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I wish it were there when I was a teenager. Could have been a nice alternative to the Buzz, Angst, and Sitwell's. (Edit: Though maybe not...there isn't much seating.)

 

^ Hey, thanks. That was fast! :clap:

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^^^ Wow, so glad there are actually some with a voice speaking up for these historic buildings.

 

I'm happy too :).  A good compromise with the developer might be to suggest that he'll save money in not demoing the old buildings by building on the area that is currently the parking lot.  He can then take some of that savings and put it into the design of his apartments differentiating his product on a crowded marketplace.  I mean how is he going to beat his competition?  Think about it that way ;).

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For all of you worried about saving the old buildings: What will come of them? I appreciate the historic architecture as much as the next guy, but why save the building if it's going to sit vacant and/or in rough condition?

 

 

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For all of you worried about saving the old buildings: What will come of them? I appreciate the historic architecture as much as the next guy, but why save the building if it's going to sit vacant and/or in rough condition?

 

Because they're the historic fabric of the city.  Once you remove that, you can never get it back.  And they are almost always replaced with bland, poorly built crap (if you're lucky), and with surface lots if you're not.  Obviously, you can't save every structure, but ones that are of historical and/or architectural significance should be preserved whenever possible. 

 

Christy's won't sit vacant.  It's a great building in a good location that has been a successful restaurant and bar for years.  It even has a nice biergarten.  They're not talking about tearing it down because it can't be saved, they're talking about tearing it down because doing so makes their project easier to implement.  I'm not as familiar with the other buildings being discussed, but I assume the situation is similar. 

 

I'm all for new development within the urban core, but not at the expense of the city's finest buildings.  This can be worked around, I'm sure.  The question is whether that will happen or not.

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I wish it were there when I was a teenager. Could have been a nice alternative to the Buzz, Angst, and Sitwell's. (Edit: Though maybe not...there isn't much seating.)

 

I haven't heard anyone mention Angst in years.  I miss that place.  Had a lot of fun times there post-midnight in high school.

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Christy's is a very interesting building.  It's been closed since I turned 21 in December and haven't had a chance to enjoy the biergarten, but it's always looked like a pretty cool place to enjoy a drink.  Does anyone know if people still live above the bar/restaurant? And if Christy really does want to sell the lot, that probably doesn't bode well for saving the structure.

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Lendhardt's (which everyone insists on calling Christies even though its just the Bar.... I guess that said something about the state of the restaurant though).  Is actually located in an old Mansion that was built by Christian Moerlien by for one of his daughters I believe.  It's even located on Moerlien Street.  I think its eligible for historic status on that ground.

 

First it was McMillan Manor.

Then it was Sterling McMillan

Now it's "Campus Park"

http://www.campusparkcincy.com/

 

They have gutted the lobby and filled its windows with posters showing even douchier-looking happy students. 

 

Wow even the logo is Douchey.  Open up a sports bar next door, preferably with a bull in it.

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Christy's is a very interesting building.  It's been closed since I turned 21 in December and haven't had a chance to enjoy the biergarten, but it's always looked like a pretty cool place to enjoy a drink.  Does anyone know if people still live above the bar/restaurant? And if Christy really does want to sell the lot, that probably doesn't bode well for saving the structure.

If you want to be depressed about what this city has already lost, check out this link:

 

http://www.bettshouse.org/lost/

 

Sadly, a lot of that was voluntarily demolition.

 

Lendhardt's (which everyone insists on calling Christies even though its just the Bar.... I guess that said something about the state of the restaurant though).  Is actually located in an old Mansion that was built by Christian Moerlien by for one of his daughters I believe.  It's even located on Moerlien Street.  I think its eligible for historic status on that ground.

Yeah, that naming was just bad.  They should have been just Lenhardt's or just Christy's.  It's confusing to have both.  I'm assuming they weren't completely separate enterprises, but I really don't know. 

 

As for the ties to Moerlein, my dream is that Greg Hardman buys the property and runs it under the Moerlein name.  Seems like it is different enough from the Lagerhouse to avoid cannibalizing its business, and would serve the college student market if nothing else.  Hardman seems like a guy with a soft spot for historic ties, so I don't think this is completely outside the realm of possibility.

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The lack of quality bars in Clifton is unreal.  With the location of the building and all the activity around U Square, a bar serving local brews, like the Lager House, would do really well here.  U Square has Keystone Bar and Grill moving in, but the outdoor space at this building is very unique to Clifton.  And considering how packed Woody's is for happy hour, I think the neighborhood would support another drinking hole.  However, I think Lendhart's and Christy's would need to be cosmetically touched-up to be successful.

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The lack of quality bars in Clifton is unreal.

 

All we really have around here is Adriatico's for a selection of craft brews. Otherwise, it's slim pickings. Murphy's sucks for beer selection and rude, crappy owners and staff. Bearcat Cafe is ok, but not my cup of tea. Adriatico's is hardly a bar. I agree and do my outings downtown and OTR.

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I believe Greg is aware of the situation. I'm not sure about how involved he is. He is one of the principal members of the Brewery District, and I know that they are familiar with the proposal.

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Okay, thanks. Well that is good to know. At least he is aware of the option to pursue such a project, then. Must have crossed his mind. Who knows if he is actually in a position to take something like that on, though. Only he knows.

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Here's the finished Vine Street Flats. Better than the little hideous strip mall thing it replaced. The design actually has some potential, but then they went and ruined that potential with the weird little red wings, the use of brick where brick wasn't necessary, and all around lack of design finess

Read more: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,26241.0.html#ixzz2KE0TXeAI

 

Yeah, those red strips just look terrible.  Otherwise it's okay, I guess.  Whenever I see a new building like this, I can't help but wonder how dated it is going to look in 20 years.

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Total fail.  I no longer care if a project brings street life or density or anything to these streets.  I'll take the empty buildings that we lost instead.  It's all just so damn ugly.  Seriously, this rubbish looks like 1960's era East European apartment blocks.  I don't think people realize how little historic stock is left, and the old school could have provided a foundation and point of reference for what remains.  As more of this CRAP gets built, it only makes these CRAPPY developers more brazen and willing to eliminate what's left of our collective history.

 

I am just so ashamed of our society that we build this junk.  I'm getting to the point that the announcement of a new project in certain hoods actually makes me scared of what junk will befall us, instead of being excited about the prospect of new development.

 

The city needs to make a stand.  IF YOU WANT TO DESTROY AN OLDER STRUCTURE, WHAT REPLACES IT MUST BE OF HIGHER QUALITY.

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Thank this guy.

 

 

And what is the point of posting this profile?  Totally uncalled for.  Considering all the factors that go into the final execution of a built design, hardly worth villifying the designer (if it in fact was him).  Mods should remove this.

 

Am I happy with it?  No.  But everyone needs to remember, that if building these developments in a nicer manner was economically feasible or in high enough demand, someone would have stepped up to do it by now.  They aren't, so this is what we are stuck with.  You want better bad enough, either build up demand or step up and do it yourself. 

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I noticed that urbancincy is reporting that there will be 245 parking spaces and wcpo is reporting only 50.  Who's right?

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^??? There's nothing offensive about that post. It was a link to a public work related profile that lists him as the architect of the project. Someone asked "what firm did this" and by searching, the only thing that could be found was the architects public LinkedIn page that lists the project someone asked about. It's not like I posted his home phone number or said Burn him Alive! Public LinkedIn pages aren't some sacred personal thing.

 

Actually- I don't think the Schiel project is all that horrible. Some of the stuff on Euclid is pretty bad, but Schiel might be ok, and I have no complaints over Vine St Flats especially considering what it replaced

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Total fail.  I no longer care if a project brings street life or density or anything to these streets.  I'll take the empty buildings that we lost instead.  It's all just so damn ugly.  Seriously, this rubbish looks like 1960's era East European apartment blocks.  I don't think people realize how little historic stock is left, and the old school could have provided a foundation and point of reference for what remains.  As more of this CRAP gets built, it only makes these CRAPPY developers more brazen and willing to eliminate what's left of our collective history.

 

I am just so ashamed of our society that we build this junk.  I'm getting to the point that the announcement of a new project in certain hoods actually makes me scared of what junk will befall us, instead of being excited about the prospect of new development.

 

The city needs to make a stand.  IF YOU WANT TO DESTROY AN OLDER STRUCTURE, WHAT REPLACES IT MUST BE OF HIGHER QUALITY.

 

Seriously? A lot of what you (and others here) are complaining about being demolished is of little architectural significance and would have been called 'junk' by your definitions when it was constructed. Yeah the Schiel School was designed by a prominent architect but what exactly was so great about it other than it was old and designed by a famous guy? It was functionally obsolete for its use and would have never been economically practical to convert to any other uses such as condos or apartments.

 

If it wasn't demolished it would have likely have sat empty just like all of Cincinnati's other vacant school buildings. 

 

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I'd be fine if the building (s) that houses Clifton Natural Foods are demolished for this project since they don't seem to be anything special but hopefully the mansion built by Moerlein is able to be preserved. Obviously the developer would have to scale back their proposal to make this happen. 

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Actually that building is quite unusual for Cincinnati, I don't know of another in that style. 

 

Given all the crap that's been built in the past 10 years in this area, we have no reason to believe that this thing will look any better than McMillan Manor, U Square on the loop, Short Vine crap, etc.

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Given all the crap that's been built in the past 10 years in this area, we have no reason to believe that this thing will look any better than McMillan Manor, U Square on the loop, Short Vine crap, etc.

 

But, given all the people/businesses all that crap has brought to CUF, we have reason to believe this project will probably happen with or without tearing down Lenhardt's.

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The vast majority of the buildings abandoned by CPS either sit vacant or have been torn down. The buildings that you cite are a statistical anomaly and are greatly outnumbered by schools that have not been sucessfully redeveloped into apartments or any other use. SCPA has unique circumstances due to its location and size which make a redevlopment profitable.

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The vast majority of the buildings abandoned by CPS either sit vacant or have been torn down. The buildings that you cite are a statistical anomaly and are greatly outnumbered by schools that have not been sucessfully redeveloped into apartments or any other use. SCPA has unique circumstances due to its location and size which make a redevlopment profitable.

 

But isn't the schiel site also a potentially profitable site as its right next to a University with plenty of demand for high priced student housing?

 

On the flip side I heard there was tons of absestos which made redoing it not very feasible.  I would have liked to have seen the castle facade saved, but actually feel that the current building is a better use as its mixed use.  The design is better than most developments from what I've seen, but its still not quite as good as it could be.

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What people and businesses?  There were at least a dozen, if not two dozen businesses torn down for this development. 

 

Adding 2,000~ residents for 9 months out of the year does not significantly change the amount of commercial activity an area that already was seeing 30,000~ students and 10,000 staff visit daily. 

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