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I've been to many NFL stadiums. Heck, I WORKED in decrepit Browns Stadium selling beer from 1990-95. I have never seen the electricity and play clock go out like that. Though I suppose it "could" happen.

 

Anyhow, I'm sure more people have had better experiences  but I have no reason to go back to Buffalo. Ever. One and done!

 

 

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I've been to many NFL stadiums. Heck, I WORKED in decrepit Browns Stadium selling beer from 1990-95. I have never seen the electricity and play clock go out like that. Though I suppose it "could" happen.

 

Anyhow, I'm sure more people have had better experiences  but I have no reason to go back to Buffalo. Ever. One and done!

 

 

 

I sold beer for a couple years including the "Red Right 88" game.  I recall some scoreboard glitches but never the actual power.

 

I liked the Bills stadium.  I actually had my old style digital camera, with AA batteries, and was sitting low in the end zone with the Broncos huddling not far away.

 

I was good....... >:)

 

It helped that the Bills fans were 100% aware the Indians were playing the Miami baseball team that night.  Too bad Jose Mesa wasn't.

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I've been to many NFL stadiums. Heck, I WORKED in decrepit Browns Stadium selling beer from 1990-95. I have never seen the electricity and play clock go out like that. Though I suppose it "could" happen.

 

Anyhow, I'm sure more people have had better experiences  but I have no reason to go back to Buffalo. Ever. One and done!

 

 

 

I sold beer for a couple years including the "Red Right 88" game.  I recall some scoreboard glitches but never the actual power.

 

I liked the Bills stadium.  I actually had my old style digital camera, with AA batteries, and was sitting low in the end zone with the Broncos huddling not far away.

 

I was good....... >:)

 

It helped that the Bills fans were 100% aware the Indians were playing the Miami baseball team that night.  Too bad Jose Mesa wasn't.

 

Buffalo was the Tribes AAA affiliate for many years. You probably know this, just a general fyi.

 

 

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I've been to many NFL stadiums. Heck, I WORKED in decrepit Browns Stadium selling beer from 1990-95. I have never seen the electricity and play clock go out like that. Though I suppose it "could" happen.

 

Anyhow, I'm sure more people have had better experiences  but I have no reason to go back to Buffalo. Ever. One and done!

 

 

 

I sold beer for a couple years including the "Red Right 88" game.  I recall some scoreboard glitches but never the actual power.

 

I liked the Bills stadium.  I actually had my old style digital camera, with AA batteries, and was sitting low in the end zone with the Broncos huddling not far away.

 

I was good....... >:)

 

It helped that the Bills fans were 100% aware the Indians were playing the Miami baseball team that night.  Too bad Jose Mesa wasn't.

 

Buffalo was the Tribes AAA affiliate for many years. You probably know this, just a general fyi.

 

 

 

I actually wore my Bisons cap to the game along with my "Back In" #99 jersey lol. 

 

It had more to do with their antipathy for the Dolphins.  At the time they were the big rival, not so much New England.

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The drama continues, as it's sounding like Rams owner is going to build his stadium in L.A. no matter what.

 

Kroenke blasts St. Louis in NFL relocation proposal

By David Hunn

 

ST. LOUIS • The St. Louis region is losing population and lags in economic drivers to such a degree that it cannot support three professional sports teams, St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke told the National Football League in his proposal to move to Los Angeles.

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But perhaps the most scathing section of the application comes at the end, when it attacks St. Louis.

 

It calls San Diego and Oakland “significantly more attractive markets than St. Louis.” San Diego is the 12th most attractive metropolitan area in the country, it says, and Oakland’s gross domestic product is expected to rise above San Francisco’s in 10 to 15 years.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/kroenke-blasts-st-louis-in-nfl-relocation-proposal/article_cc72f61a-0c35-53bd-8890-0efde6402509.html

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^ If I were a leader in St. Louis, I would just say 'good riddance.' There are much better uses for that public money in the region and the economic return of having a football team wouldn't be worth it. And, it's not like the Rams have a long, significant history in St. Louis that makes irrational spending more worthwhile.

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^ If I were a leader in St. Louis, I would just say 'good riddance.' There are much better uses for that public money in the region and the economic return of having a football team wouldn't be worth it. And, it's not like the Rams have a long, significant history in St. Louis that makes irrational spending more worthwhile.

 

Well the economics for stadium investment are out and they're not flattering. Wouldn't it be a real kick to have three poorly run NFL teams in L.A. (Los Apathy)?

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^ If I were a leader in St. Louis, I would just say 'good riddance.' There are much better uses for that public money in the region and the economic return of having a football team wouldn't be worth it. And, it's not like the Rams have a long, significant history in St. Louis that makes irrational spending more worthwhile.

 

Well the economics for stadium investment are out and they're not flattering. Wouldn't it be a real kick to have three poorly run NFL teams in L.A. (Los Apathy)?

 

They just want the TV market.

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NFL owners vote 30-2 to OK move of St. Louis Rams back to Los Angeles. Chargers were given the option to relocate, while the Raiders bow out of any move.

 

EDIT: BTW this is why you don't give billionaires taxpayer's money to build stadiums. This nonfederal money could have built the long-sought light-rail line to the south side or rebuilt all of the county's streets, bridge and sewers...

 

Edward Jones Dome was built in 1995. Missouri still owes $72 million in stadium bonds, while St. Louis city and STL county owe $36M each.


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Communist China uses private-sector leases to retire public sector bonds.

 

The lesson?

 

America increasingly doesn't provide taxpayers subsidies to benefit the public good unless someone really, really wealthy is the ultimate beneficiary.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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As a taxpayer for the Bengals stadium I'm mad as hell the NFL is giving the Rams and the Chargers 100M each to help build that stadium. The county needs to sue the NFL.

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^ definately, but the bengals never threatened to leave did they? maybe they should have since it looks like that kind of strategy might have paid off.

 

san diego has a stadium vote in june. they get to wait for that and if it fails they have the option to move. if they choose not to, then oakland gets the option.

 

i dk why they narrowed it to two teams at inglewood, while the carson plan could have had three teams? i guess they need at least two teams to make an almost $2B new stadium worthwhile. its so strange los angeles will probably end up with two teams and maybe could have had three after having none.

 

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^ definately, but the bengals never threatened to leave did they? maybe they should have since it looks like that kind of strategy might have paid off.

 

The NFL implied the threat for them.  The new stadium was in process in Cleveland.  Cincinnati wasn't a priority to the NFL, as an AFL expansion team it didn't have a historical high profile.

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"Socialist" Europe has figured out ways to make the private sector pay for stadiums. Why can't we?

 

They are "socialist" and we are becoming more and more an oligarchy every day....

 

 

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As a taxpayer for the Bengals stadium I'm mad as hell the NFL is giving the Rams and the Chargers 100M each to help build that stadium. The county needs to sue the NFL.

 

In 1995, the NFL gave Cleveland $71 million in cash to pay for building a new $280 million stadium, but county taxpayers paid most of the cost.

 

The NFL in 2013 also financed $62.5 million of the $125 million renovation cost of Cleveland's stadium.


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"Socialist" Europe has figured out ways to make the private sector pay for stadiums. Why can't we?

 

Because their governments have power more concentrated at the national level, they don't have the zillions of municipalities constantly undercutting each other and screwing over the local taxpayers and residents like we do. Overall I'm definitely in favor of federalism but there's got to be some way we can curb that garbage.

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"Socialist" Europe has figured out ways to make the private sector pay for stadiums. Why can't we?

 

Because their governments have power more concentrated at the national level, they don't have the zillions of municipalities constantly undercutting each other and screwing over the local taxpayers and residents like we do. Overall I'm definitely in favor of federalism but there's got to be some way we can curb that garbage.

 

Do soccer teams over there even move to different towns?

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"Socialist" Europe has figured out ways to make the private sector pay for stadiums. Why can't we?

 

Because their governments have power more concentrated at the national level, they don't have the zillions of municipalities constantly undercutting each other and screwing over the local taxpayers and residents like we do. Overall I'm definitely in favor of federalism but there's got to be some way we can curb that garbage.

 

Do soccer teams over there even move to different towns?

 

Yes, but it's rare.  In the larger scheme of things I suppose NFL relocations are rare as well, with the last one being nearly 20 years ago (Houston->Nashville).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relocation_of_professional_sports_teams#Team_relocations_in_Europe

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"Socialist" Europe has figured out ways to make the private sector pay for stadiums. Why can't we?

 

Because their governments have power more concentrated at the national level, they don't have the zillions of municipalities constantly undercutting each other and screwing over the local taxpayers and residents like we do. Overall I'm definitely in favor of federalism but there's got to be some way we can curb that garbage.

 

Do soccer teams over there even move to different towns?

 

Yes, but it's rare.  In the larger scheme of things I suppose NFL relocations are rare as well, with the last one being nearly 20 years ago (Houston->Nashville).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relocation_of_professional_sports_teams#Team_relocations_in_Europe

 

It's a little more than rare to be honest - it's practically unheared of at the professional level. In the UK at least, the only one I can think of is Wimbledon's move to Milton Keynes which was and remains hugely controversial.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relocation_of_Wimbledon_F.C._to_Milton_Keynes This quote from the wiki article also nicely summarizes why it doesn't happen and I feel is applicable to Europe as a whole and soccer especially;

 

In English football, the relocation of teams away from their traditional districts is unusual because of the nature of the relationship between clubs and their fans: the local football club is regarded by most English football supporters as part of the local identity and social fabric rather than as a business that can be transplanted by its owners at will


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In English football, the relocation of teams away from their traditional districts is unusual because of the nature of the relationship between clubs and their fans: the local football club is regarded by most English football supporters as part of the local identity and social fabric rather than as a business that can be transplanted by its owners at will

 

The Browns are about as close as the NFL comes to this.  Like it or not, the Rams didn't have the history in St Louis (and why didn't they sue to keep the Cardinals name?)

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^ Would the trouble with soccer be attracting new fans at the new location? If a Cincinnati sports team were to move, I certainly wouldn't continue being a fan of them, I'd just let the NFL drop out of my life much like other sports that don't have teams here (NBA and NHL), which is what I imagine the vast majority of fans would do. Perhaps the markets in the US are big enough that attracting new fans isn't a problem? I can't imagine the Rams will have much trouble seeing as how they have about 18 million people in LA as potential fans.

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^ Would the trouble with soccer be attracting new fans at the new location? If a Cincinnati sports team were to move, I certainly wouldn't continue being a fan of them, I'd just let the NFL drop out of my life much like other sports that don't have teams here (NBA and NHL), which is what I imagine the vast majority of fans would do. Perhaps the markets in the US are big enough that attracting new fans isn't a problem? I can't imagine the Rams will have much trouble seeing as how they have about 18 million people in LA as potential fans.

 

The other thing about LA is there are so many people there from other cities, so depending on who the Rams play, wouldn't surprise me to see a very large percentage of the crowd rooting for the road team.

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^ Would the trouble with soccer be attracting new fans at the new location? If a Cincinnati sports team were to move, I certainly wouldn't continue being a fan of them, I'd just let the NFL drop out of my life much like other sports that don't have teams here (NBA and NHL), which is what I imagine the vast majority of fans would do. Perhaps the markets in the US are big enough that attracting new fans isn't a problem? I can't imagine the Rams will have much trouble seeing as how they have about 18 million people in LA as potential fans.

 

The other thing about LA is there are so many people there from other cities, so depending on who the Rams play, wouldn't surprise me to see a very large percentage of the crowd rooting for the road team.

 

Not only that, but with the percentage of loge areas they want it's likely the place would be filled with even more indifferent corporate types.

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i really liked the super bowl game this year. it was tough and close. afterward, cam & company were mostly terrible poor sports about losing, but that just reiterates how hard fought the actual game was. they'll be back.

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i really liked the super bowl game this year. it was tough and close. afterward, cam & company were mostly terrible poor sports about losing, but that just reiterates how hard fought the actual game was. they'll be back.

 

Considering the name of the trophy, perhaps Vince Lombardi's famous quote about "good losers" should apply. 

 

Highly competitive people are that way because they do think winning is important....

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How many times did Manning say "Budweiser" after the game?

 

That did seem odd.  He doesn't look like a Budweiser guy to me but i guess it's better than "I'm going to Disney world!"

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Active NFL players are prohibited from "endorsing" a specific brand of beer even if they aren't paid for it. Some players were speculating on Twitter last night that it was his way of saying he's retiring, without taking any attention away from his teammates' celebration of the big win.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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BREAKING NEWS: WSJ reports players' association is finalizing deal with NFL to remove Roger Goodell as Commissioner https://t.co/2mN8ZDaObV


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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It really isn't going to work until they get 4 teams in Europe -- enough for an entire division.  That would greatly simplify the regular season and playoffs situation.  But what are the 4 teams that will be poached from the U.S.? 

 

And the tax situation is truly ridiculous.  On top of paying well over 50% in taxes, players will also have to pay extra for accountants who can deal with the international complexity. 

 

 

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Even if they did get 4 teams in Europe, which conference would they play in?  That would mean one conference has 5 divisions while the other has 4.  Not gonna happen.  Plus, I don't think the NFL has much interest in expanding beyond the current 32 teams.  If a team wants to move, that is fine, but if the league wasn't going to create a new franchise for LA, it sure won't for any city in Europe.

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That's what I meant -- they'd have to eventually get four teams to relocate from U.S. cities to England and mainland Europe.  England could probably support two teams and then one in France and one in Germany. 

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For logistical reasons, I don't think the NFL will ever put a team in Europe. They are playing these games to grow support abroad, but they aren't going to do it. If they ever did, they would need to add bye weeks for any time a team has to cross the Ocean to play. Teams already complain about playing games on Mondays or Thursdays because of the lack of a break between weeks.

 

Toronto and Mexico City make way more sense than London or mainland Europe. I expect them to continue to push for more games overseas, but not a permanent team.

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^ I think they should move the Bills to Toronto.  The Ralph is old and outdated, and Buffalo is a small and shrinking metro, with little economic clout.  Meanwhile, Toronto is busting at the seems, and is still close enough to Buffalo that long time fans could still attend games.  The NFL could make a lot of money from that move, I'd think. 

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They already play a couple games there every year, I believe.

 

EDIT: They stopped doing this in 2013. I was in Toronto and saw signs for the series a few years ago, and just assumed it was still happening.

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^ I think they should move the Bills to Toronto.  The Ralph is old and outdated, and Buffalo is a small and shrinking metro, with little economic clout.  Meanwhile, Toronto is busting at the seems, and is still close enough to Buffalo that long time fans could still attend games.  The NFL could make a lot of money from that move, I'd think. 

 

If you've ever been to a Bills game, you might change your mind.  They draw from a pretty large geographic area and their fans are about as devout as ours.

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^ I think they should move the Bills to Toronto.  The Ralph is old and outdated, and Buffalo is a small and shrinking metro, with little economic clout.  Meanwhile, Toronto is busting at the seems, and is still close enough to Buffalo that long time fans could still attend games.  The NFL could make a lot of money from that move, I'd think. 

 

The Toronto series was cancelled because the financial model wasn't working.  It took them actually doing it to prove what their market research could have told them:  A large part of the Bills Ontario fanbase is Southern Ontarians.      It was easy for them to pop across the Peace Bridge for a game in Orchard Park.  But none of them (and most of the USA fan base) wanted to deal with going to Toronto, only to arrive at a stadium with no tailgaiting surrounded by office buildings and overpriced bars.    They stayed home, and the Rogers Center ended up giving away lots of tickets to those games.

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For logistical reasons, I don't think the NFL will ever put a team in Europe. They are playing these games to grow support abroad, but they aren't going to do it. If they ever did, they would need to add bye weeks for any time a team has to cross the Ocean to play. Teams already complain about playing games on Mondays or Thursdays because of the lack of a break between weeks.

 

Toronto and Mexico City make way more sense than London or mainland Europe. I expect them to continue to push for more games overseas, but not a permanent team.

 

 

I went to the Bills-Jags game last year in Wembley.  In a VIP lounge I struck up a conversation with a guy connected to the London series.  He told me the logistics go beyond what you might imagine.  Most teams sign players every Monday to the practice squad ,etc.  These players don't make much money and literally they have local pools of journeymen that crash on couches or drive in from wherever they live.    For the NFL to move a team there, they would likely be an east coast based team, who would fly over only for games, returning for the week of practice conducting business as usual here in the states.  If they did base there, they would likely have to pay players to sit over there in London to be available for this use. 

 

The NHL is currently realigning much of it's farm team structure for a similar reason--they have to by rules have so many players waiting in reserve.  Many teams would have to fly minor league team members in and put them up with hotels, meals, etc.  So now you see Buffalo has realigned with Rochester, Winnipeg is moving theirs to Thunder Bay, etc....

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