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"Everything?"  Of course not.  He was actively planning and assisting attacks on America and Americans overseas.  Speech in furtherance of a conspiracy is part of the act of conspiracy, not standalone speech.

 

But many of his speeches would be constitutionally protected, and indeed, radical Islamic clerics do exist in the US today and can often stay on the right side of US law.

 

The NRA is not masterminding attacks on Americans, and in fact they certainly at least view themselves (even if you think that view is erroneous) as attempting to prevent or fight back against such attacks.

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21 hours ago, Ram23 said:

 

I think the line should be the same for civilians and civilian law enforcement. I think it's currently drawn in a pretty good place (at least in Ohio).

 

Remember that this is a Constitutional right we are talking about. Any lines that are drawn need to be palatable if you were to draw a similarly restrictive line around the 1st or 5th Amendments.

We should be disarming the police anyways, good call.

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2 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

This is the "intellectual leader" of the right, who has espoused that "government regulation is unacceptable" and now "it's illegitimate for private citizens to use their market power to influence corporations for political ends."  Also..."simply pressure massive corporations to do their political bidding" is now a problem for Ben since it's coming from the left, but he's basically ignoring that it's the entire Republican strategy.

 

The view "if I don't like it, you can't do it" is truly a good faith and noble iteration of facts not caring about your feelings.

Ben has a point. Under the Obama administration, it was pretty much an open discussion that the Treasury dept and the bank regulators were openly pressuring the banks to make it more difficult on gun manufacturers and suppliers to get credit and access to the credit markets. When you are Wal Mart or another large corporation that needs continual access to massive lines of credit, paying an extra .25 to .5% is significant. Having the additional hoops to jump through to do this can be significant. If they are not a huge part of the bottom line, it is likely not worth it.

 

In Wal Mart's case, I think the negative publicity they have had from a few prominent shootings at their stores (going back to the guy in Centerville) also likely had something to do with their decision.

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21 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Ben has a point. Under the Obama administration, it was pretty much an open discussion that the Treasury dept and the bank regulators were openly pressuring the banks to make it more difficult on gun manufacturers and suppliers to get credit and access to the credit markets. When you are Wal Mart or another large corporation that needs continual access to massive lines of credit, paying an extra .25 to .5% is significant. Having the additional hoops to jump through to do this can be significant. If they are not a huge part of the bottom line, it is likely not worth it.

 

In Wal Mart's case, I think the negative publicity they have had from a few prominent shootings at their stores (going back to the guy in Centerville) also likely had something to do with their decision.

 

We're almost three years removed from the Obama administration.  How is that relevant to the point?

 

Your last sentence is probably true.  They made a business decision or a PR decision or whatever.  Not sure why that's cause for Ben to be so concerned - because he doesn't like their decision?  Remember, facts don't care about your feelings.


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33 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

 When you are Wal Mart or another large corporation that needs continual access to massive lines of credit, paying an extra .25 to .5% is significant. Having the additional hoops to jump through to do this can be significant. If they are not a huge part of the bottom line, it is likely not worth it.

 

Wal Mart has an estimated 8 BILLION in cash/equivalent on its balance sheet.  Hopefully they don't need to worry about lines of credit! 

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23 hours ago, Ram23 said:

 

I think the line should be the same for civilians and civilian law enforcement. I think it's currently drawn in a pretty good place (at least in Ohio).

 

Remember that this is a Constitutional right we are talking about. Any lines that are drawn need to be palatable if you were to draw a similarly restrictive line around the 1st or 5th Amendments.

 

I disagree, and I note that you did not identify where to draw that line, other than the status quo is good for you -- which apparently means you accept the reality of mass shootings.  We'll just have to disagree on that.

 

Any police officers on this board want to comment on how heavily armed they want the civilian population to be?  Personally, I don't think the police really need AR15s either.  Their superior training and the quality of their equipment should give them an edge -- if civilians weren't so heavily armed.  I also don't think the police would be too happy with allowing civilians to hoard smoke and flash-bang grenades...

 

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4 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

We're almost three years removed from the Obama administration.  How is that relevant to the point?

 

Your last sentence is probably true.  They made a business decision or a PR decision or whatever.  Not sure why that's cause for Ben to be so concerned - because he doesn't like their decision?  Remember, facts don't care about your feelings.

The relevancy of it is that this was a policy that was started under the Obama administration through the Treasury. There was never any indication that the programs were ever rolled back under the Trump admin. Often times, these programs are little noticed by the general public and don't generate much press.

 

Of all companies to have an action like this, Wal Mart makes sense. It is such a big target and with so many stores, they don't want to be seen as the go to store for mass shootings.

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9 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

The relevancy of it is that this was a policy that was started under the Obama administration through the Treasury. There was never any indication that the programs were ever rolled back under the Trump admin. Often times, these programs are little noticed by the general public and don't generate much press.

 

Of all companies to have an action like this, Wal Mart makes sense. It is such a big target and with so many stores, they don't want to be seen as the go to store for mass shootings.

 

Neither Shapiro nor the author of the article he quoted mention anything about your uncited claim about the U.S. Treasury. It's entirely irrelevant except it scratches your "both sides" itch.


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"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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Ammosexuals claim their gun profligacy deters tyranny. Instead it creates tyranny.

 

 


"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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AND

 

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"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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AND

 

Edited by KJP

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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So right-wing gun nut says his secret fantasy is to shoot liberals. 

 

And liberal nut job's not-so-secret fantasy is to give right-winger's health care, affordable college and a living wage.

 

I'll take the liberal nut job over the right-wing gun nut.

 

 


"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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Bingo

 

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"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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On 9/13/2019 at 9:58 PM, KJP said:

Bingo

 

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Was it the ACT or the SAT that had a big section of analogies, but has since removed it? I have a feeling if that section were still in the test, the author of this Tweet would have failed it miserably.

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18 hours ago, Ram23 said:

 

Was it the ACT or the SAT that had a big section of analogies, but has since removed it? I have a feeling if that section were still in the test, the author of this Tweet would have failed it miserably.

 

Only in the hearts of the soulless and in the minds of the uncreative. In other words, TrumpCultists.

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"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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GOP senator urges gun violence laws: ‘I can no longer be on the sidelines of gun safety’

By Randy Ludlow, The Columbus Dispatch

Updated: Sep 18, 2019 at 5:55 AM

 

One by one, state Sen. Peggy Lehner ticked off the names and ages of each of the dead of Dayton.  Then, the Republican from the neighboring suburb of Kettering added a few biographical details about the nine victims of the mass shooting, emphasizing they all died in but 29 seconds.  She paused when she recounted brief details of the life of 30-year-old Logan Turner.  He was a machinist at Thaler Machine Co. in Springboro.  Bill Thaler, owner of the company, is Lehner’s neighbor and one of her best friends.

 

Too many Ohioans, she said, increasingly know somebody affected by gun violence.  “When you know someone, it’s harder to turn our back. None of these people needed to die,” Lehner testified Tuesday before the Senate Government Oversight and Reform Committee.

 

“I can no longer be on the sidelines of gun safety. I’ve been there too long ... doing absolutely nothing is simply not an option,” Lehner told her fellow senators.

 

Joined by two Democrats, Lehner was the lone member of the majority Republican Senate to testify Tuesday in support of five bills designed to reduce the risk of mass shootings and other gun deaths.

 

MORE:  https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20190917/gop-senator-urges-gun-violence-laws-i-can-no-longer-be-on-sidelines-of-gun-safety

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Another good guy with a gun...leading to the wild west in Fairlawn.  

 

Concealed carry permit holder shot after drawing gun on armed robbers in Fairlawn

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-summit/concealed-carry-permit-holder-shot-after-drawing-gun-on-armed-robbers-in-fairlawn?fbclid=IwAR0gxBOSXLrRrTC7NTE9a9skKtKbyFJ8y2R2jsoM0Yxm9aw_UMXC8HduENs

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Often times, the folks most adamant about restricting Second Amendment rights know next to nothing about the guns they want to regulate. On occasion, they are woefully unaware of their own ignorance:

 

 

In reality, they weigh about 6 pounds and certainly don't shoot .50 caliber rounds (ammunition that is comically larger than what AR-15s actually shoot). This is really basic knowledge - so what we've just seen is akin to someone who wants more laws regulating driving, but isn't able to say which side of the vehicle the steering wheel is on or what brakes do.

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1 hour ago, Ram23 said:

Often times, the folks most adamant about restricting Second Amendment rights know next to nothing about the guns they want to regulate. On occasion, they are woefully unaware of their own ignorance:

 

 

In reality, they weigh about 6 pounds and certainly don't shoot .50 caliber rounds (ammunition that is comically larger than what AR-15s actually shoot). This is really basic knowledge - so what we've just seen is akin to someone who wants more laws regulating driving, but isn't able to say which side of the vehicle the steering wheel is on or what brakes do.

 

It's also supporters of the 2nd Amendment who are clueless.   

 

Have you ever heard Trump talk about cars?   I can only imagine the kind of nonsense he would spew trying to have any kind of detailed conversation about guns....🤣🤣🤣🤣

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When people are dying too much, getting hung up on others not knowing technical details about guns is like being that guy at the movies who yells out "But that gun only holds 15 rounds!" during a shootout -- except a thousand times worse.

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The perfect gift for the toxic male in your family! From the Truth-In-Advertising department....

 

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"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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I find it somewhat ironic that part of the Republican (DeWine) approach to tightening gun laws aids the plaintiffs' lobby.  Under DeWine's proposal, if you sell a gun to someone in a private sale and you did not take advantage of the "voluntary" background check, and the gun is used in a crime, you can expect to hear from plaintiff's lawyers (ambulance chasers, now gun-victim chasers).

 

Yeah, that's so much better than universal background checks for all gun sales.  Simpler, less complicated, more effective -- we should expect to see two thumbs up from the legislature, right?  (Ha!  DeWine can't sell this, but he'll say he tried.  I'm putting my money on the do-nothing option.)

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15 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

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I don't...I don't think 2nd Amendment advocates understand socialism.

 

Those aren't incompatable points.   An attempt to impose or maiintain a government vigorously opposed by a significant part of the population is much tougher if they are armed.

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I ordered plans to build my own hydrogen bomb from the backpages of Popular Science (or was it Mad Magazine).  Whatever, I'm going to get right on it as soon as they arrive.

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7 minutes ago, X said:

I ordered plans to build my own hydrogen bomb from the backpages of Popular Science (or was it Mad Magazine).  Whatever, I'm going to get right on it as soon as they arrive.

 

Via the Patriot Act, I bet you've been placed on the "no fly list" lol.


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So what weapons should I be amassing to fight the NRA, Trump, GOPers, etc?

 

Books? Worldwide travel experiences? Meeting with people over coffee rather than at shooting ranges or Trump rallies? Looking for ideas....

 

And

 

Edited by KJP

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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