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That is 'the line' at the moment that I keep seeing coming from Joe Public..... "cut Congress' pay and benefits"..... "freeze congress' salary"...... "pay congress minimum wage"

 

First, I don't think that any of those measures would make a ding, let alone a dent, in any financial or employment issues we as a nation are facing.  Second, anyone who thinks that most members congressmen really give a da#n about their 'official' salary is kidding themselves  Third, this is just another attempt by the Right to protect its coffers and try to re-direct all attention and antagonism towards D.C.  Fourth, you don't really think that piece is "by Sarah Palin", do you?  I will give the piece credit for pointing out some obvious flaws in the political process which need to be addressed (although I'm not sure how you do that now that McCain-Feingold was thrown out).

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^^^ I think that has been brought up several times before. Both groups are looking around saying,"What happened to the middle class in the USA?" The older group, the Tea Party, feels like they are losing or have lost the middle class security they once had, and the younger  OWS'ers are looking around and are pissed because they see very little opportunity to achieve the stable middle class existence that was once obtainable. They are both pissed off about basically the same thing and are pointing fingers in the opposite directions.

 

BTW: I didn't read the article, I am speaking in general terms.

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Getting pumped for my visit to the garden spot of the earth:

 

From LEO (Louisville Eccentric Observer):

 

Optimistic on 'Occupy'

 

This thing has got more heart and energy than anything I’ve witnessed in my life,” said Stephen Shepard, the Occupy Lexington spitfire who accompanied me to its Louisville counterpart on two sunny, breezy afternoons last weekend....

 

 

....After a month downtown, Occupy Louisville, the local collective of an unprecedented global, grassroots, nonviolent revolution, is thriving. Despite a recent cold snap, the close-knit group of citizens remains committed to its around-the-clock vigil in Jefferson Square Park, a small venue at Sixth and Jefferson between the PNC Bank skyscraper and the Hall of Justice.

 

The serenity belies a mighty sense of excitement among folks from all walks of life — college students, single mothers, middle-aged men — mostly unemployed or underemployed — struggling and raging against the machine of corporate greed that has dismantled the American Dream...

 

...damn, I love Louisville.  Looking forward to getting back.

 

In fact, next year, I might relocate back permanently.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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^ Nice to hear.

 

Let's face it the Middle Class boom of the 50's and 60's were really an abnormality caused by two main factors, 1: Most of the developed world had been destroyed by WWII and 2: The post WWII babyboom. Both, in the terms of a simple Econ 101 Supply/Demand curve lifted the value of the average US worker higher than it had been in any other time in history. The destruction both increased demand and lowered competing supply. The babyboom  skyrocketed demand, which in turn skyrocketed demand for workers.

 

I am not sure that we can every get back to that or something even close.

 

I am getting off topic.

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Heres an interesting article with cool graphic from Bloomberg Buisness Week

 

The Unlikely Outposts of Occupy Wall Street

 

"....banned from Zucotti Park but coming to a resort town near your."

 

"After police in New York, Oakland, and Portland shut down the tent cities that have defined Occupy Wall Street, protesters vowed to keep the two-month-old global rally going. Across the U.S., OWS activists in upscale areas have gone hyper-local, adding community issues to the larger movement’s anti-corporate message. Many are also ditching the tarps and tents that have provoked mayors and police chiefs, preferring to occupy their own beds"

 

I still think the funniest (probably just one guy and a facebook page) was Occupy Eaton (in rural Preble County OH).

 

 

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Let's face it the Middle Class boom of the 50's and 60's were really an abnormality

 

....except that, before the 1950s & 60s,  factory & service workers, in the Midwest at least, were able to afford their own homes on one or two salarys.  That would be the case or you wouldnt have the mile upon square mile of single family or duplex housing you see througout urban Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, etc....

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Let's face it the Middle Class boom of the 50's and 60's were really an abnormality

 

....except that, before the 1950s & 60s,  factory & service workers, in the Midwest at least, were able to afford their own homes on one or two salarys.  That would be the case or you wouldnt have the mile upon square mile of single family or duplex housing you see througout urban Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, etc....

Because families of that time, lived within their means and credit was rarely used in the manner in which it is used today so a home could still be managed on one salary.

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....exactley.  A home cant be managed on one salary today becuase work doesnt pay enough.  Even back in the robber baron days work payed enough to build cities of houses, not shantytowns.

 

 

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....exactley.  A home cant be managed on one salary today becuase work doesnt pay enough.  Even back in the robber baron days work payed enough to build cities of houses, not shantytowns.

 

 

 

Depends on what type of home you're buying.  Are you trying to live within your means or ball and be house poor.  So many people do not know or forget that there is more to home ownership than just signing the mortgage and moving in.

 

I'm sickened - and I'm a hypocrite - when today I see people who want 3 or 4 bedroom homes with a lot of space, yet they have no children, no furniture, will continue to live a lifestyle that doesn't fit with home ownership.  Then on top of that they do no routine maintenance on the home and wonder why it depreciates.

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First Occupy protesters in court have charges dropped

 

City prosecutors dismissed charges Friday against eight Occupy Cincinnati protesters who were ticketed for camping in a Downtown park.

 

The cases were the first scheduled for hearings in Hamilton County Municipal Court, where the protesters had planned to argue that police did not have the authority to charge them with violating park board rules.

 

City Solicitor John Curp said he decided to drop the charges because prosecutors were unable to get all of the city officials and business owners needed for the hearing to court on Friday. He said he expects everyone to be available for another hearing early next month during which the city will argue its case.

 

Cont

 

 


"It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton

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I havnt said too much about Cincinnati during all this, even though I went to their kick-off ralley in Lytle Park.

 

Seems like Cincy officials acted early-on to stop camping.  Is Occupy Cincinnati still functioning in any organizational sense, or is just people gathering and getting arrested?

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^it makes me wonder about the kind of people who read those type of forums :wink:

 

The same kind that slow down for a really bad car accident, I suppose.  And judging from what I just read (before it was closed), the posters include a lot of people who are upset with the (lack of) aim and timing by a certain nutjob out of Idaho.

 

I guess you mean this nutjob, right??

 

'Occupy' Protestors Honor White House Shooter with Moment of Silence

 

http://nation.foxnews.com/occupy-wall-street/2011/11/17/occupy-protestors-honor-white-house-shooter-moment-silence

 

By Ken Shepherd, Newsbusters.org | November 17, 2011 | 11:48

 

During the height of the Tea Party protests, the liberal media sought to hype any hint that the movement may turn violent against Democrats in general and President Obama in particular.

 

For example, Hardball's Chris Matthews famously blew up in August 2009 at a libertarian protester who legally carried a gun to a presidential townhall meeting in New Hampshire, suggesting it was wildly inappropriate "given the violent history of this country with regard to presidents and assassinations."

 

So it should be interesting to see what attention, if any, the mainstream media pays to Occupy San Diego honoring suspected White House shooter and likely Occupy DC participant Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez

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I believe the descriptors I used on the previous page were "idiots" and "whackos".  I hope your right that it was just one isolated nutjob.

 

Did these idiots in San Diego really hold a moment of silence for the schizo who shot at the White House?  If true and even if isolated to one or two brain dead whackos, it seems like Fox/Rush/Beck/etc. have found their new flag-bearer for the OWS movement.

 

The type of article you posted always humors me.  It's always funny watching partisan media outlets throw stones in their glass houses.

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I believe the descriptors I used on the previous page were "idiots" and "whackos".  I hope your right that it was just one isolated nutjob.

 

Did these idiots in San Diego really hold a moment of silence for the schizo who shot at the White House?  If true and even if isolated to one or two brain dead whackos, it seems like Fox/Rush/Beck/etc. have found their new flag-bearer for the OWS movement.

 

The type of article you posted always humors me.  It's always funny watching partisan media outlets throw stones in their glass houses.

:laugh: ha ha, I know, maybe MSNBC should use less glass!

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MSNBC and Fox don't have any glass left.  But feel free to keep getting YOUR news from the latter.

 

Of course, boneheads say dumb things that often need clarification (which you won't read on Fox)....

 

"Whoever shot at the White House is basically a terrorist," LoRusso tells CityBeat, "and I was holding a moment of silence for the White House and President Obama and everyone in the White House. I wasn't holding a moment of silence for the terrorist in any way. We're a peaceful movement, and we don't support people shooting at the White House."

 

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"I was just thinking how terrible it is that our nation has someone who tried to shoot at our White House, our country’s main deal, and that’s what makes our country beautiful is that we have a White House that carries all the establishment that makes our country awesome."

 

http://www.sdcitybeat.com/sandiego/blog-608-occupy-san-diego-protester-says-his-moment-of-solidarity-was-misunderstood.html

 

As is clear in his response to the conservative pundits wet-dream, he is not the most articulate fellow.

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....exactley.  A home cant be managed on one salary today becuase work doesnt pay enough.  Even back in the robber baron days work payed enough to build cities of houses, not shantytowns.

 

 

 

If people lived today as they lived in the "old" days, one income would be more than enough to manage a home in a city of houses.

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I havnt said too much about Cincinnati during all this, even though I went to their kick-off ralley in Lytle Park.

 

Seems like Cincy officials acted early-on to stop camping.  Is Occupy Cincinnati still functioning in any organizational sense, or is just people gathering and getting arrested?

 

They are still a bit active here in Cincy.  Jesse Jackson stopped by recently and a dozen or so people got arrested again for staying in the park after hours.  Honestly, they have become a group that is focusing mostly on the bottom 1% (headed by a full-time homeless "advocate" that lives in Indian Hill and a former boy band member) as well as their rights to stay in a neighborhood park after hours (to the detriment of the rights of those who live in the area).


"Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago." - Warren Buffett 

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....exactley.  A home cant be managed on one salary today becuase work doesnt pay enough.  Even back in the robber baron days work payed enough to build cities of houses, not shantytowns.

 

 

 

If people lived today as they lived in the "old" days, one income would be more than enough to manage a home in a city of houses.

 

AMEN!  If this new generation gave up on "keeping up with the Jones'" relying on credit and having to have the "next biggest thing" then maybe they wouldn't be in the financial situation they are in good.

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^

thx

 

Anyone up on what is happening in Columbus and Toledo?

 

As for Occupy Cincinnati, interesting to hear.  I was at their kickoff and was impressed that they got a good turnout and seemed somewhat organized, too, to the point of having sort of marshalls or guides helping lead things.  Not sure what happened.  Maybe the original leadership was all busted during the early arrests.

 

I surfed into the Louisville site and...on line at least...they seemed to use their breathing space (they have an extended permit to use space downtown)  to get organized and plan events and things.  Looks good. 

 

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The situation in Dayton is iffy.  Im actually on the fringes of this scene now, but I think they are trying to keep their camp going, but are in a very ambiguous position.  And, these are just kids out there camping now.  Or they seem like kids to me. 

 

I'm wondering if the police can just act unilaterally...say the police chief, county sheriff,  or lower level officer can give the order to disperse and then intiate arrests, without any requests by local officials.  They are occupying without a permit, and one can assume the police are documenting violations.

 

Since the police havn't acted yet, I think there is going to be a decision point somewhere.  Maybe they are awaiting till after Saturday, which is when the response is expected to the request to reduce footprint.

 

 

 

 

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From Louisville...

 

Occupy Louisville: For varied reasons, people continue to be drawn to protest downtown

 

 

Louisville’s Occupy protest, which began Oct. 4, is one of dozens of similar encampments across the country that have sprung up since demonstrations began near Wall Street in New York on Sept. 17. But even as a wave of police actions this week cleared protest sites in such cities as Oakland, Calif., and New York, Occupy Louisville remains undisturbed.

 

Although the protesters have had to move several times, they now have a permit to camp out in Founders Square until the end of the year. And the protest has grown — since the move to Founders Square from Liberty Park last Thursday, the overnight population has roughly doubled, to about 20, depending on the night, according to participants.

 

...thus begins a five page Courier-Journal article on Occupy Louisville.

 

 

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MSNBC and Fox don't have any glass left.  But feel free to keep getting YOUR news from the latter.

 

Of course, boneheads say dumb things that often need clarification (which you won't read on Fox)....

 

"Whoever shot at the White House is basically a terrorist," LoRusso tells CityBeat, "and I was holding a moment of silence for the White House and President Obama and everyone in the White House. I wasn't holding a moment of silence for the terrorist in any way. We're a peaceful movement, and we don't support people shooting at the White House."

 

*  *  *  *  *

 

"I was just thinking how terrible it is that our nation has someone who tried to shoot at our White House, our countrys main deal, and thats what makes our country beautiful is that we have a White House that carries all the establishment that makes our country awesome."

 

http://www.sdcitybeat.com/sandiego/blog-608-occupy-san-diego-protester-says-his-moment-of-solidarity-was-misunderstood.html

 

As is clear in his response to the conservative pundits wet-dream, he is not the most articulate fellow.

 

Okay, so he's going to blame America for the fact that we have crazy people.  What does he suggest we do with them?

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Greetings from Louisville.

 

A lot happening today...but not all Occupy.  One of my favorite neighborhoods, Portland, is celeberating its 200th annivesary, so I plan on going to that celebration.  More on Portland can be found here  (more for urbanists, not for politix geeks).

 

The situation at Occupy Louisville is that they relocated to Founders Square park from the park in front of the County Courthouse, to make way for the "Light up Louisville" community Xmas Tree and tree lighting (similar to what Dayton does, I guess).    They also have a permit, the support of the mayor....

 

....and the police chief gave them his cell phone number for them to call in case they have problems.  Which is a far cry from the situation in Ohio. 

 

I shared some of my pix from the other occupations Ive been to, giving them ideas and such. 

 

Also, it seems their camp is growing, but its due to homeless people coming in.  What they are now doing is educating these new campers and trying to bring them into what the Occupation is all about.  I think this homeless thing has been happening in other Occuptions and has been reported on in the media, too.

 

So in a way the Occupations are becoming a collection of Hoovervilles...I guess we could call them Obamavilles, since Obama is president?

 

I wonder if this opens up the possiblity of the politicization of the homeless?

 

 

 

 

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Interesting to seeing the homeless reappear. 

 

I mentioned near the outset of this threat that this book, Someplace Like America sort of inspired my interest in the Occupy movement.  The book uses homelessness and the authors' investigative journalism into the hobo/traveler aspect of this as an armature to construct a history of the recent past, a history of economic and social collapse for a lot of people.

 

A history I was part of at one time and will return to in the near future.

 

So interesting to see the homeless (possibly) return to the political disucssion via the Occupy movement, shortly after this book was published.

 

 

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I think this will be "it" for me for all this.  My car is breaking down and I can't afford to rent one (let alone buy one), so if I want to go out of town to travel it would have to be via Greyhound (I will be riding the dog to Louisville for Thanksgiving, which reminds me I need to get a TARC schedule to Valley Station from downtown today).

 

I was hoping to visit Occupy Lexington, but I guess this will have to be enough.

 

In closing this thread has been revealing.  Revealing in an unintentional way about some of my fellow posters at Urban Ohio (probably goes both ways),  but also revealing in how the media reports and how one can pick up info from google and online sources, tracking the story and the spin around the story. 

 

I think we can say that this movement is pretty much over, fading away and degenerating into that "Obamaville" homeless camp thing, after going out in a spasm of violence in the main centers. 

 

For me it was, for awhile, heartening to meet people....in the flesh vs online... who share my politics, or at least some of my politics.  But then the futility of all this can't be ignored, either, and that eventually trumped the sense of comraderie that I first experienced.  With an upcoming loss of a job I am more inclined to withdraw then "reach out", esp. since I tend to be a loner anyway. 

 

So, that was the Occupation.  For me it's over. 

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I think we can say that this movement is pretty much over, fading away and degenerating into that "Obamaville" homeless camp thing, after going out in a spasm of violence in the main centers. 

 

Interesting take.  From the coverage I've seen, I felt like it was gaining momentum still...

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Ooohh; that's what all the people sleeping in tents were all about? I thought I just made a wrong turn and ended up on Parson's ave. *Shrugs*

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Ooohh; that's what all the people sleeping in tents were all about? I thought I just made a wrong turn and ended up on Parson's ave. *Shrugs*

 

AND WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?  I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN TAKEN HOSTAGE (AND POSSIBLY BRAIN WASHED) BY OCCUPY CINCY OR COLUMBUS!

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I have a new found respect for Gingrich!  I'm sure it will be short lived, but he sums up how I feel about the "occupy" people.

 

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Well, you are the 1%.

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I have a new found respect for Gingrich!  I'm sure it will be short lived, but he sums up how I feel about the "occupy" people.

 

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That's the type of simplistic thinking that you'd normally rail against.  I'm surprised you would agree with that type of a soundbite political argument. 

 

In many cases the behavior of the OWS protestors has gone too far.  But their basic message cannot be ignored...unless you're part of the elite and want to protect the status quo. 

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I have a new found respect for Gingrich!  I'm sure it will be short lived, but he sums up how I feel about the "occupy" people.

 

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That's the type of simplistic thinking that you'd normally rail against.  I'm surprised you would agree with that type of a soundbite political argument. 

 

In many cases the behavior of the OWS protestors has gone too far.  But their basic message cannot be ignored...unless you're part of the elite and want to protect the status quo. 

 

And what is the basic message?  And how is what they are doing expressing a solution or is targeted the audience that needs to hear that message?

 

According to the website, OWS "is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations."

 

It seems they have the major banks, multinational corporations, and Wall St protest down, but what about the other side of it?  What about the government officials that allow themselves to be influenced?  No protests outside of City Halls?  Congress?  Capitol Building?  White House?  Are they forgetting everyone in Congress/Washington are part of the 1%?  Why aren't they protesting them too?

 

It seems they are basically asking a portion of the 1% to take power from another portion of the 1% and distribute benefits accordingly to the rest of them.  That's a great solution; change corrosive power from one conglomerate (corporations) to another (federal government).  If you're really going to protest the 1%, then actually protest against the entire 1%.

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^hey after watching the browns game today i occupied harlem for a little while!

 

Ahhh...now I know what that stench was! :P :P :P ;)

 

I have a new found respect for Gingrich!  I'm sure it will be short lived, but he sums up how I feel about the "occupy" people.

 

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Well, you are the 1%.

And you said that to say what?

 

I think the Occupy people had a message but since they have no true leader or mission the message is and "occupation" has lost its interest.

 

In addition, what have these occupy movements cost local governments?  Small businesses nearby? etc.?  I'm sick of the whining about not having a job, but you can sit you stinkin' ass down in a park with your ipad and post from an occupy movement.  Get a damn clue, life isn't mean to be easy and nothing should be handed to you just for the hell of it!

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Older, Suburban and Struggling, ‘Near Poor’ Startle the Census

 

After a lost decade of flat wages and the worst downturn since the Great Depression, the findings can be thought of as putting numbers to the bleak national mood — quantifying the expressions of unease erupting in protests and political swings. They convey levels of economic stress sharply felt but until now hard to measure.

 

The Census Bureau, which published the poverty data two weeks ago, produced the analysis of those with somewhat higher income at the request of The New York Times. The size of the near-poor population took even the bureau’s number crunchers by surprise.

 

“These numbers are higher than we anticipated,” said Trudi J. Renwick, the bureau’s chief poverty statistician. “There are more people struggling than the official numbers show.”

 

Also, a good graphic accompanies the article, but im not sharp enough to figure out how to post it here.

 

 

 

 

 

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So, having been to all these places, what do you think of the mainstream media coverage?

 

 

I have no idea, since I dont have a TV and I don't listen to radio news...not even NPR.  I get my news from googling stuff. 

 

From the online media, which I guess is akin the print media, it seems to be fair, but I think they probably have made more of a big deal of this than it warranted. I already commented on this thread about hyperventilating columnists (Chris Hedges, I think).

 

For print media, there is some differences in coverage between local papers, both dailys and those free weeklies.  For example the Rochester free weekly reported on their Occupy differently than the Dayton free weekly.

 

 

If there was media silence or minimal reporting it would have went away quicker, becoming just a NYC thing.

 

 

The real story is that this movement caught-on beyond NYC.  The original action was just to be a brief thing in New York, not a a national movement.  Seems this is a missed story.  It could be the coverage of the NY actions led people elsewhere to join in...rather than just consume the media spectacle emenating from Manhattan.

 

I think thats' the story.  That this caught on the way it did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Russel Sage Foundation reports....

 

....Growth in the Residential Segregationof Families by Income, 1970-2009

 

...links to a .pdf

 

As overall income inequality grew in the last four decades, high- and

low-income families have become increasingly less likely to live near

one another. Mixed income neighborhoods have grown rarer, while

affluent and poor neighborhoods have grown much more common. In

fact, the share of the population in large and moderate-sized metropolitan

areas who live in the poorest and most auent neighborhoods

has more than doubled since 1970, while the share of families living in

middle-income neighborhoods dropped from 65 percent to 44 percent.

 

The residential isolation of the both poor and affluent families has

grown over the last four decades, though affluent families have been

generally more residentially isolated than poor families during this

period. Income segregation among African Americans and Hispanics

grew more rapidly than among non-Hispanic whites, especially since

2000 These trends are consequential because people are aaffected by the character of the local areas in which they live.  (a little foot-stomp for Urban Ohio, since we see this in our cities)

 

...as an aside, Russell Sage, whoever he was, must have had some affliation with Troy, NY, as there is a Russell Sage College in downtown Troy.

 

 

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Or, for an abridged version with some nifty graphics, here is the NYT take.

 

Middle-Class Areas Shrink as Income Gap Grows, New Report Finds

 

  The portion of American families living in middle-income neighborhoods has declined significantly since 1970, according to a new study, as rising income inequality left a growing share of families in neighborhoods that are mostly low-income or mostly affluent.

 

 

The study, conducted by Stanford University and scheduled for release on Wednesday by the Russell Sage Foundation and Brown University, uses census data to examine family income at the neighborhood level in the country’s 117 biggest metropolitan areas.

 

The findings show a changed map of prosperity in the United States over the past four decades, with larger patches of affluence and poverty and a shrinking middle

 

If one is concened about urban decline this is one thing that leads to it...the concentration of wealth into the 1% or near-1% improvishes wide swaths of the population, with direct consequecnes for the health of neighborhood retail and the ability of people to keep up their homes or even own homes.

 

Another consequences is if homeowners become renters but ca'nt afford enough rent so the landlords can keep property up there will be declining conditions of housing due to deferred maintenance and deterioration, since the money is just not in the system anymore...it's concentrated in fewer hands vs being more widely distributed. 

 

So all this plays out in our urban landscapes, this stuff OWS talks about. 

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And what is the basic message?  And how is what they are doing expressing a solution or is targeted the audience that needs to hear that message?

 

According to the website, OWS "is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations."

 

It seems they have the major banks, multinational corporations, and Wall St protest down, but what about the other side of it?  What about the government officials that allow themselves to be influenced?  No protests outside of City Halls?  Congress?  Capitol Building?  White House?  Are they forgetting everyone in Congress/Washington are part of the 1%?  Why aren't they protesting them too?

 

It seems they are basically asking a portion of the 1% to take power from another portion of the 1% and distribute benefits accordingly to the rest of them.  That's a great solution; change corrosive power from one conglomerate (corporations) to another (federal government).  If you're really going to protest the 1%, then actually protest against the entire 1%.

 

I think you understand the basic message.  As for the money in politics part of the problem, there's a completely separate movement (as there should be, so as not to confuse people and give each piece due attention) that is focusing on that that has nothing to do with OWS.

 

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In addition, what have these occupy movements cost local governments?  Small businesses nearby? etc.?

 

Sometimes you have to break a few eggs if you wanna make an omelet.  :whip:

 

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Even if one leaves ideology aside, OWS was the opposite of the Tea Party in a lot of ways.

 

The Tea Party held rallies to build a movement.  The rallies were short, tightly organized, and designed to get people involved in other, more effective ways.  The Tea Party expected the media to treat them in a negative way, so they made it tough to do that.  They made sure the rallies stayed on message (no internally divisive issues, let alone fringe ones), had all their permits, and perhaps most importantly, left the location clean.

 

OWS, on the other hand, built a movement to hold rallies.  There was no effective organization and no message control.  Anyone could show up, and pretty much “anyone” did.  Things were chaotic, and inevitably a mess.

 

The Tea Party had a message, and picked its targets accordingly.  Anyone involved in the government being too big, too expensive, and too intrusive was a target.  It was mostly Democrats, but the Republicans and the private sector caught grief too sometimes.

OWS had a target more than a message.  It was all about corporations and “the rich”.  Once their gripes with said targets were (more or less) listed, they weren’t very specific about solutions.  Also, if anyone from the right or center tried to point out places where government was complicit vis a vis said gripes, they went back on attack mode….against them. 

 

Eventually, the Tea Party faded and went away.  Why?  Because it was successful  It clearly had an end game, the 2010 elections, and it clearly had an impact.  The GOP’s power increased, and the tea party allies and ideas saw increased influence there.  There’s not much of it left, besides the kooks who figured out the name’s not trademarked, because it worked.

 

OWS, on the other hand, is going away because it had no coherent message, no organizational structure, and perhaps most importantly, no practical end game.  Even Gary Trudeau mocked their aimlessness.  Key potential allies (John Lewis) were turned away.  The lack of agenda let fringers and nihilists fill in their own.    The “entitlement” mentality at its root became apparent with the “Occupiers” attitude towards adjoining bathrooms:  “we need them, you have them, how dare you question our right to use them as we see fit”.  It never occurred to them that if you claim to represent Main Street, it’s best not to look like Telegraph Avenue.  Most importantly, they became a liability to the politicians who originally showed them tolerance,  particularly liberal Democratic mayors. 

 

In the end, the Tea Party was a classic example of what to do, OWS an example of what not to do.

 

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Occupy Wall Street protesters stay at $700-a-night hotel

 

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/wall_street_cra_pad_s31YWPjPTt0TYuxLGnu7IK

 

By CANDICE M. GIOVE

Last Updated: 12:25 PM, November 20, 2011

Posted: 12:06 AM, November 20, 2011

 

Hell no, we won’t go — unless we get goose down pillows.

 

A key Occupy Wall Street leader and another protester who leads a double life as a businessman ditched fetid tents and church basements for rooms at a luxurious hotel that promises guests can “unleash [their] inner Gordon Gekko,” The Post has learned.

 

The $700-per-night W Hotel Downtown last week hosted both Peter Dutro, one of a select few OWS members on the powerful finance committee, and Brad Spitzer, a California-based analyst who not only secretly took part in protests during a week-long business trip but offered shelter to protesters in his swanky platinum-card room.

 

 

 

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