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http://communitypress.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/C2/20120503/NEWS/305030035/

Oakley apartment complex proposed

10:53 AM, May. 3, 2012

Forrest Sellers

 

OAKLEY — A new apartment complex has been proposed for Oakley.

 

Developers presented a plan for Oakley Lofts, which will consist of 60 one- and two-bedroom apartments at Madison Road and Appleton Street, during the May Oakley Community Council meeting.

 

The five-story building will have a commercial component on the first floor. The upper floors will be residential.

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If I'm reading this correctly, they're planning this for the corner where Hotheads Burritos and Loesch Hardware currently sit.  Both of those are thriving businesses that are not, to my knowledge, for sale.  Loesch has been there for decades.  I guess I'm not surprised this is coming from the architecture firm just across the street.

 

I bet they can get the Courtesy lot easily enough - Courtesy has at least four properties on that intersection, most of which are underutilized.

 

That's not to say an apartment complex there would be a bad fit.  I think it would work.  The stretch from Baba India almost to Brazee street seems sort of lower-end, including Courtesy's lots.  This would help bridge the gap between Oakley Square and Oakley Station.  Plus it would help anchor the newer stretch of storefronts from Brazee eastward, whose tenants seem to be tenuous.

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Your guess on the site looks about right. But how would you know that the businesses wanted to sell or not?

 

This would be a great anchor building on that corner. And of course the apartments will sell out in 8 seconds like everything else being built in walkable neighborhoods these days.

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Your guess on the site looks about right. But how would you know that the businesses wanted to sell or not?

 

I guess I don't know for sure, of course.  But as I said, Loesch has been there for ages and seems to do fine.  Hotheads has only been there a year or two and has built up a nice business.  Everyone's got a price, obviously, but since I don't see for sale signs on the buildings my hypothesis is that they're happy with their current locations.

 

It just seems strange for these plans to be unveiled when I see no street-level evidence that these thriving businesses want to sell.

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Looking at the auditor's site and based on the owner name mentioned in the Biz Courier article, the land is the three parcels that make up the auto lot mentioned above, plus the two adjacent lots further up Appleton (i.e. the NE corner of Madison and Appleton).

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It would be nice to get some more residences at that corner, especially to get rid of the parking lot.  Ultimately the burrito place needs to go, or at least be replaced with a better urban building.  To me it looks like a gas/service station that got re-purposed (note that also happened with Courtesy's building at the south corner, you can see what's left of a tiny gas station poking up out of the roof). 

 

Anyway, that's a very interesting little block of businesses, with Voltage and the Appliance Loft along with some of the other funky furniture and antique stores, the tea shop, etc.  There's a great mix of commercial and pseudo-industrial buildings, like the aforementioned Appliance Loft and Stewart and Jervis' office on Brazee Street.  It actually has the feel of a Chicago street in that area more than Cincinnati, but it can definitely use some more people. 

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It would be nice to get some more residences at that corner, especially to get rid of the parking lot.  Ultimately the burrito place needs to go, or at least be replaced with a better urban building.  To me it looks like a gas/service station that got re-purposed (note that also happened with Courtesy's building at the south corner, you can see what's left of a tiny gas station poking up out of the roof). 

 

Anyway, that's a very interesting little block of businesses, with Voltage and the Appliance Loft along with some of the other funky furniture and antique stores, the tea shop, etc.  There's a great mix of commercial and pseudo-industrial buildings, like the aforementioned Appliance Loft and Stewart and Jervis' office on Brazee Street.  It actually has the feel of a Chicago street in that area more than Cincinnati, but it can definitely use some more people.

 

From the auditor's website, it appears the building the burrito place is in has been a restaurant since 1972.  It was called The Chili Company up until about five years ago, then the ill-fated Fatburger.  The Loesch family owns the property.

 

I get what you're saying, though - it's auto-centric in a community that's gravitating towards walkability.  But one could argue that a place that's been a series of restaurants for forty years shows there's demand for that at present.  And it's not as though it's got acres of parking like a Red Robin or something - it still fits the fabric of the neighborhood pretty well (better than partly-empty used car lots, at least).  Heck, even in the older Chicago suburbs like you mention there are IHOPs and McDonald's.

 

Interestingly, the Heflin name also owns the empty lot just west of Loesch Hardware, which is also an old under-utilized Courtesy lot.  I'd like to see that get redeveloped.  It's 65x235, which could easily contain a narrow deep apartment building.  At two or three stories it would fit in with other buildings on that stretch.

 

I like this development.  Now if someone would just buy out that eyesore of Baba India.  It does a great business but they do not plow much back into maintenance or landscaping.  The Hardees that preceded it probably looked nicer.

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Preliminary info was presented to the Oakley Community Council at their most recent meeting about a new development across from Robertson on the former Kenner Toys manufacturing site. ( https://goo.gl/maps/mCQ64hBcpax ). Details included were that the project includes mixed use with a focus on medical office and traditional office users, residential, and little or no retail. It sounds as if connecting Edwards road to Robertson would be needed for access.

 

I believe the property is owned through an affiliate of the Cincinnati based Ackerman Group.

 

More people may know additional information, as I saw info posted about the development on Nextdoor. I cannot find the minutes to the Oakley Community Council meeting posted online yet.

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Why do I have a feeling this is going to be another prime urban location squandered on big suburban office buildings surrounded by a sea of parking?

 

Because that is what happened at Oakley Station, Rookwood Commons, Rookwood Pavilion, Center of Cincinnati, etc...

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Your forgot the original!

 

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Just zone it single-family residential and build houses.  That's what should have happened with all of these.  The big shopping centers pull commercial activity away from the traditional business districts.  Oakley Square would be jamming if not for all this nonsense. 

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That would be a great plan. Unfortunately with Rookwood we did literally the opposite and demolished a few dozen of single family homes for more of this crap.

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Yeah I agree with you guys on the single family homes or at least single it out and put it in line by extending the streets to extend the neighborhood, or mix in some apartment buildings with single family. 

 

At the very least Rookwood is going a bit vertical.  If this goes vertical (rather be 8-12 stories), I would be OK with it, but hard to see that type of demand, but who knows.

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Just zone it single-family residential and build houses.  That's what should have happened with all of these.  The big shopping centers pull commercial activity away from the traditional business districts.  Oakley Square would be jamming if not for all this nonsense.

 

I'm not so sure. It's hard to get people to buy "normal" stuff in those types of spaces.

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I found this brief PDF of the proposal for the Kenner site:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fzkqoh6fb1qe6wd/OakleyYard_-_Robertson_Development_-_Purpose_%26_Intent_2016-08-02.pdf?dl=0

 

There was also mention of the proposed "Edwards Connector"... which is the first I've heard of this idea, but apparently dates back to at least 2003 when part of The Easter Corridor project, they proposed extending Edwards along I-75 to connect to Robertson and Disney.

 

Here's a PDF that includes that proposal:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fjdz8s2fm826bex/EasternCorridor_Sub-Area_Scoping_Study.pdf?dl=0

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I don't see this Edwards connector thing happening due to the right-of-way constraints, impact to existing buildings, and proximity to I-71.  They say as much in the proposal document. 

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Mixed-use building coming to Oakley business district

 

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A new mixed-use building is coming to the heart of the Oakley business district.

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/09/21/exclusive-mixed-use-building-coming-to-oakley.html


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It would be okay without the random square windows strewn about the left upper level. The proportions bother me a bit but that might be a site constraint.

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^ The same group (something called BAM Realty) owns the Fresh Market site, the Sleepy Bee building, and everything in between, plus two single-family homes around the corner on Brownway.  I suspect they have bigger plans.

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If you build over 5 stories in Oakley, the NIMBY's come out. If you build an Applebee's, they applaud!


“All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.”
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If you build over 5 stories in Oakley, the NIMBY's come out. If you build an Applebee's, they applaud!

 

Someone needs to propose a 5-story Applebee's then we can watch the chaos it starts.

 

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Luxury townhomes coming to Oakley square

 

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A development that’s expected to be the only one of its kind in Oakley’s center is breaking ground this week.

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/09/27/exclusive-luxury-townhomes-coming-to-oakley-square.html


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If you build over 5 stories in Oakley, the NIMBY's come out. If you build an Applebee's, they applaud!

 

That's not entirely fair.  If I recall, there was quite a backlash when Olive Garden wanted to open in front of the new Kroger.

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This is a good infill project which should fill in one of the only gaps on Markbreit right around the square.  Not a very sizable residential impact on Oakley, but the visual impact should be fairly significant, especially in terms of building up around the square and making that immediate area feel more complete.

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If you build over 5 stories in Oakley, the NIMBY's come out. If you build an Applebee's, they applaud!

 

That's not entirely fair.  If I recall, there was quite a backlash when Olive Garden wanted to open in front of the new Kroger.

 

It wasn't Olive Garden... it was Tilted Kilt. And there was no such backlash when a Chick-Fil-A was announced.

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^ Actually there was an Olive Garden proposed for Oakley Station, too. I distinctly remember reading about it in one of the city planning packets a few months back. I also seem to recall that there was backlash about Chick-fil-A having a double drive thru, which is comical given how suburban the whole development is laid out.

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^ Actually there was an Olive Garden proposed for Oakley Station, too. I distinctly remember reading about it in one of the city planning packets a few months back. I also seem to recall that there was backlash about Chick-fil-A having a double drive thru, which is comical given how suburban the whole development is laid out.

 

Unfortunately, the Olive Garden is at least 50% built at this point. The Chick Fila drive thru is moving ahead last i heard. All of this is moving a head while there is outrage over the proposed building at the 5/3 branch in Oakley square...which would actually benefit the local establishments in the square with new residents and off-street parking.

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