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I find the massively tall ceilings in that Kroger to be rather uncomfortable, it just feels off for the size of the space, and it's gotta waste a lot of energy in heating and cooling.  Plus hanging signs or running conduit or refrigerant lines results in some pretty absurd installations.   Contrast that with the suspended ceiling in the Hyde Park Kroger, which is too low, but at least it doesn't feel like a factory.  

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^ I've always been curious if the store was designed to accommodate a possible full second floor build-out. There are prep areas and the liquor store/bar up on the second floor around the perimeter, but those could have been on a mezzanine level or a single structural bay that popped up higher than the rest of the store. There had to be some reason to make the entire building 35+ feet tall. Maybe it's set up to be modified, with the Marketplace additions all on the second level?

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Marketplace stores are good for areas that are otherwise under-retailed (see the Marketplace on the South Side of Columbus which serves the heavily under-retailed Uncool Crescent) and Uptown certainly falls into that category. 

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The high ceilings are meant for expansions and additional service needs. Prior to the downtown store, Kroger was close to just closing Corryville. They had alot of old school close to retirement farts running the Cincinnati Dayton store planning/construction division. Urban stores were the worst idea ever thought of in their playbooks. I use to design for them. We are lucky a new store was built there at all. But the design and plan was basically a marketplace store with the sides loped off and it makes a smaller footprint. 

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So it was a lot of Bob From Mason and Buzz the Overpaid Boomer rather than in the Great Lakes Region which had newer ideas such as the Short North store.

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1 minute ago, GCrites80s said:

So it was a lot of Bob From Mason and Buzz the Overpaid Boomer rather than in the Great Lakes Region which had newer ideas such as the Short North store.

Yep basically. Hell the Louisville/Lexington division had more aggressive forward thinking guys that wanted to do urban format stores. I know a couple fellas that said some new blood from Chicago is helping run the Cincinnati Dayton division now so maybe we will continue to see some more creative Kroger development over time. 

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Clifton Heights just got all-new metro bus benches.  The concrete benches with the advertisements are gone and they have been replaced with black metal benches that say "Clifton Heights" on them. 

 

Also, I spoke tonight to someone who went to the CUF community council meetings where the developers of The Deacon showed up, and said that the "old-timers on Fairview Ave." raised a big stink about the "density".  So Deaconess Hospital wasn't "dense"?  Give me a break. 

 

I don't get why someone would buy a house in a neighborhood like Clifton Heights and then complain about "density".  It's like buying a house on the ocean and then complaining about water and seagulls. 

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3 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

Clifton Heights just got all-new metro bus benches.  The concrete benches with the advertisements are gone and they have been replaced with black metal benches that say "Clifton Heights" on them. 

 

Also, I spoke tonight to someone who went to the CUF community council meetings where the developers of The Deacon showed up, and said that the "old-timers on Fairview Ave." raised a big stink about the "density".  So Deaconess Hospital wasn't "dense"?  Give me a break. 

 

I don't get why someone would buy a house in a neighborhood like Clifton Heights and then complain about "density".  It's like buying a house on the ocean and then complaining about water and seagulls. 

You’d think that they would understand living right next to a university, but just seems like all they want to do is complain. Pretty sure this will raise their home value much more than what Deaconess did.

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5 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

Clifton Heights just got all-new metro bus benches.  The concrete benches with the advertisements are gone and they have been replaced with black metal benches that say "Clifton Heights" on them. 

 

Also, I spoke tonight to someone who went to the CUF community council meetings where the developers of The Deacon showed up, and said that the "old-timers on Fairview Ave." raised a big stink about the "density".  So Deaconess Hospital wasn't "dense"?  Give me a break. 

 

I don't get why someone would buy a house in a neighborhood like Clifton Heights and then complain about "density".  It's like buying a house on the ocean and then complaining about water and seagulls. 

It's like all the folks who have moved in around Lunken who have bitched in the past about the sound. Hey sorry but airport was there before you moved in, you think it's going to be quiet now that you moved into the area?

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Or when people move into a new subdivision in the middle of cornfields that even has "Farms" in the name then get mad when there's tractors loafing down the road at 8am making them late for work. 

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21 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

Or when people move into a new subdivision in the middle of cornfields that even has "Farms" in the name then get mad when there's tractors loafing down the road at 8am making them late for work. 

 

And the problem is that when you call these people out for their sloppy emotional comments, you're the bad guy, plus you just ruined any hope of being neighbors with your neighbors. 

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What’s next for Cincinnati’s second-largest development?

 

With Cincinnati City Council’s rezoning of 12 acres of land where the former Deaconness Hospital once stood, the second-largest real estate project being built in the city moves to a new phase.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/08/09/what-s-next-for-cincinnati-s-second-largest.html

 

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2 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

What’s next for Cincinnati’s second-largest development?

 

With Cincinnati City Council’s rezoning of 12 acres of land where the former Deaconness Hospital once stood, the second-largest real estate project being built in the city moves to a new phase.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/08/09/what-s-next-for-cincinnati-s-second-largest.html

 

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I was just getting ready to post this. Unfortunately I cannot read it:/

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New Children’s hospital addition with the new Ronald McDonald addition to the left in the first photo. I did not realize how massive it was until I saw it today. 

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It's big but I'm not seeing how this is costing $650 million to build.  I assume that that cost includes a lot of new equipment. 

 

The Ronald McDonald House expansion is quite large -- it might be bigger than the current facility. 

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With the new Kroger now "On The Rhine", and Court St. "Under-the-Rhine", it's time for Clifton Heights to rename itself "Rhine Heights" so as to boost our cache and property values by $50k.  

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3CDC was very smart to pick "On The Rhine" as the branding for all of the new stuff on Court Street -- they can still use the acronym "OTR" and most people visiting the urban core won't realize (or care) it's not actually in Over-the-Rhine.

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I was still rooting for "KrOger-The-Rhine."  Meh.


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9 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

I was still rooting for "KrOger-The-Rhine."  Meh.

 

And for the apartments to be "Over-The-Kroger"

 

 

I'll see myself out

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14 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

With the new Kroger now "On The Rhine", and Court St. "Under-the-Rhine", it's time for Clifton Heights to rename itself "Rhine Heights" so as to boost our cache and property values by $50k.  

 

I believe the business owners on Court Street have actually been pushing "Lo-T-R."

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1 hour ago, DEPACincy said:

I believe the business owners on Court Street have actually been pushing "Lo-T-R."

 

That sounds like something a realtor from Landen came up with.

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I apologize for my terrible paint work but adobe creative is not on this computer....

 

Drove by the corner of Clifton and MLK and noticed that the new DAAP annex is going to be way further back than expected. The have built out the structure already it seems. Really hope that prime corner spot is not going to be all surface parking...

 

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7 hours ago, tonyt3524 said:

I apologize for my terrible paint work but adobe creative is not on this computer....

 

Drove by the corner of Clifton and MLK and noticed that the new DAAP annex is going to be way further back than expected. The have built out the structure already it seems. Really hope that prime corner spot is not going to be all surface parking...

 

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Well, i have some bad news for you.........maybe someday it will be different but for now it will be parking.

 

 

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, tonyt3524 said:

I apologize for my terrible paint work but adobe creative is not on this computer....

 

Drove by the corner of Clifton and MLK and noticed that the new DAAP annex is going to be way further back than expected. The have built out the structure already it seems. Really hope that prime corner spot is not going to be all surface parking...

 

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Yep! You pointed this out in the UC Development thread, back in May: 

 

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This is a ridiculous project.  They tore down 4 houses about 4 years ago for this sculpture studio, as if if blank land doesn't exist on UC's existing campus.  Like, all that wasted space between DAAP and the corner of MLK & Clifton, for example.  Or the sloping lawn between the DAAP bridge entrance and Clifton Court. 

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17 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

This is a ridiculous project.  They tore down 4 houses about 4 years ago for this sculpture studio, as if if blank land doesn't exist on UC's existing campus.  Like, all that wasted space between DAAP and the corner of MLK & Clifton, for example.  Or the sloping lawn between the DAAP bridge entrance and Clifton Court. 

 

The problem with signature architecture is that those empty spots are critical to showing off the design. I'm betting they will never build on them, especially for the school of architecture. Some of the other buildings like the Graves building have one good sightline so that things can be built on other sides but DAAP and the landscaping around it are all part of the 'vision'. Not saying that's right but i think that is how they see it.

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33 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

Each thing that pushes students further away from other things leads to more Xbox and DoorDash and less engagement in the local community and economy.

 

Well at least sculpture (and ceramics) students are pretty social with each other, since they need each other to help with kilns, molds, etc.  

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4 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

This is a ridiculous project.  They tore down 4 houses about 4 years ago for this sculpture studio, as if if blank land doesn't exist on UC's existing campus.  Like, all that wasted space between DAAP and the corner of MLK & Clifton, for example.  Or the sloping lawn between the DAAP bridge entrance and Clifton Court. 

 

Those houses have been demolished for way longer than four years, probably closer to eight years ago or even earlier. 

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