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37 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Of course it does.  They got what every other city wants without having a representative in Congress, which means it's not important for a locality.  

 

So the 700,000 residents of DC shouldn't have a say if we do things like...go to war, approve SCOTUS and federal judge seats, decide to defund or increase funding on Federal programs. Got it.

I'm sure the 3.2 million American citizens that live in Puerto Rico don't deserve any of those things too.

 

This thread is so full of bad takes that you could make a drinking game out of it.

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Not to mention racial segregation and urban poverty in DC and all the federal policies which created/exacerbated those problems over the decades.

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9 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

 

So the 700,000 residents of DC shouldn't have a say if we do things like

 

So that 1 rep in the House is going to sway the other 435 434?  Hooray for a fraction of 1% of representation.  

 

Yesterday there were some typical do-gooders (and no doubt active on Twitter) on NPR taking about how recent close Senate votes wouldn't have been close if there were two more D senators in the mix.  NOPE, you knuckleheads.  That's not how politics work.  Not now, not ever.  A contentious issue is what plants politicians crave.     

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2 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

So that 1 rep in the House is going to sway the other 435 434?  Hooray for a fraction of 1% of representation.  

 

Yesterday there were some typical do-gooders (and no doubt active on Twitter) on NPR taking about how recent close Senate votes wouldn't have been close if there were two more D senators in the mix.  NOPE, you knuckleheads.  That's not how politics work.  Not now, not ever.  A contentious issue is what plants politicians crave.     

 

So small jurisdictions shouldn't have representation because they're small? Huh?

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2 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

So that 1 rep in the House is going to sway the other 435 434?  Hooray for a fraction of 1% of representation.  

 

This is a weird argument against every House district.  Who cares about OH-8, it's just 1 rep.  Who cares about MI-12, it's just 1 rep.  Etc.  And also doesn't address Senators.

 

Pretty hilarious you've come up with more than half a dozen "arguments," all of which fall apart with the slightest scrutiny.


Very Stable Genius

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Representation doesn't matter because you don't get all the representation.  Your vote doesn't matter because others vote.  This is the dumbest possible argument.

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3 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

Yeah, residents of DC are being cajoled by the national D party into thinking they're victims with their free museums, giant free events, world-class classical music performances (sometimes free), all four major sports, fantastic Amtrak service, no cell towers, no utility poles, vast intact historic and walkable neighborhoods, zero industrial pollution, easy rail access to international airports, etc., etc. 

 

 

First off, residents of DC have been fighting for this LONG before the current debate and before the Democratic Party embraced the idea. Do you think DC residents are incapable of thinking for themselves? 

 

Second off, by your logic, the fact that many people are perfectly happy living under authoritarian regimes is reason enough not to advocate for democracy. Lots of Russians love living in Russia. Do you think that excuses the lack of say they have in their country? 

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2 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

So that 1 rep in the House is going to sway the other 435 434?  Hooray for a fraction of 1% of representation.  

 

Yesterday there were some typical do-gooders (and no doubt active on Twitter) on NPR taking about how recent close Senate votes wouldn't have been close if there were two more D senators in the mix.  NOPE, you knuckleheads.  That's not how politics work.  Not now, not ever.  A contentious issue is what plants politicians crave.     

 

So does this logic then apply to Wyoming and Vermont? Both have only one member of the house and the standard two Senators. Do they matter more than the 700K residents just because their states were approved first?

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10 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

 

So does this logic 

 

By what logic does the urban "county" of Washington, DC, which has fewer residents than Hamilton County, OH, get two senators?

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Just now, jmecklenborg said:

 

By what logic does the urban "county" of Washington, DC, which has fewer residents than Hamilton County, OH, get two senators?

 

The same logic that says Wyoming and Vermont get two?  What logic says they get ZERO representation?  I could see arguments for DC being reverted to Maryland and for it becoming a state (or at least getting 2 senators), but the current situation seems illogical.

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1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

By what logic does the urban "county" of Washington, DC, which has fewer residents than Hamilton County, OH, get two senators?

 

That's a beef with the Senate, not with DC being a state. Multiple states have less people than Hamilton County, OH. 

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7 hours ago, jam40jeff said:

 

but the current situation seems illogical.

 

The state borders, the structure of Congress, and process by which we elect the President would obviously be different if our 1787 Constitution were shredded and we started anew.  But be very careful what you wish for - no matter what shape the system takes, bad actors will find a way to exploit it to their advantage. 

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

By what logic does the urban "county" of Washington, DC, which has fewer residents than Hamilton County, OH, get two senators?

 

9 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

The state borders, the structure of Congress, and process by which we elect the President would obviously be different if our 1787 Constitution were shredded and we started anew.  But be very careful what you wish for - no matter what shape the system takes, bad actors will find a way to exploit it to their advantage. 

 

You answered your own question. The logic in which Washington, DC, which has fewer residents than Hamilton County, but could get two senators, is the logic laid out in our 1787 Constitution.

 

And in case it sounds like I mean that in some kind of negative way, I don't - I mean it in a factual way.

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