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Except there is no shortage of parking at Edgewater with the lone exception maybe being the 4th of July.

 

The shoreway has on off ramps directly into the parking lot.  It is not difficult going from driving on the shoreway to parking in edgewater, it is exceedingly easy to do this.

 

As a matter of fact for almost everybody it is quicker and easier to drive to the shoreway and then park at edgewater than it is to walk or bike there...that is being partially  corrected with the new tunnels and the bike path, but the ease of driving into edgewater is unaffected.

 

K-Sonic, those are all valid points under present circumstances. I'm thinking of a bigger picture, and coming from the standpoint that Edgewater, in its current state, is grossly underutilized.

 

It should be the most attractive, most desirable space in the city. Yet, as in something out of bizarro-world, it continues to be a financial drain on the city and state.

 

I've had the luxury of living in some of the best coastal areas in America. Now, I live here, and Edgewater Park is my beach and Lake Erie my ocean. I can tell you that as much as I love the place, it is probably the most disappointing, neglected, trash-filled, uninspired beach in the U.S. 

 

The reality is, however, that with some good planning and selective development, all of those negatives could be erased.

 

With the shoreway project, any measures that make that stretch of highway a less hostile environment are a great first step. Making the street itself more amenable to cyclists and pedestrians  should be encouraged.

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It should be the most attractive, most desirable space in the city. Yet, as in something out of bizarro-world, it continues to be a financial drain on the city and state.

 

Edgewater Park is my beach and Lake Erie my ocean. I can tell you that as much as I love the place, it is probably the most disappointing, neglected, trash-filled, uninspired beach in the U.S. 

 

Ditto.  Getting off topic of the Shoreway now, but I would gladly pay some type of daily/monthly/seasonal user pass if it meant seeing the place cleaned up and maintained better

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Wow, whenever I go to Edgewater it seems very active to me, with a wide range of people.  And while it could be cleaner, it's nowhere near the filth-strewn wasteland people are making it out to be.

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Except there is no shortage of parking at Edgewater with the lone exception maybe being the 4th of July.

 

The shoreway has on off ramps directly into the parking lot.  It is not difficult going from driving on the shoreway to parking in edgewater, it is exceedingly easy to do this.

 

As a matter of fact for almost everybody it is quicker and easier to drive to the shoreway and then park at edgewater than it is to walk or bike there...that is being partially  corrected with the new tunnels and the bike path, but the ease of driving into edgewater is unaffected.

 

K-Sonic, those are all valid points under present circumstances. I'm thinking of a bigger picture, and coming from the standpoint that Edgewater, in its current state, is grossly underutilized.

 

It should be the most attractive, most desirable space in the city. Yet, as in something out of bizarro-world, it continues to be a financial drain on the city and state.

 

I've had the luxury of living in some of the best coastal areas in America. Now, I live here, and Edgewater Park is my beach and Lake Erie my ocean. I can tell you that as much as I love the place, it is probably the most disappointing, neglected, trash-filled, uninspired beach in the U.S. 

 

The reality is, however, that with some good planning and selective development, all of those negatives could be erased.

 

With the shoreway project, any measures that make that stretch of highway a less hostile environment are a great first step. Making the street itself more amenable to cyclists and pedestrians  should be encouraged.

 

i agree 100%.  making this beach what it can be would, imo, lead to increased demand for more waterfront development.  as it stands, it is really lacking.  this place should be a jewel.  it is certainly "ok" in many respects, but having visited and lived on beaches around the world, a few in colder climates, this beach and park has a long way to go.

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Yeah-- I don't think that there has ever been any notion that Edgewater park would be "developed" in any significant manner as part of the Shoreway Boulevard project.  Now that the "boulevard" part is pretty much out of the picture (at least in the short/mid term), any thought of development along this stretch of road is simply wishful thinking.

 

It will simply be a simply slightly nicer looking stretch with bettter access for cars, pedestrians, and bikes with some trail thrown in. That's it.

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Re: motorized traffic in the greater Battery Park neighborhood (~W78 to ~W65) and the termination of Father Caruso at W73, Councilman Matt Zone informed me that Father Frascati, which currently terminates at W73 will be extended to W70 upon construction of the W73rd underpass.

Well now, that's the best of both worlds for us 69th and Father Caruso-ites.  :)

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One example of the State of Ohio's disregard for the maintenance of Edgewater Park is illustrated by this:  Large tree limbs fell this Spring, but instead of removing them the "landscaping" crew just mows around them.  I wonder if these limbs will be left for as many years as the huge pile of debris at the bottom of the hill.  Last year I pulled tall weeds growing around tree trunks the crew let grow the whole season.  A little care shouldn't cost that much.

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One example of the State of Ohio's disregard for the maintenance of Edgewater Park is illustrated by this:  Large tree limbs fell this Spring, but instead of removing them the "landscaping" crew just mows around them.  I wonder if these limbs will be left for as many years as the huge pile of debris at the bottom of the hill.  Last year I pulled tall weeds growing around tree trunks the crew let grow the whole season.  A little care shouldn't cost that much.

 

This is horrible.  Have you reported it to park authorities?

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You know what, instead of muttering to myself everytime I pass the park, I will look up their number & call Monday morning.  BTW, this is only the tip of my rant.

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I was out at Edgewater on Saturday morning with the Friends of Edgewater and the Sierra Club for a beach cleanup. There was a good 60-70 people out there cleaning litter off the beach and it looked superb when I left. BTW, I have made contact with person who runs Edgewater Beach, I was petitioning that they more regularly comb the beach to clear drift wood and litter, his response was that there is nothing they can do, they share one comber with 4 beaches in the area and they're short handed.

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I was out at Edgewater on Saturday morning with the Friends of Edgewater and the Sierra Club for a beach cleanup. There was a good 60-70 people out there cleaning litter off the beach and it looked superb when I left. BTW, I have made contact with person who runs Edgewater Beach, I was petitioning that they more regularly comb the beach to clear drift wood and litter, his response was that there is nothing they can do, they share one comber with 4 beaches in the area and they're short handed.

 

Not to go off on a SB-5 political tangent here...but this is one thing I hate about the union mentality of some of our government employees.  They have guys who cut grass.  That is their job description.  If they come upon a downed limb they go around it.  Because that's what they do.  There is no picking up or moving limbs in their job description (let alone reporting them).  Grrrrrr....

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I've never worked in a union business, but I have worked in lots of places where workers knew more about what wasn't their job than what was.

 

Moving on......


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We were at Edgewater during Memorial Day weekend ; we usually visit Edgewater everytime we visit Cleveland. Anyway, the park and the beach were packed, but I found the beach to be really dirty. Each time I go there, the beach always seems to be be less than stellar, but this time, the sand was loaded with sticks, twigs, and even a few bits of glass. The water was also nasty, with a lot of debris and trash floating in the edge of the water. I noticed there were a lot of people on the sand, but not many people in the water. Edgewater Park provides some really nice views of the Cleveland skyline, but the beach certainly needs to be cleaned up.

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Not to go off on a SB-5 political tangent here...but this is one thing I hate about the union mentality of some of our government employees.  They have guys who cut grass.  That is their job description.  If they come upon a downed limb they go around it.  Because that's what they do.  There is no picking up or moving limbs in their job description (let alone reporting them).  Grrrrrr....

 

What does this have to do with whether you're in a union or not?  People pull this crap in any company big enough where you can pass the buck to someone else.  I see it all the time at the company I work for, which employs over 20,000 non-union employees.

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We were at Edgewater during Memorial Day weekend ; we usually visit Edgewater everytime we visit Cleveland. Anyway, the park and the beach were packed, but I found the beach to be really dirty. Each time I go there, the beach always seems to be be less than stellar, but this time, the sand was loaded with sticks, twigs, and even a few bits of glass. The water was also nasty, with a lot of debris and trash floating in the edge of the water. I noticed there were a lot of people on the sand, but not many people in the water. Edgewater Park provides some really nice views of the Cleveland skyline, but the beach certainly needs to be cleaned up.

 

Yes it does need to be cleaned up, petition the people who run the park. The friends of Edgewater and the Sierra Club were out on the Beach Saturday cleaning the beach up and it looked great, but unfortunately people litter and it gets dirty again. What that beach really needs is a comber to clean up litter/drift wood on a regular basis. Right now the beach only gets combed a measly 4 times a year.

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^ Good luck on that... Maybe it needs a higher ratio of people willing to volunteer to clean it up.  :wink:

 

It could use both I suppose.  But from my experience, there's a much higher ratio of pigs to non-pigs at Edgewater than many other beaches I have been to.

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^ Good luck on that... Maybe it needs a higher ratio of people willing to volunteer to clean it up.  :wink:

 

It could use both I suppose.  But from my experience, there's a much higher ratio of pigs to non-pigs at Edgewater than many other beaches I have been to.

 

Funny way to put it, but from my few experiences there, I would have to agree.

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Is there a volunteer group to clean-up and when do they meet?  I am interested.  I will be spending more time in this area and would love to have this be a green space that rivals other cities urban beaches.

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interesting article today on Judge Russo pushing to make Edgewater part of the Cleveland Metroparks system...

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/06/probate_judge_anthony_russo_us.html

 

I personally don't care who runs it, as long as it gets better attention than what it's getting now

 

Makes sense that Edgewater would go to the Metroparks at the same time as Wendy Park at Whiskey goes.

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Not to go off on a SB-5 political tangent here...but this is one thing I hate about the union mentality of some of our government employees.  They have guys who cut grass.  That is their job description.  If they come upon a downed limb they go around it.  Because that's what they do.  There is no picking up or moving limbs in their job description (let alone reporting them).  Grrrrrr....

 

What does this have to do with whether you're in a union or not?  People pull this crap in any company big enough where you can pass the buck to someone else.  I see it all the time at the company I work for, which employs over 20,000 non-union employees.

 

If the landscaping was privatized at Edgewater with a single supervisor from the state to make sure the work was done properly and timely, it wouldn't be an issue.  If the work was done crappy, get a new company next year or withhold payment till it's done properly.  Instead we're stuck with state workers who know their job is secure forever regardless....

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Not to go off on a SB-5 political tangent here...but this is one thing I hate about the union mentality of some of our government employees.  They have guys who cut grass.  That is their job description.  If they come upon a downed limb they go around it.  Because that's what they do.  There is no picking up or moving limbs in their job description (let alone reporting them).  Grrrrrr....

 

What does this have to do with whether you're in a union or not?  People pull this crap in any company big enough where you can pass the buck to someone else.  I see it all the time at the company I work for, which employs over 20,000 non-union employees.

 

If the landscaping was privatized at Edgewater with a single supervisor from the state to make sure the work was done properly and timely, it wouldn't be an issue.  If the work was done crappy, get a new company next year or withhold payment till it's done properly.  Instead we're stuck with state workers who know their job is secure forever regardless....

 

Sure, but then that company would probably get a bulk contract to do other parks, and then the supervisor would be overseeing a ton of workers, just as he is now, and then you'd have the same problems, just now with a private company.

 

The problem is more a lack of oversight, which comes with any organization too large (public or private) to properly manage itself.  Hey, I'm for smaller businesses, too!  I believe I've posted my preference before: (1) small businesses, (2) government, (3) large corporations.

 

But anyway, this is off topic.

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As for people not being in the water on memorial day weekend. I believe the lake was below 60 degrees.

 

The state seems to not maintain it as well as their other parks, the agreement between the city and the state has to play into it.

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Is there a volunteer group to clean-up and when do they meet?  I am interested.  I will be spending more time in this area and would love to have this be a green space that rivals other cities urban beaches.

 

I've been trying to share my "Clean Up Cleveland" idea with ParkWorks where bars or other organizations would sponsor clean up events at areas like Edgewater Park. I'm meeting with them this week. Feel free to message me if interested in volunteering or if you have any other thoughts!

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I would love to be the park police that would be allowed to go around shouting at people as they drop their litter. "Hey! Pick up your fookin trash! There's a barrel right there!" I would TOTALLY do that.

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I would love to be the park police that would be allowed to go around shouting at people as they drop their litter. "Hey! Pick up your fookin trash! There's a barrel right there!" I would TOTALLY do that.

 

I like that idea.  I also think it'd be funny to yell "fookin" out loud.

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I would love to be the park police that would be allowed to go around tazering shouting at people as they drop their litter. "Hey! Pick up your fookin trash! There's a barrel right there!" I would TOTALLY do that.

 

Fixed that for you. Just Kidding. Sort of...

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I had to look hard for your correction. Use the strikethrough font next time so I don't have to look for "tazering" :)


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Fixed it KJP. Sorry I was at lunch and using the forum through Tap A Talk, which I am still getting used to. Does anybody here know the terms of the agreement between the State and the city? Is the city still responsible for Capital budget dollars? Or does that all fall on the state?

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I'm not sure what the agreement says, but I'd be surprised if Cleveland has any role. My understanding was that Edgewater became a full state park when Cleveland turned it over to them in the 1970s.


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To make a comment about the trash at Edgewater ...

 

A good chunk of the trash is unfortunately junk that washes up on shore. There are countless tampon applicators strewn about the beach, bottles, and tons of other plastic junk that ends up down people's toilets or fall into sewers after heavy rains from almost any location from Detroit to Buffalo. This trash is not pretty, but it's obvious it didn't originate from beach goers by its weathered nature.

 

Unfortunately, because of this, Edgewater Park is heavily affected by a sort of broken windows theory. All of this trash that ends up in sewers that isn't biodegradeable washes up along the shore, and because of Edgewater's geographical/hyrdological position, almost any wind direction from 270 to 45 degrees will funnel this trash to the shore. When a person goes to a pristine beach they are more likely to put their picnic items in a proper receptacle or run and grab a piece of trash that blows away from their towel. But at Edgewater, because the beach has so much trash that washes to shore everyday people don't bother to pick up their own litter because, "hey, the beach is already trashed, what's another plastic bag or pop bottle?" Of course this only exacerbates the situation.

 

Next time you are at Edgewater, take a moment to look at each piece of trash along the shore, it definitely makes you realize how terrible plastic is on our ecosystem...

 

 

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And to follow up some very good points made by WestBLVD....

 

SAT JUNE 18th Beach Cleanup at Wendy Park. 10am to 12pm.

 

Everyone is welcome to help out. Bring gloves if you like, trash bags will be provided. Please spread the word.

 

Thanks,

Scott

 

Sponsored by the Surfrider Foundation in celebration of International Surfing Day.

"Our mission is the protection and enjoyment of oceans, waves and beaches through a powerful activist network"

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Thanks for posting that Scott, unfortunately I will be out of town that weekend.

 

Baltimore's Inner Harbor is often brought up  as a successful waterfront revitalization when the Cleveland Lakefront development is discussed.They have the same problem with all of the trash being dumped into the harbor via the storm sewers. They have gone as far as to put nets across the small tributaries and to use trash barges such as the one below, and floating booms to collect the floating trash. Basically its a barge with a conveyor that collects anything floating. Not that it could be used at Edgewater specifically  but I just thought I would bring it up as a way other cities are combating the problem.

 

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It's a shame that we've had so much rain this past week with the hot weather. Edgewater beach just hasn't been safe because of all the contaminant run-off (Chicago's beaches are facing the same problems with the heavy rains). For example the E Coli levels earlier in the week were 5,200 cfu/100 ml, a safe level is generally below 100.

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I was at Edgewater Beach last Thursday and watched as the crews removed large branches and debris from the water and beach.  Then on Friday I went swimming along with lots of other people and had a great time.  On Sunday, back with my guy. We cooked out.  The water quality was listed as poor so we didn't go in the water. There were lots of swimmers unterred by the Nowcast though enjoying themselves in the water.

The park was filled with a group of drummers, people playing chess, women doing some advanced hula hoop moves, families picknicking, walkers, runners, people fishing.

 

We saw the most spectacular sunset on Sunday.

 

As far as park clean up go. Taxes pay for park maintenance. You get what you pay for. All the anti tax people don't realize they can't have it both ways.  I'd rather everyone paid their fair share of taxes and we have excellent public services including beaches.

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^ Taxes do pay for the work done at the park, but I believe that Edgewater is operated by the State, not the City. Also, if you love the beach/park and love seeing it clean I would invite you to join Friends of Edgewater on Facebook and get involved in the monthly cleanups!

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