-disturbing-video-evidence-in-ohio-gang-rape-case/

 

I'm not a sports guy so the idea of protecting these guys seems pretty weird.

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I didn't know that they drugged her. I heard that she just drank too much. Though everything they did is inexcusable regardless of why she was unconcious. The judge even tried to prevent her from releasing names of the rapists, but she released their names on Twitter anyway.

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Total insanity. It also shows something interesting, which we all knew on some level: the media's obsession with Anonymous is thoroughly exploitable by anyone with a Guy Fawkes mask. The "Anonymous group" making a ruckus about "doxxing" these people are probably just a few kids from Steubenville High.

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FWIW, this is covered very well on Reddit and Local Leaks:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/15v8mg/anonymous_leaks_horrifying_video_of_steubenville/

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/15vwom/student_present_at_the_big_red_rape_crew_party/

http://localleaks.blogs.ru/

 

Here is what I wrote:

 

Mind you, this is the city that had to sign a decree with the United States Department of Justice because it was so damn corrupt. Here is what I wrote on Wikipedia years ago. This stuff (about the rape and coverup) should be summarized and added as well (if it can be properly cited):

 

"Steubenville has had a reputation for political corruption. The U.S. Department of Justice alleged that the city and police force had subjected numerous individuals to "excessive force, false arrests, charges, and reports" and had engaged in practices regarding "improper stops, searches, and seizures." The report from the Department also stated that excessive force was levied against individuals who witnessed incidents of police misconduct, and against those who were known critics of the city and its police force. Those individuals were also falsely detained if the city and the police agreed that they were "likely to complain of abuse." It also stated that the officers involved also falsified reports and tampered with official police recorders so that "misconduct would not be recorded."[7][8]"

 

"Over a period of 20 years the city lost, or settled out of court, 48 civil rights lawsuits involving its police force. The city paid out more than $800,000, $400,000 of which was between 1990 and 1996. As a result, the city's police force became the second city in the United States to sign a consent decree with the federal government due to an excessive number of civil rights lawsuits. The decree was signed on September 4, 1997 under the "pattern or practice" provision. Under this agreement, the city agreed to improve the training of its police officers, implement new guidelines and procedures, establish an internal affairs unit, and establish an "early warning system.""

 

"The speed camera program began in 2005 and earned the city $600,000 in revenues, as nearly 7,000 tickets at $85 each were issued during that time period. In March 2006, the Jefferson County Court of Common Pleas ruled that the city ordinance of supporting the speed camera program was illegal and unconstitutional. The city refused to remove the cameras, however, because it stated it was "bound by contract to continue the services" of Traffipax, Inc., the US subsidiary of ROBOT Visual Systems, a German corporation. Despite attempts to remove the cameras, the city continued to defy the judge's order and reinstated an identical ordinance to continue issuing citations. Councilman at Large Michael Hernon cast the sole dissenting vote against reinstating the traffic cameras.[9]"

 

"In mid-2006, attorney Gary Stern filed a class-action lawsuit against the city of Steubenville for illegally collecting fines and generating unnecessary revenue from motorists. He won the case in December 2007 and the city was forced to refund thousands of tickets totaling $258,000.[10] Stern also gathered enough signatures from the residents of the city to put forth a referendum that posed the question of whether the city's ordinance authorizing the speed camera program should continue. On November 8, 2006, city residents voted to end the city's speed camera program with a 76.2 percent majority.[11]"

 

Again: This city is corrupt.

 

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There are also videos, photos and audio that the boys were very thoughtful to share on Instagram, Facebook and others. This is a huge case - not only do these guys allegedly rape a girl, but an underage one at that and then took photos. That is child pornography.

 

The city wants this to go away. The sheriff didn't investigate it, saying that it appeared to him that there was no crime involved. Want to know how fucked this case is?

 

"The hackers think the "Rape Crew" consists of more than two people. As LocalLeaks notes, Trent Mays and Malik Richmond, the two boys charged with the rape, have been released on bail and had their cases moved to the juvenile system. LocalLeaks posted the names of  two more students — the boy who tweeted out the picture of the girl being dragged around, and the boy whose house was where the rape allegedly occurred. The leak suggests that the boy who hosted the party in question was not punished because his mother is the prosecuting attorney for Jefferson County, where Steubenville is located."

 

"The Sheriff for Jefferson County is allegedly a friend of the football team."

 

"Head Football Coach Reno Saccoccia reportedly has links to the juvenile court system. "Reno Saccoccia’s sister in law, Marguierete Clark – is the secretary for the juvenile court Judge Kerr. Coach Saccoccia is actually employed as a mediator in juvenile court system"

 

Saccoccia also did not believe the photos were not wrong and therefore did not punish the players.

 

A parent of one of the alleged rapists also tried to sue a blogger (and the commentors) over the leaks and information posted. Then the video surfaced, where one of the perps all but admitted that he raped her. And the lawsuit was dropped.

 

This is a disgusting story, but not too shocking for Steubenville. There was a huge rally yesterday. Local media won't cover it.

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I have no ties to Steubenville so no personal stake in this, but I wonder if the media may be overplaying the corruption/small-town-obsessed-with-football narrative a little bit in this case.  Lots of the reporting implies that "locals" (suggesting all of them) spoke with a single voice in defense of the high school team, based on a handful of recycled quotes (including some by current or former football coaches) and a handful of awful tweets by heartless a-holes.  Not sure that's a great barometer of the overall popular view in town.  And the judge and prosecutor with close ties to the football team didn't bury the case, they called in the Ohio AG's office. After two arrests were already made, within two weeks of the rape. Long before this thing hit the national spotlight.  Note this is a critique of the simple narrative coverage, not at all a comment on the horrific underlying events or the reprehensibly casual response by some of the peripheral adults.  Sounds like the football coaching staff in particular needs to canned ASAP.

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The thing is, there are good and valid reasons why these kinds of cases are tried in courts by the rule of law according to established rules.  One of those rules is innocence until proven guilty.  Another is the anonymity of juvenile defendants.

 

The media in general, and “Anonymous” rather blatantly, has suborned this process because they fear that it will not give them the result they want.  In reaction to perceived bias at the local level, they’ve intentionally created a counterbias.  Neither achieves justice, but one at least sides with the presumption of innocence that is one of the fundamental cornerstones of the judicial system in any remotely free society.

 

Have there been cases where teenage boys do things like this out of a belief they can get away with anything because they are somehow special?  Yes, of course.

 

Have there been cases where teenage girls basically wave “it” like a red flag in front of a herd of bulls in an effort to achieve popularity (up to and including consent to just about anything and everything), then regret their actions when said “popularity” turns out to be fleeting and degrading.  Yep.  Does this sometimes lead to a retroactive “withdrawl of consent”?  Also, yep. 

 

Which one happened here?  That’s for the courts to decide.  Not the media, and certainly not an unaccountable pack of computer nerds still suffering from high school jealousy. 

 

I’m getting a little sick of these types portraying themselves as judge, jury, and executioner and I’m kind of looking forward to when they run afoul of the NSA or some group like that.  It will be like a street thug taking on a team of Navy SEALs and it will be kind of fun to watch.

 

One good way to “check your prejudices at the door” would be to reverse the identities of the key players.  Let’s say this was a wealthier white girl and an aspiring rap group?  Would you feel the same way?

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^I don't know what that last sentence is supposed to mean, but I'm pretty confident most of use here would feel pretty similarly if any unconscious women was sexually assaulted by any perpetrator, pretty much regardless of any other context.  I'm actually kind of freaked out that you would infer otherwise.  Also, anonymous didn't just out possible participants, they may have dug up crucial evidence that witnesses tried to suppress. 

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Well, the Duke boys ended up 100% innocent so I think we should wait a little longer before making finally judgments. There is a ton of investigation to be had.

 

That said, this whole circus is so sad, like a mini version of Penn State.

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So the State AG office is now handling this?  Humm.

 

If this had happened in Cleveland or in other large city urban schook, I can't imagine the things what would have said about the people involved.

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E Rocc, I'm just going to assume you haven't been following this case. She wasn't consenting to anything because she was physically unconscious and being carried around by her hands and legs.

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Well, the Duke boys ended up 100% innocent so I think we should wait a little longer before making finally judgments. There is a ton of investigation to be had.

 

That said, this whole circus is so sad, like a mini version of Penn State.

 

Maybe true to some extent, but the Duke "incident" wasn't live tweeted, photographed, and videoed.  Obviously every defendant deserves a fair trial, but I'm a lot less squeamish about forming an opinion in this case than in most others.

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From what I gather, 2 HS players go to trial on charges of Rape in Feb. The crime was reported on Aug 11, charges filed August 27th, then local

authorities asked the State to take over on the same day, August 27.

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From that NYT article:

 

At a hearing last month, the girl’s mother said her daughter remained distraught and did not want to attend school. The girl’s friends have ostracized her, and parents have kept their children away from her, the mother said.

 

The girl does not sleep much, said the mother, who testified that she often hears her daughter crying at night.

 

....suicide risk?

 

 

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I remember hearing about this story back in August and kind of assumed that things were working their way through the system after not hearing about it for a few months.  Not sure why the NYT did a story about it again in mid-December, but I think that that story is what re-awoke the the public.  And Anonymous' involvement in this seems a bit odd, too.  They tend to take on much larger-scale issues.

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^Tough to know the real roll of "Anonymous" here. Could have been one person or a small group who saw an opportunity to make a splash.  Because the perps and witnesses documented the alleged crime so thoroughly in social media, and then tried  to remove the "paper trail," it must have been a tantalizing opportunity for some public shaming. 

 

While the crimes themselves are not necessarily of national note, the centrality of social media to the whole thing, including the aftermath, have sort of made it landmark.  Among the many interesting wrinkles: one of the turds who tweeted some pics of the event sued a blogger and some of the anonymous commenters.  All described here: http://prinniefied.com/wp/.  The settlement the parties reached was fascinating and unexpected.

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E Rocc, I'm just going to assume you haven't been following this case. She wasn't consenting to anything because she was physically unconscious and being carried around by her hands and legs.

 

At what point?  Alcohol works gradually.  It's entirely possible that some of these kids are guilty of rape, and some are not.  This is why we have courts that can and do exclude misleading or emotionally provocative but substantially ambiguous evidence.

 

Good point above about how in this case, "Anonymous" could primarily be the local hacker clique, looking for payback for perceived slights or even what they consider "bullying" (the definition of which has expanded alarmingly in recent years).

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Who is the moron who gave this the go-ahead?

 

http://steubenvillefacts.squarespace.com

STEUBENVILLE FACTS

 

 

Some of their points are just ridiculous, especially this part: "Nothing in Ohio’s criminal statutes makes it a crime for someone to ridicule a rape victim on a video or otherwise say horrible things about another person. Further, nothing in the law allows someone who says repugnant things on Twitter, Facebook, or other Internet sites to be criminally charged for such statements. Steubenville Police investigators are caring humans who recoil and are repulsed by many of the things they observe during an investigation. Like detectives in every part of America and the world, they are often frustrated when they emotionally want to hold people accountable for certain detestable behavior but realize that there is no statute that allows a criminal charge to be made." 

 

First, I don't know if that blanket statement is true. And second, good lord is that in bad taste. If this web page intended on being objective, they just threw that out the window. I think we know what side of the bread their butter is on.

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Who is the moron who gave this the go-ahead?

 

http://steubenvillefacts.squarespace.com

STEUBENVILLE FACTS

 

 

Some of their points are just ridiculous, especially this part: "Nothing in Ohio’s criminal statutes makes it a crime for someone to ridicule a rape victim on a video or otherwise say horrible things about another person. Further, nothing in the law allows someone who says repugnant things on Twitter, Facebook, or other Internet sites to be criminally charged for such statements. Steubenville Police investigators are caring humans who recoil and are repulsed by many of the things they observe during an investigation. Like detectives in every part of America and the world, they are often frustrated when they emotionally want to hold people accountable for certain detestable behavior but realize that there is no statute that allows a criminal charge to be made." 

 

First, I don't know if that blanket statement is true. And second, good lord is that in bad taste. If this web page intended on being objective, they just threw that out the window. I think we know what side of the bread their butter is on.

 

I think what they're trying to say is that just because the police and courts are repulsed and horrified by something, they still have to follow the rules of law....as established on the day of the offense.

 

In some ways it's like the OJ case.  Most people believed he did it, but overzealous efforts to prove this that crossed the line turned out to be counterproductive.

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E Rocc, I'm just going to assume you haven't been following this case. She wasn't consenting to anything because she was physically unconscious and being carried around by her hands and legs.

 

At what point?  Alcohol works gradually.  It's entirely possible that some of these kids are guilty of rape, and some are not.  This is why we have courts that can and do exclude misleading or emotionally provocative but substantially ambiguous evidence.

 

Good point above about how in this case, "Anonymous" could primarily be the local hacker clique, looking for payback for perceived slights or even what they consider "bullying" (the definition of which has expanded alarmingly in recent years).

 

When I attended college every student was obligated to attend a date rape presentation where it was made very clear that consent given when a young lady or woman is intoxicated (and not necessarily "passed out") is essentially invalid and could be grounds for a subsequent rape charge.  Now I'm not certain what the law says, but that is what we were told and I do think there is some good reasoning behind that.

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This situation is a complete embarassment.  Granted there is still more investigating and I wont come to certain conclusions at this point...the way it smells is awful.  One thing that is  fact is that they are very concerned about their football team and the impacts it will have on them.  This is the epitome of a brain-drain, no way out, sad place.  This is what happens when parents (who have been in steubenville their whole lives-maybe, probably) raise their children to be high school football players and thats it.  Thats going to be their life glory, and when they graduate, the want to have kids to do the same thing.  Now, thats not the picture painted for all of steubenville, but for some, probably too many.  I hate hearing the term "football-crazed" or "they take their football seriously".  Grow the hell up.  EVERYTHING is bigger than your football program, not visa-versa.  As a result, here are some HS players who probably feel like they are greek gods in this city and can do whatever they please (allegedly).  If true, the city needs to look at itself in the mirror, step away from football for a few years and get their lives in order.

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This situation is a complete embarassment.  Granted there is still more investigating and I wont come to certain conclusions at this point...the way it smells is awful.  One thing that is  fact is that they are very concerned about their football team and the impacts it will have on them.  This is the epitome of a brain-drain, no way out, sad place.  This is what happens when parents (who have been in steubenville their whole lives-maybe, probably) raise their children to be high school football players and thats it.  Thats going to be their life glory, and when they graduate, the want to have kids to do the same thing.  Now, thats not the picture painted for all of steubenville, but for some, probably too many.  I hate hearing the term "football-crazed" or "they take their football seriously".  Grow the hell up.  EVERYTHING is bigger than your football program, not visa-versa.  As a result, here are some HS players who probably feel like they are greek gods in this city and can do whatever they please (allegedly).  If true, the city needs to look at itself in the mirror, step away from football for a few years and get their lives in order.

E Rocc, I'm just going to assume you haven't been following this case. She wasn't consenting to anything because she was physically unconscious and being carried around by her hands and legs.

 

At what point?  Alcohol works gradually.  It's entirely possible that some of these kids are guilty of rape, and some are not.  This is why we have courts that can and do exclude misleading or emotionally provocative but substantially ambiguous evidence.

 

Good point above about how in this case, "Anonymous" could primarily be the local hacker clique, looking for payback for perceived slights or even what they consider "bullying" (the definition of which has expanded alarmingly in recent years).

 

When I attended college every student was obligated to attend a date rape presentation where it was made very clear that consent given when a young lady or woman is intoxicated (and not necessarily "passed out") is essentially invalid and could be grounds for a subsequent rape charge.  Now I'm not certain what the law says, but that is what we were told and I do think there is some good reasoning behind that.

 

I don't know what the law in Ohio is, but if the above is accurate you could lock up just about every college guy in America. What happens when both guy-girl

are intoxicated past the point of consent?

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Schools Chief Among 4 Indicted In Steubenville Rape Case

by MARK MEMMOTT

November 25, 201311:53 AM

 

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Steubenville City Schools Superintendent Michael McVey has been "charged with tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice and falsification." Also charged: elementary school principal Lynette Gorman, for alleged failure to report child abuse; wrestling coach Seth Fluharty, for alleged failure to report child abuse; and volunteer football coach Matthew Bellardine, "who faces charges allowing underage drinking, obstructing official business, falsification, and contributing to the delinquency of a minor."

 

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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/11/25/247171043/schools-chief-among-4-indicted-in-steubenville-rape-case

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This situation is a complete embarassment.  Granted there is still more investigating and I wont come to certain conclusions at this point...the way it smells is awful.  One thing that is  fact is that they are very concerned about their football team and the impacts it will have on them.  This is the epitome of a brain-drain, no way out, sad place.  This is what happens when parents (who have been in steubenville their whole lives-maybe, probably) raise their children to be high school football players and thats it.  Thats going to be their life glory, and when they graduate, the want to have kids to do the same thing.  Now, thats not the picture painted for all of steubenville, but for some, probably too many.  I hate hearing the term "football-crazed" or "they take their football seriously".  Grow the hell up.  EVERYTHING is bigger than your football program, not visa-versa.  As a result, here are some HS players who probably feel like they are greek gods in this city and can do whatever they please (allegedly).  If true, the city needs to look at itself in the mirror, step away from football for a few years and get their lives in order.

E Rocc, I'm just going to assume you haven't been following this case. She wasn't consenting to anything because she was physically unconscious and being carried around by her hands and legs.

 

At what point?  Alcohol works gradually.  It's entirely possible that some of these kids are guilty of rape, and some are not.  This is why we have courts that can and do exclude misleading or emotionally provocative but substantially ambiguous evidence.

 

Good point above about how in this case, "Anonymous" could primarily be the local hacker clique, looking for payback for perceived slights or even what they consider "bullying" (the definition of which has expanded alarmingly in recent years).

 

When I attended college every student was obligated to attend a date rape presentation where it was made very clear that consent given when a young lady or woman is intoxicated (and not necessarily "passed out") is essentially invalid and could be grounds for a subsequent rape charge.  Now I'm not certain what the law says, but that is what we were told and I do think there is some good reasoning behind that.

 

I don't know what the law in Ohio is, but if the above is accurate you could lock up just about every college guy in America. What happens when both guy-girl

are intoxicated past the point of consent?

 

Or how about when the drunk girl initiates matters?  This happens a lot more than people might think.

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