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Some more news from Severance today.

 

Sally's Beauty (in the corner anchored by Dave's) will be closing and moving to Oakwood Commons at the same time Walmart makes the move. Not good. Exactly the reason I did not support that development. Nothing new, just moving everything in from the city next door...

 

Im still hopeful something big is in store for Severance though. Management has been saying theyre in talks with tenants to move in when Walmart leaves

 

Agreed...the further along we go here, the more evident it becomes that the development of Oakwood was unnecessary and is adding very little value to the community.  How can a developer make claims of all the jobs that will be created when all they're doing is poaching job from other nearby retail centers?

 

In regards to Severance, the more the vacancies pile up, the more it seems like the property needs to be completely re-purposed.  I don't have any specific ideas, but perhaps something other than retail should be explored.

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It's too bad Acacia won't be developed into a sparkly new shopping center with tons of parking so we could move the rest of the University Square and La Place tenants over there.  Now that would be progress!

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Cleveland Heights' Nighttown planning expansion

Published: Friday, September 21, 2012, 1:00 PM

Brian Byrne, Sun News By Brian Byrne, Sun News

 

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS--Nighttown owner Brendan Ring realized this summer that he had a somewhat enviable problem for a restaurateur; the patio at his historic Cedar Road eatery was booked with private events every Friday and Saturday night from Memorial Day through mid-November.

 

While it pleased Ring that the 2002 addition to the fabled jazz venue had became a favorite locale to host special occasions, regular customers had begun voicing frustration at the lack of a weekend outdoor dining option.

 

So, to help accommodate his bustling business, Ring is planning a second patio at the rear of the restaurant. Called “The Secret Garden,” the 900-square foot roofed stone enclosure will feature water accents, a fire pit and seating for 75.

 

Designed by Cleveland Heights-based Robert W. Blatchford Architects, the new patio will bring a “very contemporary” look to Nighttown’s exterior, Ring said, a departure from the interior’s traditional decor. He expects the addition to cost $300,000.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cleveland-heights/index.ssf/2012/09/cleveland_heights_nighttown_pl.html

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Agreed...the further along we go here, the more evident it becomes that the development of Oakwood was unnecessary and is adding very little value to the community.  How can a developer make claims of all the jobs that will be created when all they're doing is poaching job from other nearby retail centers?

 

In regards to Severance, the more the vacancies pile up, the more it seems like the property needs to be completely re-purposed.  I don't have any specific ideas, but perhaps something other than retail should be explored.

 

Thats what Ive been thinking too. Its a nice neighborhood, but it seams there just isnt the support for all the retail there. In a perfect world id like to see Severance repurposed with apartments and houses, and retail returned to Taylor (as long as its not along the same lines as the Taylor Plaza strip mall... Ill stop before i get too off topic lol) The only problem is weve seen that new houses arent doing very well here, as evident by the still half finished Coral development on the northeast corner of Severance. I hope thats just to due with the housing crisis nationally, and not due to any lack of interest in the area. Bluestone looks like its gone pretty well.

 

In other news, that construction on Mayfield by Noble looks like it shouldnt be too much longer in finishing up. Does anyone know exactly what its going to be? (and what they tore down to replace?)

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^That is going to be an Autozone.  There was an older service center which was knocked down.  No big loss or gain IMO.

 

The smaller and mid-size shops at Severance will come and go.  It's the anchor tenants which will decide its fate.  It can probably afford to lose WalMart if it holds onto Home Depot and Dave's.  Who knows... if they're creative in re-purposing the WalMart space, it could turn out to be addition by subtraction.

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oh ok, i thought it was interesting that there was no autozone in this area...

 

Im not too sad to see walmart leave. Ill never shop there regardless of where it is. I just know it tends to be the "big draw" in shopping centers, and would hate to see a domino affect from their leaving and end up with something like City View in Garfield

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Not to get off topic, but I think City View's abandonment was because of the methane gas leak issue that was clearly very problematic when the center opened. I think that place just looks bad because the retailers that did leave had such huge stores and left huge empty spaces.

 

Got a chance to talk to some Wal-Mart realty people. They say it is normally the owners of properties Walmart is leaving who are most proactive in finding other tenants or alternative uses for the empty stores who are most successful in saving their property. I hope the rumors of them in talks with new tenants are true.

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oh ok, i thought it was interesting that there was no autozone in this area...

 

Im not too sad to see walmart leave. Ill never shop there regardless of where it is. I just know it tends to be the "big draw" in shopping centers, and would hate to see a domino affect from their leaving and end up with something like City View in Garfield

In walmarts defense though, the severance store is AWFUL. It is old, small, dirty, and low on inventory. the worst in Cleveland along with eastlake. For a decent Walmart experience I drive to mentor, north Olmsted, or strongsville. If I can handle it, steelyard. Though I hate severance taking a hit, it will be nice to have a new clean Walmart to go to near univ circle where I live. :)

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Don't know about Dave's but know for a fact that Home Depot is trying to move to Oakwood Commons, as is nearby Target, though current layout does not have necessary acreage (24?) they need, but....

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oh ok, i thought it was interesting that there was no autozone in this area...

 

Im not too sad to see walmart leave. Ill never shop there regardless of where it is. I just know it tends to be the "big draw" in shopping centers, and would hate to see a domino affect from their leaving and end up with something like City View in Garfield

In walmarts defense though, the severance store is AWFUL. It is old, small, dirty, and low on inventory. the worst in Cleveland along with eastlake. For a decent Walmart experience I drive to mentor, north Olmsted, or strongsville. If I can handle it, steelyard. Though I hate severance taking a hit, it will be nice to have a new clean Walmart to go to near univ circle where I live. :)

 

I think all the Walmarts I've been to fit that description. That's why i spend my Big box dollars at Target. Walmart is rolling out new store concepts, one a little larger than A Walgreens, the other even smaller. They also have a concept for colleges. I think they believe they will have conquered the American suburbs once all their large stores are super Walmarts. Then they will be moving into America's inner cities and in some cases already have.

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oh ok, i thought it was interesting that there was no autozone in this area...

 

Im not too sad to see walmart leave. Ill never shop there regardless of where it is. I just know it tends to be the "big draw" in shopping centers, and would hate to see a domino affect from their leaving and end up with something like City View in Garfield

In walmarts defense though, the severance store is AWFUL. It is old, small, dirty, and low on inventory. the worst in Cleveland along with eastlake. For a decent Walmart experience I drive to mentor, north Olmsted, or strongsville. If I can handle it, steelyard. Though I hate severance taking a hit, it will be nice to have a new clean Walmart to go to near univ circle where I live. :)

 

I think all the Walmarts I've been to fit that description. That's why i spend my Big box dollars at Target. Walmart is rolling out new store concepts, one a little larger than A Walgreens, the other even smaller. They also have a concept for colleges. I think they believe they will have conquered the American suburbs once all their large stores are super Walmarts. Then they will be moving into America's inner cities and in some cases already have.

 

They have also managed to put quite a few urban Wal-Marts here in Beijing, where it is quite popular... sooo yeah its not just America they are after! aaaaah! ok back on topic... I love nighttown!

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Don't know about Dave's but know for a fact that Home Depot is trying to move to Oakwood Commons, as is nearby Target, though current layout does not have necessary acreage (24?) they need, but....

 

Hm, i havent heard anything about Home Depot. I hope that doesnt happen, as im sure that would cause the remaining stores to leave. i dont see Daves moving at all. or at least if they do, not out of this neighborhood. Interesting thing is though, that without Daves here, Walmart would have stayed. the lease has a no competition clause that Daves be the only grocery store in the center, so Walmart wasnt able to expand to the super walmart. I do think that if Home Depot leaves, we wont be staying here much longer either. were already down to being just one of 3 store fronts in our wing. one of which is the Army Recruiter...

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^ What business are you referring to as "we wont be staying here much longer either."  Just curious.

 

Sorry, KeyBank. Its nothing "official" or anything from corporate or management. just our talk around the office. No need to start rumors that were leaving or anything!

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Low inventories is not a problem caused by the building you're in. It's a decision by upper management.

No, this is actually due to the stores age and outdated status. They don't have the newest fixtures or display units and the format of the store is very odd. This store doesn't have as much product or variety as most other stores-- not to mention the registers and entrance are in a very awkward spot. Without a hatred for Walmart, you could definitely be more reasonable and realize the benefit for Walmart and its customers. Not so much for severance of course, but that's just how things go these days. Severance reminds me of steelyard commons, just less tenants and it doesn't look very nice. Never excited to take a trip anywhere there.

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Inventory does not equal variety. Fixtures only matter when you have either management and staff that isn't motivated to make things work, or a corporate decision to under supply a store because of it. I wasn't arguing any other points. I wasn't arguing any other point than inventory count.

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Back from the dead, reincarnated......

 

Planned development to add 77 apartments, 15k s/f commercial space to cedar-lee

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 27, 2012

 

The City of Cleveland Heights has revived a plan to build a mixed-use building at the intersection of Meadowbrook and Lee roads in the Cedar-Lee District, and this time, the shovels actually may hit dirt.

 

The Orlean Company, which is already an active developer in Cleveland Heights, plans to build a four-story building that will include 77 market-rate rental apartments and nearly 15,000 square feet of commercial space. Orlean is the developer of the Kenilworth Mews and Bluestone developments in the city.

 

"This is a very urban development in a vibrant commercial district," says Stuart Friedman, a consultant with Orlean. "There's a lot of heavy lifting to go, but we think it will be an enduring asset of tremendous value for Cleveland Heights."

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/cedarleedevelopment092712.aspx

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Very nice! I hope this one finally comes to fruit. its just awful looking at that lot when down there. I still think this city is still in need of more modern market rate apartments

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This is the same project we have been discussing throughout this thread.  CH has some more modern condos, but I can't think of any modern market rate apartments.  It should fit help diversify the City's housing stock nicely

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Back from the dead, reincarnated......

Planned development to add 77 apartments, 15k s/f commercial space to cedar-lee

 

Never heard about this, such awesome news.  I really hope it gets built.

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This is the same project we have been discussing throughout this thread.  CH has some more modern condos, but I can't think of any modern market rate apartments.  It should fit help diversify the City's housing stock nicely

 

That former office building at Severance, right across Mayfield from Bluestone, that was converted not too long ago is being leased as apartments now. I think the sign out front said about 1500/mt

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^That conversion was not well done from what I heard.  I haven't been inside.  But this development at Lee-Meadowbrook is still unique in that it is a new build.

 

Never heard about this, such awesome news.  I really hope it gets built.

 

The one f'in time I get the scoop on a development and nobody pays attention  :whip:

 

1.  The residential building which was planned along with the garage at Cedar-Lee is finally seriously back on the table.  The one developer I spoke to who is looking into the City's invitation for bids thinks a mixed use building would be ideal, with retail/entertainment on ground level.  I am talking about this lot....

 

If I understand correctly, proposals for the Cedar-Lee lot between Tullamore and Meadowbrook are being submitted this weekend.  The one rendering I saw will make people on this board very happy...... built to street, mixed use (rental units above), balconies, penthouses, a few outdoor patios for the 1st floor tenants on each side of the building and the UO deal closer.... a skywalk to the parking garage :)

 

^This development is what I had been hinting at upthread, but wanted to wait until something was made more public.  The building will be something like the Avenue district, with upper-floor terraces and ground-floor patios.  The only other proposals submitted for the lot, as I understand, were for assisted/senior living because the developers wanted to get financial assistance from state/federal programs.  The City made the right choice.  The holdup was the negotiation over the tax abatement.

 

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Hts121, congrats on the scoop, love the new avatar and fix your quote at the bottom of your posts. There's a letter(s) missing at the start of it. Nice quote, BTW.

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The Board of Ed has approved the tax abatement on the Lee/Meadowbrook project.  Apparently, Fran Mench was unable to convince them that building a new, modern apartment building with central air and indoor plumbing was going to steal tenants away from the City's other rental properties.  Now it heads to City Council for their rubber stamp

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Hope it turns out well.  Fran Mench wasn't the only one protesting this project, but she did put together an interesting report of the large number of rental vacancies and housing foreclosures in the immediate area that left me with some doubts.  Let's hope that those rentals and foreclosures are only vacant because they aren't "new, modern" and lacked central air. 

 

If this project is successful, then it might be seen as a signal that CH needs to accelerate foreclosure demolitions so that more new, modern, and air-conditioned buildings can be built in their place.

 

While I can see a place for more modern housing in CH, I also would like to see more modern office space in CH to balance out all of the residential and provide a livelier daytime presence in that stretch of Lee Rd. 

 

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The market for modern apartments is not the market for older apartments.  The market for houses has nothing to do with either one.  Different people want different things.

 

I agree about the need for offices to balance things out more.

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This project includes offices.  It is as 'mixed-use' as they come.

 

I am 99% confident that this project can only have a positive impact on the vacancy rates in the surrounding neighborhood.  The competition for these units will be in UC and Downtown.  There really is no comparable rental building in CH.  It will appeal to a demographic which CH struggles to retain..... that being, the younger crowd which is not ready to buy, but wants modern amenities in their units.

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^Agree,,,I constantly here complaints from the "younger crowd" wanting to live in CH but not wanting to live in the majority older apartment stock (many people like it but it is not for everybody).  There is very little like this in Cleveland Heights and I cannot help but believe it will help the surrounding older buildings and maybe even encourage investment in them that was not previously contemplated.

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I agree with all the sentiments on this being a different product that CH does not have.  On the office discussion, while I know the developer is marketing the first floor space as mixed office, I met them and I got the feeling that while this is how they are advertising the project, they will lease to whomever they can get.  Don't be surprised if we see a national chain restaurant use here.  Not that they indicated this, but as we all know, chains like new product.  Think 5 guys, chipotle, menchies, starbucks all going to Cedar Center North. 

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^Agree,,,I constantly here complaints from the "younger crowd" wanting to live in CH but not wanting to live in the majority older apartment stock (many people like it but it is not for everybody).  There is very little like this in Cleveland Heights and I cannot help but believe it will help the surrounding older buildings and maybe even encourage investment in them that was not previously contemplated.

 

Indeed, especially in this area which has some wonderful old buildings, but has seen a great deal of dis-investment over the years. 

 

Cleveland Heights has to do whatever it needs to do to encourage reinvestment in these properties, as well as to bring different and new products to these neighborhoods.  This should help with the sense of decline in this area. 

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^^Hmm....I think a one or two "quality" chains are not a bad thing in an area that has established independents like Lee Rd. since it could bring in a different (and bigger) crowd that might also help other independents.  The trick is to get the mix right.  My bigger concern would be splitting a stagnant pie among more dining establishments.  More restaurants will require "more people" as some of the current places seem to be struggling as it is (never see anybody in that gyro place).

 

Starbucks?  We will see...they already failed in a great location right next to the theater.

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^^Hmm....I think a one or two "quality" chains are not a bad thing in an area that has established independents like Lee Rd. since it could bring in a different (and bigger) crowd that might also help other independents.  The trick is to get the mix right.  My bigger concern would be splitting a stagnant pie among more dining establishments.  More restaurants will require "more people" as some of the current places seem to be struggling as it is (never see anybody in that gyro place).

 

Starbucks?  We will see...they already failed in a great location right next to the theater.

 

Not suggesting Starbucks, just using them as an example of a national retailer that is moving into Cedar Center North.

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^^^I would argue that the perception of the Cedar-Lee area has actually improved over the past 20 years.  Perception of CH as a whole might have declined, and we can argue until the cows come home the reasons for that perception, but this particular neighborhood is somewhat different.  What was a McDonald's 20 years ago is the best Thai restaraunt in the Greater Cleveland area.  The pubs are as lively as ever.  There is a 24 hr CVS and a full service grocery store.  The library keeps getting better.  Whitmores is no more.  The HS's security has gotten tighter and the businesses on the strip aren't having the same trouble with students that they were in the late 80's / early 90's.

 

^I don't know about this development fitting the model of a chain restaraunt.... if for no other reason, there won't be dedicated parking for that restaraunt.  That's what makes Cedar Center North attractive to those businesses which have a model they try to fit no matter where the proposed location is.

 

^^Restaraunts struggle everywhere, anytime.  The failure rate for the restaraunt business is astounding.

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I love how the neighborhoodies are so defensive. 

 

Look I love this area and will support it no matter what.  But its hard for me to believe that you can seperate the perception of Cleveland Heights and this neighborhood.  The decling quality of the surrounding housing stock and buildings is why Ms. Mench thought she had such an easy argument (as far as data and numbers).  Once you lose your more stable demographic from a community and neighborhood, its extemely hard to get that back these zero growth siturations. 

 

Therefore you cant just ignore the corresponding effects of the shifting population.  Again this is why I STRESS the new and different product as well as the stabilization of the housing stock etc...    Otherwise why would you even be for the public subsidies for this project?

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I am not a 'neighborhoodie' (whatever that might mean).  I don't live in CH now and have never lived in the Cedar-Lee neighborhood.  If anyone constantly gets defensive, it's you with your constant 'shifting demographics' meme.  If you want to talk about cause and effect for whatever these shifts are that make you clutch your purse, I could argue that you need look no further than your own mirror.

 

I simply gave my opinion of the current state of Cedar-Lee, because I do frequent the neighborhood and I am well aware of where it was 20 years ago because I was there everyday back then.  Whatever utopia you think existed 20 years ago was not reality.  I wasn't being defensive at all.  That is honestly how I perceive it to be.

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Thats good and all, but a neighborhood district is ultimately only going to be as healthy as the community it resides in. 

Ive been doing this for far too long for you to try to (predictably) paint it differently.  You are surrounded by some of the greatest and starkest examples and history of community change and corresponding consequences anywhere, so Im just not sure what you could possibly be gaining by ignoring that (does it somehow make it not so?). 

 

We agree on the outcome yet you still want to argue about it...  Sounds defensive to me. 

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I'm just giving a different opinion, as usual, on your constantly repeated sentiment of the drastic decline of Cleveland Heights.  It almost seems like a reflex any and every time you make mention of the City.  Many people disagree with you and many people disagree with me.  That's why both of our perceptions are really nothing more than opinion, not fact.  People use different characteristics to judge decline.  I'm sure your career has led you to use certain formulas.  My life, especially when it comes to CH, has led me to use a different formula than you might have been taught.  Now can we get back to development?

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I actually think you may be mixing things I say up with someone else on the forum that you also seem to clash with.   

Im a huge fan of Cleveland Heights and frankly always thought it was under rated (and thought I indicated that in your great photo threads), and thus why I recently chose to purchase a property very near there due to the wonderful and historic charcteristics.  But also likely why Im so adamant about some of the decisions that are made there (since I also think that it has such wonderful potential to better capitalize on growth out of University Circle). 

 

Thus my perceptions are certainly based on fact and a lifetime of learning about the community as well as constant research and interviews (but I never try to push something that isnt also backed up by facts, because then it is just my opinion)  I think because its all so second nature for me at this point that I sometimes forget and assume everyone else has the same understanding.       

 

When people that choose to stay also choose to ignore and make excuses for certain things, then I think your only doing more harm than good.  Nobody ends up a winner in that case, no matter the size of the chip on their shoulder.     

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