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On 10/12/2018 at 11:53 AM, Foraker said:

 

I agree -- but "sprawl" is also a thing in those areas.  I pass through St. Henry regularly and it seems like there's a new further-out suburban-style development every time.  They are obviously doing well, and within commuting distance of a lot of employers outside of St. Henry.  But is it sustainable?

 

 

No.  Every additional mile of new development (mostly cul-de-sacs) is adding to their road, water, and sewer maintenance costs.  The population is growing, but not as fast as the rate of maintenance cost increases.  The extended family I know there are all in denial, think that their town is special and different.

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On 2/9/2019 at 6:29 AM, E Rocc said:

 

My dad lives in West Jeff and he comments on a lot of distribution and such going on in that area.   He seems comfortable there and as you say it's not that far into Columbus.

 

I've heard some of the distribution centers that go through heavy turnover have been looking into four six hour shifts, or conversely four tens with three days off, rotating staff.   The latter is traditionally good for employee morale when jobs are not too physically taxing (we are doing it now in our busiest department), the former when they are.

I am right outside of West Jeff and yeah, they are getting the new Amazon distribution center plus another big warehouse is being built (not sure if it is just speculative or not) and all. They also extended water lines to the newer addition to Battelle only on the condition that all of Battelle annex into West Jeff. When it comes to tax base they seem to be doing ok.

 

*and I have worked four ten hour shifts before and it is great to have a Monday and Tuesday and then a Thursday and Friday with Wednesday off and never working more than two days in a row. Especially if you have a long commute.

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2 hours ago, Foraker said:

No.  Every additional mile of new development (mostly cul-de-sacs) is adding to their road, water, and sewer maintenance costs.  The population is growing, but not as fast as the rate of maintenance cost increases.  The extended family I know there are all in denial, think that their town is special and different.

 

This is so true. I wish that more Ohio conservatives would get into the Strong Towns mindset. Spending money on new infrastructure for auto-oriented sprawl is newer going to result in enough investment to pay for the ongoing maintenance of that infrastructure. And yet, most Ohioans are so used to the idea that "of course, our taxes pay for roads," the vast majority of people don't ever stop and question this development pattern. When ODOT goes broke and a the Republican governor and Republican legislature propose a large gas tax hike instead of reeling in ODOT's spending, you know things are upside down.

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16 hours ago, Toddguy said:

I am right outside of West Jeff and yeah, they are getting the new Amazon distribution center plus another big warehouse is being built (not sure if it is just speculative or not) and all. They also extended water lines to the newer addition to Battelle only on the condition that all of Battelle annex into West Jeff. When it comes to tax base they seem to be doing ok.

 

*and I have worked four ten hour shifts before and it is great to have a Monday and Tuesday and then a Thursday and Friday with Wednesday off and never working more than two days in a row. Especially if you have a long commute.

 

Impressed they pulled that off.   My dad lives in that area because he worked at Battelle for awhile.   I know they have wanted to do that for some time.

 

We got busy again ("coincidentally" when the Dems took over the House)  but what we did was kept everyone on four tens but staggered them through the week.

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12 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

Impressed they pulled that off.   My dad lives in that area because he worked at Battelle for awhile.   I know they have wanted to do that for some time.

 

We got busy again ("coincidentally" when the Dems took over the House)  but what we did was kept everyone on four tens but staggered them through the week.

They are still wanting to put in that big development on along and south of 40 east of 142, but have gotten some pushback because of environmental concerns. Something like a 300 acre development with a Kroger-the town needs a grocery store...a real one and not a Dollar General/Family Dollar. As long as they really can address environmental concerns they should go for it. People have to live somewhere with possibly up to another million moving into Central Ohio in the next 35 years or so...and they can't all live north of 70 either(nor afford to). There is easy access to 70 and 270. The town does need to be brought into the current century IMHO-there is not a lot of "there" there. Growing in the retail/restaurant/residential direction is needed as they seem to have the tax base covered pretty well. They are getting jobs out here(not glamorous or easy jobs but still jobs)..they need more people as the town has been stuck just below 5,000 for decades now.

 

* I have to admit, the only businesses I ever have used in West Jeff have been a gas station, The McDonalds, the Family Dollar a couple times and a dentist-the one who had his office in the old building in downtown West Jeff that fell into Main Street a few years back lol. I just skip West Jeff and go into Columbus for anything or occasionally London. 

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The litter is not only an urban/black problem though. Drive around the beautiful rolling hills of southeast Ohio and you'll see trash in all the roadside ditches and littering people's properties. I grew up out that way and I remember tons of adults nonchalantly throwing their trash out the car window. You see it all the time. 

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14 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

The litter is not only an urban/black problem though. Drive around the beautiful rolling hills of southeast Ohio and you'll see trash in all the roadside ditches and littering people's properties. I grew up out that way and I remember tons of adults nonchalantly throwing their trash out the car window. You see it all the time. 

I also grew up in southeast Ohio. I remember seeing a commercial where I believe it was the local police telling people to not through TVs or couches into the woods which a lot of people did. 

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Currently living in Southeast OH. I can say it's also not a generational problem as just today I found a bunch of pull tab Rolling Rock cans in the woods that looked to be from the 70s, as well as a Coke bottle from Parkersburg, WV and a Dr. Pepper bottled in Elyria, OH with 10¢ marked in the glass. Also found a Moerlein bottle fragment in Cincy once, like a pre 80s original.

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18 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

I also grew up in southeast Ohio. I remember seeing a commercial where I believe it was the local police telling people to not through TVs or couches into the woods which a lot of people did. 

 

Trust me they still do. I'm curious to see what part of SEO you guys are from. 

 

As a landlord myself, I know the pain of trying to keep a property cleaned up after a bad tenant. I can only imagine what it would be like in the city and i'm sure its quite a bit more expensive as well. 

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1 hour ago, back40 said:

 

Trust me they still do. I'm curious to see what part of SEO you guys are from. 

 

As a landlord myself, I know the pain of trying to keep a property cleaned up after a bad tenant. I can only imagine what it would be like in the city and i'm sure its quite a bit more expensive as well. 

I am from Marietta 

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Marietta is arguably the nicest city in Southeast Ohio.


"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

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9 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

Marietta is arguably the nicest city in Southeast Ohio.

I wouldn’t disagree with that. The downtown area is really nice for a city it’s size. It was a great place growing up but not a place I’d ever move back to. 

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There is a rumor that the new owners of The Majestic failed to do their planning and are no longer moving it to AC. Marietta is the new rumored destination. I guess we will see how that plays out. I know this is off topic of the thread so I apologize. 

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On 3/27/2019 at 12:29 PM, DEPACincy said:

The litter is not only an urban/black problem though. Drive around the beautiful rolling hills of southeast Ohio and you'll see trash in all the roadside ditches and littering people's properties. I grew up out that way and I remember tons of adults nonchalantly throwing their trash out the car window. You see it all the time. 

 

I don't think anyone said it is "only an urban/black problem." Litter is exacerbated in urban areas for a number of reasons, which makes it a much larger problem than littering in rural areas. Even if the rates of littering are the exact same, in an urban area it's going to pile up much more quickly, and do so in places that are inconvenient and unsanitary for residents. I'd also wager that rates of littering are much higher in urban areas because there's a subset of the population that typically wouldn't litter, but do so because they're in an environment that's already covered in litter. It's broken windows theory 101. There are also less significant, but still impactful factors. For example, it's easier to secure your refuse and hold onto it until you have access to a waste receptacle when you're in a car than when you're on foot.

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15 hours ago, Ram23 said:

 

I don't think anyone said it is "only an urban/black problem." Litter is exacerbated in urban areas for a number of reasons, which makes it a much larger problem than littering in rural areas. Even if the rates of littering are the exact same, in an urban area it's going to pile up much more quickly, and do so in places that are inconvenient and unsanitary for residents. I'd also wager that rates of littering are much higher in urban areas because there's a subset of the population that typically wouldn't litter, but do so because they're in an environment that's already covered in litter. It's broken windows theory 101. There are also less significant, but still impactful factors. For example, it's easier to secure your refuse and hold onto it until you have access to a waste receptacle when you're in a car than when you're on foot.

 

I didn't mean to imply that anyone here was saying that. I was only adding to the discussion brought up by the City Beat article that was shared. 

 

I also don't know if rates are actually higher in urban areas. I have known people who would never even consider throwing something on the ground walking down the street but have no problem throwing something out their window going 65 mph down the highway. When you're in a car you are more anonymous and you are removed from the environment around you. I distinctly remember an acquaintance in high school who couldn't find a trash can at the county fair so he took his soda cup with him back to his truck and then threw it out the window once we got a little ways down the highway. It's weird. 

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On 3/28/2019 at 7:40 AM, back40 said:

 

Trust me they still do. I'm curious to see what part of SEO you guys are from. 

 

As a landlord myself, I know the pain of trying to keep a property cleaned up after a bad tenant. I can only imagine what it would be like in the city and i'm sure its quite a bit more expensive as well. 

 

So I actually grew up in Adams County, which I guess is technically Southwest Ohio but is much closer culturally to Southeast Ohio and Eastern KY. But I spent a lot of time with family in Jackson County and Scioto County, and I went to college at OU. 

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Littering and dumping was actually way worse in the '60s and '70s. Appalachia in particular is way worse about the yards full of junk still today though. The Uncool Crescent of Columbus also with the unincorporated parts the worst.  

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