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If Congress can't agree on how to move this country forward, we can offer up suggestions.

 

Here's one -- take $5B out of the defense budget and offer it up for the wall.  The Pentagon's accounting system is practically DESIGNED to prevent an audit, and the defense budget is so HUGE they won't even notice!  And don't we "need the wall for defense"?

 

Or maybe get the heck out of Afghanistan already, that's $45B per year.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/pentagon-says-afghan-war-costs-taxpayers-45-billion-per-year

 

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We can't function. Democracy is irrelevant to them. GOP power consolidation is relevant...

 

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"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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On 1/19/2019 at 4:05 PM, taestell said:

 

It's almost like people have already forgotten that this happened:

 

"I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck," the president said. "So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not gonna blame you for it. The last time you shut it down it didn't work. I will take the mantle of shutting down. And I'm gonna shut it down for border security."

THIS THIS THIS. Simply roll the tape every single time he claims its someone else's fault.

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https://www.newsmax.com/politics/paul-ryan-dems-filibuster-blame/2018/01/21/id/838434/

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“The point I'm trying to makes if you want to get these problems solved, open up the government, resume negotiations and let's solve these problems." - Paul Ryan

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/day-2-shutdown-begins-blame-not-bargain-n839631

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"We're going to demand that they reopen the government," Pence said. "In fact, we're not going to reopen negotiations on illegal immigration until they reopen the government and give you, our soldiers and your families, the benefits and wages you've earned."

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/government-shutdown-2018-trump-republicans-345532

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“Sen. Schumer, do not shut down the federal government," Ryan told reporters after the House vote. “It is risky, it is reckless and it is wrong.”

 

https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/McConnell-schedules-procedural-vote-with-hours-until-a-government-shutdown-470201963.html

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"There is a deal out there to be made," House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows, R-North Carolina, told CBSN Saturday afternoon, talking about immigration. "I'm willing to engage. the president is willing to engage. All we need to do is open this government back up and get to a solution in the coming weeks."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/22/government-shutdown-republicans-daca-minor-immigration-deal-to-end-deadlock

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“Open the government and then we’ll resume negotiations, it’s just that clear,” Ryan said on Fox and Friends on Monday.

 

^From January, 2018...in case it wasn't clear the GOP is a bunch of bad faith hypocrites.


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Great news, everyone. The wall is under construction and will be finished in under two years. They must've found some change under couch cushions in the White House. Time to reopen the government.

 

 

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https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/426668-mcconnell-blocks-bill-to-reopen-most-of-government

 

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Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) went to the Senate floor to ask for consent to take up the House-passed bill that would fund every agency and department impacted by the partial shutdown, except the Department of Homeland Security, through Sept. 30.

 

McConnell, however, objected. It's the fourth time he's blocked the bill to reopen most of government. He has also blocked, as recently as Tuesday, a House-passed bill to fund the Department of Homeland Security through Feb. 8.

 

Mitch "Open the government, then we'll negotiate" McConnell continues to block government funding bills that he got unanimously passed through the Senate in December.


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2 hours ago, taestell said:

Great news, everyone. The wall is under construction and will be finished in under two years. They must've found some change under couch cushions in the White House. Time to reopen the government.

 

 

 

Pray for....what?


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"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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Then it's time for air traffic controllers to walk off the job until they can do their jobs safely...

 

Air traffic controllers' union issues dire safety warning over shutdown

‘We cannot even calculate the level of risk currently at play, nor predict the point at which the entire system will break,’ representatives write

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/23/air-traffic-controllers-government-shutdown-warning


"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 9:53 AM, DarkandStormy said:

More patented conservative compassion on display.

 

1 minute ago, freefourur said:

 but liberals are out of touch elites. 

 


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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/24/senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-fund-border-wall-and-end-shutdown-1124728

 

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The Senate blocked two proposals on Thursday to reopen the government, but amid the ongoing stalemate, there’s some hope that Washington might be inching closer toward ending a shutdown now on its 34th day.

 

In a 52-44 vote, the Senate rejected House-backed legislation that would fund the government through February 8. The Senate, in a 50-47 vote, blocked legislation endorsed by President Donald Trump that provided $5.7 billion for his border wall and granted temporary protection for some undocumented immigrants.

 

The language is kind of poor here.  The 52-44 was in favor of the House-backed legislation (a bill that passed 100-0 in December before the shutdown).  It just didn't reach the 60-vote threshold.

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Good. This may be the only way the shutdown ends.....

 

 


"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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12 minutes ago, KJP said:

Good. This may be the only way the shutdown ends.....

 

 

 

"I don't understand why these folks can't just fly private jets to their destinations."

-Wilbur Ross, probably

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What's so bizarre is that this assumption that Democrats will cave because they're the ones who care about federal workers is just baked into the political calculus.  Republicans never (at least, long term) pay a price for consistently using federal workers as political bargaining chips.  They hold federal workers hostage (or the debt ceiling) and then just expect Democrats to give them what they want and the media largely plays along.  Voters usually end up voting Republican within the following 4-6 years.  It's just baked in that Republicans by and large do not care that these workers are not getting paid, that these services are not being delivered to the country, etc.  Working people should not be used as a negotiating chip, nearly exclusively by one political party.  Stop voting for these ***holes who want to govern by shutdown.


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Once again, when your long term play is to undermine faith in the capacity of the Federal Government to do anything, promoting this sort of instability actually helps overall, even if you take a little blame in the short term.  That's the GOP game.

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^Except, I think it's showing people that government services can actually be good - air traffic controllers, TSA, inspecting planes, inspecting food, approving loans, etc.

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3 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

^Except, I think it's showing people that government services can actually be good - air traffic controllers, TSA, inspecting planes, inspecting food, approving loans, etc.

 

Hopefully that's the message that people will take from this.  I'm more pessimistic- that the only message the average voter will take from it is that government can't be counted on.

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The key takeaway from this shutdown is that Congressional Democrats want open borders so badly that they're willing to force hundreds of thousands of very, very hard working government employees to go without pay for weeks if it means our border remains weaker and more porous than it could be.

 

It'll be interesting to see what comes of negotiations over the next three weeks. If there's no border security funding, we might end up with another shutdown. Hurry up and file your tax returns!

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

The key takeaway from this shutdown is that Congressional Democrats want open borders so badly that they're willing to force hundreds of thousands of very, very hard working government employees to go without pay for weeks if it means our border remains weaker and more porous than it could be.

 

It'll be interesting to see what comes of negotiations over the next three weeks. If there's no border security funding, we might end up with another shutdown. Hurry up and file your tax returns!

 

 

 

 

You should have been a writer for the Colbert Report when it was still on

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Wow, you cultists really do have selective hearing. Did nothing Individual #1 say about owning this shutdown sink in? The CAVEman and his artful dealing....what a loser.

 

How easily did Trump CAVE to Pelosi?

 

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"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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2 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

You should have been a writer for the Colbert Report when it was still on

 

Malcolm Gladwell covers this extensively in his Revisionist History podcast - no one actually changed their mind because of Colbert.  Liberals watched the show and thought he did a perfect caricature of conservatives.  Conservatives believed he was speaking correctly when he would go over the top with the socialists/communists insults of Democrats.

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27 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

The key takeaway from this shutdown is that Congressional Democrats want open borders so badly that they're willing to force hundreds of thousands of very, very hard working government employees to go without pay for weeks if it means our border remains weaker and more porous than it could be.

I thought you guys were big on personal responsibility - Trump said he'd be proud to own the shutdown.  Does personal responsibility magically not apply to Republicans?

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1 hour ago, Ram23 said:

The key takeaway from this shutdown is that Congressional Democrats want open borders so badly that they're willing to force hundreds of thousands of very, very hard working government employees to go without pay for weeks if it means our border remains weaker and more porous than it could be.

 

It'll be interesting to see what comes of negotiations over the next three weeks. If there's no border security funding, we might end up with another shutdown. Hurry up and file your tax returns!

 

 

 

My takeaway is you're never getting your wall.

 

Also, to Republicans that kept saying Democrats should cave... lol. 

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1 hour ago, eastvillagedon said:

^and we saw how fast they threw the Dreamers under the bus despite Trump's last offer to allow them an unprecedented 3 year extension. Such compassion. 

 

I can taste the salt from here.

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