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Dragging politics into the development threads is a real quick way to get them locked.  Also a real quick way to get time off.

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Cross-posted in the Cleveland hotels & tourism thread....

 

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THURSDAY, DECEMBER 12, 2019

Downtown Cleveland hotel sells to NY-based REIT

 

Downtown Cleveland's Hilton Garden Inn, 1100 Carnegie Ave., sold on Dec. 9 to a New York City-based real estate investment trust that specializes in owning Marriott- and Hilton-branded hotels.

The 11-story, 240-room hotel, its adjoining Gateway Conference Center and the 2.85 acres on which the complex sets was sold for $28.16 million to MCR Cleveland LLC, according to Cuyahoga County records.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/12/downtown-cleveland-hotel-sells-to-ny.html

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6 hours ago, mrclifton88 said:

@KJP do you know what happened to the sale of the Ohio Bell Building ? 

 

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Some Cleveland aspirational plans I’ve never seen before focusing on a once-planned, domed Indians stadium. These are from the book Gateway: Blueprint of the Future. 
 

This was published by Gateway Press in 1994. 

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I found that book at Half Priced Books in Mayfield Hts a few years ago for like $2.00. It had a lot of cool pics I had never seen before.

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On 12/13/2019 at 12:22 AM, KJP said:

Cross-posted in the Cleveland hotels & tourism thread....

 

Hilton+Garden+Inn-ProgField_2019.jpg

 

THURSDAY, DECEMBER 12, 2019

Downtown Cleveland hotel sells to NY-based REIT

 

Downtown Cleveland's Hilton Garden Inn, 1100 Carnegie Ave., sold on Dec. 9 to a New York City-based real estate investment trust that specializes in owning Marriott- and Hilton-branded hotels.

The 11-story, 240-room hotel, its adjoining Gateway Conference Center and the 2.85 acres on which the complex sets was sold for $28.16 million to MCR Cleveland LLC, according to Cuyahoga County records.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/12/downtown-cleveland-hotel-sells-to-ny.html

 

 

Crain's caught up to the story this week, apparently only after a press release was issued.....

 

Downtown hotel sells for $28.2 million

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/downtown-hotel-sells-282-million

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First shoe drops in Gateway district. An apartment building on Sumner.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3396&CASE=DF 2020-001

 

Downtown/Flats Case #  DF 2020-001
Address:    1260 Sumner Ave.
Company:    LDA Architects
Architect:    LDA | NA
Description:    The propsoed new construction of a mixed use building on an existing unbuilt lot.

 

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13 minutes ago, w28th said:

Hopefully the results are better than LDA's typical output.

Their Church + State buildings are some of (in my opinion) the area's coolest and freshest looking developments right now. I'd have high hopes that something in this downtown spot could also show off some unique architecture.

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This area could potentially be a baby-central park type section of the city in the future

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9 minutes ago, musky said:

"baby-central park type" 🙂

 

There's probably plenty of bodies in Central Park.   We just haven't found them. 

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Back in my young goth-punk rock days in the early 90s, I used to spend many hours hangin out in the park-like setting of Brookmere Cemetery at the end of Broadview Road in Old Brooklyn. I would read and listen to the animals calling from the zoo.

 

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

 

There's probably plenty of bodies in Central Park.   We just haven't found them. 

 

There's also hundreds of people buried under Boston Common.

 

Frangos Group owns 1260 Sumner. I find it hard to believe that Frangos is developing anything. They don't have the experience. But they may be partnering with another developer to build on their land.

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32 minutes ago, musky said:

This area could potentially be a baby-central park type section of the city in the future

I don't think Erie Cemetary, which has been there forever, is going anywhere....

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1 hour ago, urbanetics_ said:

Their Church + State buildings are some of (in my opinion) the area's coolest and freshest looking developments right now. I'd have high hopes that something in this downtown spot could also show off some unique architecture.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mendo said:

First shoe drops in Gateway district. An apartment building on Sumner.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3396&CASE=DF 2020-001

 

Downtown/Flats Case #  DF 2020-001
Address:    1260 Sumner Ave.
Company:    LDA Architects
Architect:    LDA | NA
Description:    The propsoed new construction of a mixed use building on an existing unbuilt lot.

 

Anyone have any idea what this will be?

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20 minutes ago, sky said:

This area has tons of potential!

Agree. Fingers crossed for the best, those lousy surface lots have got to go. 

 

p.s. I've always loved that brick street

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22 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Anyone have any idea what this will be?

If Frangos is involved as suggested by @KJP don't get too excited. 

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What's strange is that this parcel is in the middle of the block. And it says mixed use. So presumably there would be a retail/restaurant use on the ground floor of this apartment building. How successful could a retail use on a mid-block building on a traffic-less street be? Now, if the parking lots to the west were developed, then maybe something mid-block might may sense.

 

Something tells me this is a play to beef up the sale price of this property, unless Frangos is partnering with a legit developer.

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2 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said:

I don't think Erie Cemetary, which has been there forever, is going anywhere....

 

 

I wasn't talking about moving the cemetery at all. Just thinking about how development surrounding the cemetery would create a mini-central park appearance. 

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The cemetery is walled off, though.  It will look like Central Park from the air, but from the ground it's going to look more like when a fragment of medieval wall is still standing in a European city, in the middle of modern development.

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24 minutes ago, X said:

The cemetery is walled off, though.  It will look like Central Park from the air, but from the ground it's going to look more like when a fragment of medieval wall is still standing in a European city, in the middle of modern development.

But does the cemetery need the wall? In Boston, the Granary Burying Ground is a well landscaped historic cemetery in the middle of the city. Like Erie Street, Several historically significant Boston residents are interred here (like John Hancock, Samuel Adams, and Paul Revere). And it is open to the street.

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26 minutes ago, Growth Mindset said:

But does the cemetery need the wall? In Boston, the Granary Burying Ground is a well landscaped historic cemetery in the middle of the city. Like Erie Street, Several historically significant Boston residents are interred here (like John Hancock, Samuel Adams, and Paul Revere). And it is open to the street.

 

It does, because everyone is dying to get in!

 

I'm here all night, with the oldest dad jokes on the planet!  😉😜

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4 hours ago, Mendo said:

First shoe drops in Gateway district. An apartment building on Sumner.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3396&CASE=DF 2020-001

 

Downtown/Flats Case #  DF 2020-001
Address:    1260 Sumner Ave.
Company:    LDA Architects
Architect:    LDA | NA
Description:    The propsoed new construction of a mixed use building on an existing unbuilt lot.

 

 

Is this where the old Empire concert club used to be?  I saw so many bands there in the early 90's:  My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult, Pigface, KMFDM, Ride, My Bloody Valentine, Blur, Meat Beat Manifesto, the list goes on. 

 

Glad to see the lot being redeveloped.

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I think this is good to see.  This area could be a great link between Playhouse Square and Gateway if development in PHS ever goes south.  It could help Carnegie as well.  Lots of potential.

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1 hour ago, Growth Mindset said:

But does the cemetery need the wall? In Boston, the Granary Burying Ground is a well landscaped historic cemetery in the middle of the city. Like Erie Street, Several historically significant Boston residents are interred here (like John Hancock, Samuel Adams, and Paul Revere). And it is open to the street.

 

It probably doesn't need it.  But it may be listed as a historic structure, so demolition could be complex.  And why would the cemetery go to that expense and trouble just so the swank new apartments across the street can have easier access to tromp all over their graves?

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From what I understand the cemetery has been a target for vandals. Maybe it benefits from more stakeholders & eyes on the street? 

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5 minutes ago, X said:

 

It probably doesn't need it.  But it may be listed as a historic structure, so demolition could be complex.  And why would the cemetery go to that expense and trouble just so the swank new apartments across the street can have easier access to tromp all over their graves?

Good point.  

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Interesting to see this. There's several mid-rises planned around the perimeter of downtown, with another already underway (Geis' The Avenue condos). Even if this Sumner Court project doesn't happen, there's others that probably will.

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Quick google and found articles on 1260 Sumner Ave and Frangos...

 

Cleveland parking company operating illegal lot downtown: A Carl Monday investigation

 

https://www.cleveland19.com/story/36563924/cleveland-parking-company-operating-illegal-lot-downtown-a-carl-monday-investigation/

 

USA Parking VP found guilty in illegal parking lot operation: A Carl Monday investigation

 

https://www.cleveland19.com/story/36956328/usa-parking-vp-found-guilty-in-illegal-parking-lot-operation-a-carl-monday-investigation/

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6 hours ago, viscomi said:

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/01/20/end-of-the-line-for-petersons-nuts-on-carnegie

 

No more Petersons 😞 I haven't been there in years. I'm sure they would have done much better business if they were in a more central downtown location. 

 

I have to wonder if this and other nearby properties are all going to be developed. I hear rumors of a "baseball town"-type development like in St. Louis or San Diego and that MLB is trying to encourage similar ballpark-supportive development in all MLB cities. This would make sense of the otherwise curious mid-block development on Sumner court.

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For something like gateway, it's dissappointing there are not little "sports villages" in the immediate surrounding areas like mentioned in St. Louis. Even down by Browns stadium. How has no one realized the potential of developing a "football village" or whatever right outside the stadium. Pittsburgh has it. 

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8 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

For something like gateway, it's dissappointing there are not little "sports villages" in the immediate surrounding areas like mentioned in St. Louis. Even down by Browns stadium. How has no one realized the potential of developing a "football village" or whatever right outside the stadium. Pittsburgh has it. 


East 4th and surrounding activity is somewhat a product of gateway. Downtown could probably not support both what we currently have AND a gateway sports village. 
 

The Browns stadium is used way too little to ever support surrounding development. 

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49 minutes ago, JSC216 said:


East 4th and surrounding activity is somewhat a product of gateway. Downtown could probably not support both what we currently have AND a gateway sports village. 
 

The Browns stadium is used way too little to ever support surrounding development. 

Agreed. 10 game days a year, plus one or two concerts couldn’t sustain much by itself. Especially while still be largely cut off from the CBD and no residential anywhere near. East 4th definitely feeds and thrives off of gateway. It’s where I always hang before a Tribe game. 

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23 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Agreed. 10 game days a year, plus one or two concerts couldn’t sustain much by itself. Especially while still be largely cut off from the CBD and no residential anywhere near. East 4th definitely feeds and thrives off of gateway. It’s where I always hang before a Tribe game. 

 

The plans for NuCLEus included a Cleveland Live!, which is owned and operated by the same people that own the experience in St. Louis you're referring to. 

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1 hour ago, JSC216 said:


East 4th and surrounding activity is somewhat a product of gateway. Downtown could probably not support both what we currently have AND a gateway sports village. 
 

The Browns stadium is used way too little to ever support surrounding development. 

 

To underscore this, when Gateway first opened 26 years ago, there was all kinds of optimism about what it would do for lower Prospect, the arcades, Huron Ave, etc.  A bunch of restaurants extended their hours and here was a boom in sports bars.  A lot of it ended up being unsustainable.  

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58 minutes ago, StapHanger said:

 

To underscore this, when Gateway first opened 26 years ago, there was all kinds of optimism about what it would do for lower Prospect, the arcades, Huron Ave, etc.  A bunch of restaurants extended their hours and here was a boom in sports bars.  A lot of it ended up being unsustainable.  

I would argue that the 5th Street arcades are as lively and vibrant now as they’ve ever been since the 90’s. There was also the Indians teams of the 90’s that sold out every game and propped up a lot of those places for a good while. There really aren’t that many vacancies in the Prospect/Gateway neighborhood. There’s been some turnover and adjustment, but you’re gonna have that in the wake of such a transformational project.

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^For sure. I'm not arguing doom and gloom here.  The growing residential population and more creative marketing has done good things for this neighborhood.  I'm just agreeing that the capacity of the sports visitors to support business is finite, so we shouldn't be so eager to cannibalize the existing successes. 

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I've been told that the Utica Block building which currently houses Brickstone and Stella Music Club on the ground floor with offices above, will be changing hands - and a new concept yet again going in on the ground floor.  It will qualify for historic tax credits.  A local developer along with Bobby George will be involved.  

 

 

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^ Good to hear, although I personally make it a point to avoid giving BG a single red cent where I can avoid it. 

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Additionally I’d add the stadium and arena have both added additional in house options that we may have not yet seen the full impact of. 

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Gateway is literally a quarter mile (if that) from E4, City Tap, BWW, Winking Lizard, Panini's, The Clevelander, etc. to say more stuff needs to be built on the site/acting like it's a deadzone is kind of bizarro. I wouldn't be opposed to building on the parking lot off of E9/Eagle, but there's a lot of bigger fish to fry. First Energy on the other hand could be quite the model area (thinking North Shore area around Heinz Field in PGH), but again, bigger fish to fry.

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