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I can't get over the scale of this project... Hudson Yards alone is bigger than a lot of cities' entire downtowns!


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The Vessel is the most exciting part of the project to me. As much as I'm loving covering a giant hole in the fabric of Manhattan with gigantic buildings, public space, new subway station, etc. this centerpiece is going to offer the everyday person something to do there. And climbing to its top will provide some really interesting vantage points of the new neighborhood.

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yeah the vessel and the completion of the highline park stub are what i am most looking forward to as of now. the view platform on top of the mammoth 30 hy tower will be nice too.

 

otherwise it all seems pretty sterile.

 

no doubt there will be some kind of other amenities when they get to the western section of the hy. at least nice park and courtyard areas as that will be mostly residential. we'll see.

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I think overall it'll feel pretty lively once finished. It's a massive challenge though to achieve a comfortable feeling with only massive buildings. It's the reason the rest of Manhattan works so well. There's a solid 2-15 story base to the island that grounds the massive towers. When you ONLY have massive towers it's much harder.

 

I'm also super excited to watch the Culture Shed slide in and out of its spot. Such an interesting feature. And it's massive. I knew it was huge but seeing it in person has really changed my understanding of its scale. It's an entire building that slides on rails. Pretty awesome.

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^ yeah i wonder what they are going to do with that? maybe it will be like blossom, a summer site for the orchestra? pop shows? plays? who knows, but that will be a very nice and unusual public facility to have too. i guess i shouldnt write off the new shopping mall either lol. if some of the towers can add indoor-outdoor cafes or something like that into the park area perimeter, and not just chi-chi stuff, no doubt it will make the experience of being in there more comfortable and less dystopic.

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an end of summer review of the hy developments --

 

 

from the intrepid today

 

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good question.

 

black rock has 50 hy, pfizer has the spiral and a variety of law firms have locked up 55 hy.

 

so the hy area is pretty booked up.

 

a possibility is it could kickstart 2wtc (which fox had backed away from)? it would be nice to have the the final piece in the wtc puzzle completed.

 

i know that morgan stanley and deutsche bank also have rfps out for new hq buildings, so if amazon picked nyc they would be throwing in with those large firms for new offices.

 

in the end i doubt amazon will choose nyc though -- and i hope they don't. let somebody else have a shot at it. it's probably a better fit for the midwest or atlanta or something like that. no reason for them to incure the nyc headaches and costs.

 

amazon has 7w34st now as 470k sqft of back office and 132k sqft at 1350 6th ave, plus they are looking to expand that, so its not like nyc has nothing from them:

 

https://www.bisnow.com/new-york/news/office/amazon-manhattan-office-search-69106

 

 

edit -- it looks like the nytimes is predicting denver will get the amazon golden goose egg -- i would think it should be further east, and i would hope amazon would throw in with a perhaps less heralded metro, but denver is certainly not exactly a bad or tough guess:

 

https://therealdeal.com/2017/09/11/why-nyc-probably-wont-win-the-5b-amazon-hq-prize/

 

 

 

 

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30 hy aka the north tower, is up over 1000' now ---

 

 

and look at this crazy shot from varick street way down in tribeca from ssp -- it looks freakin alien!  :-o

 

 

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also, the vessel is getting mighty big and prominent now --

 

 

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there was a ground breaking yesterday for this blockbuster office bldg next to the hudson yards. its 3 hudson square. the architect is fxfowle and its pretty boring, but it will have retail on the ground.

 

the most interesting aspect about it is that they have no anchor tenant and moinian, the developer, is building it on spec.

 

https://ny.curbed.com/2017/11/3/16604408/3-hudson-boulevard-hudson-yards-new-renderings

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That triangular building is really striking. I like it a lot! And Hudson Yards appears to be basically adding like downtown Philly to Manhattan. Amazing.

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That triangular building is really striking. I like it a lot! And Hudson Yards appears to be basically adding like downtown Philly to Manhattan. Amazing.

 

I was just in Manhattan for the parade and you can see it clearly from the Weehawken side of the Lincoln Tunnel. I don't like it. It feels fine for Dubai, looks out of place in Manhattan. The triangular building not HY.

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All of the new development along the western edge of the island is completely changing the impression it makes from New Jersey.  It actually makes Manhattan a bit less impressive because these large buildings take the eye's attention away from everything else.  The Empire State Building and Chrysler Building are being obscured from many angles. 

 

Also, the appearance of "Dubai"-type buildings is not helping things.  There is a jenga building in Jersey City, the triangle thing, and now a leaning tower at Hudson Yards.  Those ideas are 20+ years old.  I remember seeing a pair of leaning towers in Madrid and they dominate the whole area despite not being very tall. 

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All of the new development along the western edge of the island is completely changing the impression it makes from New Jersey.  It actually makes Manhattan a bit less impressive because these large buildings take the eye's attention away from everything else.  The Empire State Building and Chrysler Building are being obscured from many angles. 

 

Also, the appearance of "Dubai"-type buildings is not helping things.  There is a jenga building in Jersey City, the triangle thing, and now a leaning tower at Hudson Yards.  Those ideas are 20+ years old.  I remember seeing a pair of leaning towers in Madrid and they dominate the whole area despite not being very tall.

 

I 100% agree about HY obscuring Empire and Chrysler from the west. Particularly Chrysler. I do like the project but NY's skyline does feel a little less iconic than it did 15 years ago. I don't think the tall thin condos just north of the commercial center of Midtown/Times Square are helping either.

 

You can throw in the new WTC buildings as well. I know the old one's were just giant boxes but they looked impressive. The new WTC buidlings are tall but their volume seems smaller when you see it from a distance compared to the old WTC.

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the triangle building is called via 57 by bjarke ingels --- and yeah its both striking and a goofy out of place dubai type building. however, all in all its definately adding to manhattan, a mish-mash of varied structures from very different eras like no other place.

 

as for hy and the rest of these waterfront buildings blocking things for nj viewers, in five years they won't matter because a slew of supertalls are underway or planned, so there will be a new higher level of iconic structures behind all of them.

 

and i wouldn't worry about the classics, the esb will always be the esb.

 

btw the mini-hudson yards like development you can see going up just north of the triangle building in the photo is called waterline square. its three apt buildings by 3 different architects, so even more mix&match mish-mash.

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I walked around Hudson Yards for the first time a few weeks ago. I hated it. I thought I had been transported to downtown Houston on a Sunday afternoon (not that I've ever been there) or to the waterfront section of Toronto where tons of new development, but essentially soulless, is being built. It was awful. Even when lots of people start working there it's just going to look like a slightly less bland skyscraper version of a suburban office park. Look at these (presumably) tourists in the picture. They're probably saying to themselves "we wasted an hour walking all this way to look at this?!"

 

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^^I'm surprised that's your reaction. I think it looks gorgeous, a complete rebirth of Western Manhattan with unlimited potential. Old meets new with the trains disappearing under those behemoths.

 

Look up Lakeshore East in Chicago. Pretty similar to Hudson Yards and an absolute treasure for the city.

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I 100% agree about HY obscuring Empire and Chrysler from the west. Particularly Chrysler. I do like the project but NY's skyline does feel a little less iconic than it did 15 years ago. I don't think the tall thin condos just north of the commercial center of Midtown/Times Square are helping either.

 

You can throw in the new WTC buildings as well. I know the old one's were just giant boxes but they looked impressive. The new WTC buidlings are tall but their volume seems smaller when you see it from a distance compared to the old WTC.

 

Yeah the new Freedom Tower is a yawn.  The old WTC duo was much more impressive and the way they were offset created all sorts of subtle variations. 

 

For longtime New Yorkers, the WTC towers threw everything off-balance but if you grew up with them they were just part of it.  When they were gone, the Empire State Building was once again the tallest building.  Now there a half-dozen buildings as tall or taller, none of which are iconic. 

 

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That's definitely an objectively false statement. Currently the only buildings as tall or taller than the ESB are 1 WTC (which is indeed a bit of a snooze), 432 Park which is iconic whether you like it or not, and the Bank of America Tower which is pretty distinctive for 21st century corporate architecture.

 

And coming we have 111W57th which will be stunningly gorgeous, 30HY which you incorrectly claimed leans (it tapers, zero leaning occurs in Hudson Yards), Central Park Tower (renderings aren't quite detailed enough to really know how it'll turn out), One Vanderbilt which will very likely become an icon of East Midtown, 2WTC which has always had the most polarizing designs but is still a mystery as to what will really be built, and 45 Broad Street which will very well likely become a distinctive piece of Lower Manhattan.

 

Several of these new buildings employ super high end finishes, design aesthetics, structure, etc. and are absolutely going to be icons. In 20 years people will absolutely look at some of them as icons.

 

The old WTC may have had more of an overbearing presence, but that's because they literally tore down an entire functioning neighborhood to build a really terrible series of buildings and plaza. The WTC employed every bad idea from the new urbanism phase of the 60s. They may have looked interesting on the skyline but were awful buildings and sucked the life out of a corner of Lower Manhattan that used to be diverse neighborhood. The new complex doesn't have the most interesting towers in the world, but the site planning is where it excels and its integration of the transit hub into the area is what is most iconic about it. It's switching from an idea of a powerful skyline to a powerful site plan which is far more important to the operations of a city.

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while it may not impress from a distance as the twins did, the new wtc, or freedom tower or 1wtc, if you have ever been next to it or inside it, is indeed iconic in its materials. for example, i dont think ive ever seen higher quality glass, its stunning.

 

there are supertalls at hy on the way that will stand out behind the waterfront bldgs, like 50hy and the spiral. we will see how striking they are, but regardless in the end the hy area is sure to be more of a typical manhattan mix.

 

and as for more icons dont forget 9 dekalb in brooklyn, as gothic a supertall as there ever could be if the renders hold up. on the jersey side, 99 hudson is an absolute behemoth, i dont think people realize whats coming lol. it will be tallest in jc. as for the jenga building, its called urby and two more are supposedly on the way. i think three of them will be pretty iconic.

 

and lastly, dont forget all the other 1000’ers planned or on the way. for example, while i dont have high hopes for the russian fifth ave apt bldg, i do for the 1400’+ 80 south st down at the seaport.

 

the point is that the city is always changing and currently construction permitting is running at an all time high, so its inevitable new icons and new mini-city developments like hy and lic and the like shake out along the way. if you are just plain impatient and want to see something new and unusual, if not iconic right now, check out the domino sugar plant redevelopent.

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stunning aerial drone video of the westside and the hy:

 

 

 

 

 

 

this is a screenshot of the vessel and culture shed

 

 

 

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i think some people into planning will enjoy this long video. developer stephen ross talks about hudson yards and takes questions from harvard architecture students. they really brought up basic issues, like why he chose the tower forms over other possibilities. he is very straightforward about it all.

 

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if you are so inclined, this is a pretty cool existential takedown of hudson yards!

 

 

 

Superhuman City

 

Hudson Yards, a mega-neighborhood built from scratch, comes into view.

 

By Justin Davidson

 

 

 

Related hired a bouquet of architects as a hedge against corporate uniformity. Then it imposed corporate uniformity on them all.

 

 

more:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/superhuman-city-a-walk-through-hudson-yards.html

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excavation work has wrapped and foundation work is starting on the norman foster 50 hy.

 

people sometimes complain about gentrification, but this block buster is literally replacing a drive thru mcdonalds lol:

 

 

Spanning an entire city block, 50 Hudson Yards will be the fourth largest commercial office tower and the most expensive one in New York City upon completion. Its total cost is expected to be just shy of $4 billion. Once complete, the 985-foot tall structure will yield 2.9 million square feet within. The building has already secured one anchor tenant, with BlackRock agreeing to lease 850,000 square feet.

 

 

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more:

https://newyorkyimby.com/2018/05/excavation-wraps-for-foster-partners-50-hudson-yards-as-foundation-work-begins.html

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also of note in the above link -- i had heard phase two aka the western yards decking may start this year:

 

50 Hudson Yards is the final tower to rise in Related Companies’ phase one of Hudson Yards. Phase Two, as known as The Western Yards, will be located across the several blocks between 11th and 12th Avenue. The seven-building development will create residential space, one office complex, and a school for K-8th grade education. Of the 6.22 million square feet created, two million square feet will be office, four million will be for residential use, 100,000 square feet will be retail, and 120,000 square feet will be for the school.

 

 

trouble ahead for the western yards?

 

The 50 hy lot has been in the news lately because of a dispute between Related Co. and the Building and Construction Trades Council of Greater New York. The tension has risen following the proposal to use “open shop” crews for phase two, according to The Real Deal.

 

 

hy master plan

 

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