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Maybe there is less connection between the concepts listed in those two sections than the author assumed.  Observationally, Ohio seems to be drawing a lot of working class people from the Pittsburgh area.  That'll shift some numbers.  But Pittsburgh still does well with people who have more prospects and more choices, which is reflected in its national reputation.  We can see this trend in voting patterns as well, as Ohio becomes more red and PA more blue. 

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The dynamics and changes are more complex than the author cares to get into unfortunately. When it comes to migration and population change, it's a slow go. Negative natural change still is hurting the region - a legacy from the 80s.

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The Marcellus and Utica shale play work has tailed off immensely in the past year.  I was in South Point (just south of Pittsburgh) almost once a week up until about 18 months ago.  It was booming there then.  Now it's a fraction of what it was.  The most recent DUG east conference I went to this summer was a joke compared to what it was 3 and 4 years ago.  It was the place to be.  Attendance was very poor this year, as were presenters.  I truly believe that all the employment coming from that work was helping to shed a very positive light on the city. 

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There's some truth to that, but a lot of the workers were temp from out of state - Texas etc and didn't "live" there. When I would visit family in nearby Ohio, I would see many out of state plates (from out west) and they were working in that industry.

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Let's see if Stark will build first in downtown Pittsburgh or Cleveland.  Hopefully Beacon/515 will break ground soon, so the answer would be the latter.

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There are a bunch of new interesting development updates for Pittsburgh since I last posted

 

"Stark expects to begin work on the redevelopment in the first quarter of 2018. It is planning about 160,000 square feet of office space on the upper floors and 60,000 square feet of retail on the first two floors of the building, which takes up an entire block between Fifth and Forbes avenues."

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2017/08/21/Stark-Enterprises-Frank-Seder-department-store-Smithfield-Street-Downtown-Pittsburgh-redevelopment/stories/201708210014

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Luxury condos proposed at site of Downtown parking garage

 

A worn-out parking garage built the same year the Hula Hoop was introduced could usher in the latest wave of redevelopment in Downtown Pittsburgh.

 

The Davis Companies of Boston is proposing a $175 million mixed-use development at the site at Ninth Street and Penn Avenue that would include up to 185 high-end condominiums, 30,000 square feet of street-level retail, and a new 935-space garage.

 

With 185 units, the proposed condominium project would be one of the largest ever built Downtown.

 

The luxury condos would be housed in two towers, one 20 stories high and one 15.

 

 

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http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2017/07/20/Downtown-Pittsburgh-development-luxury-condos-parking-garage-The-Davis-Companies/stories/201707200143

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Terminal Bldg converting to The Highline with bike trails and green space

 

McKnight Realty Partners has purchased the historic and massive Terminal building with plans to develop the site as “The Highline,” one of the largest riverfront development projects in Pittsburgh’s modern history.  Currently known as River Walk Corporate Centre and located at 333 East Carson Street on the South Side, the building has nearly one million square feet of office and warehouse space.

 

The name of the new development comes from the conversion of the existing roadway that transects the upper floors of the building, the former railroad spur, into a public green space concept similar to the High Line in New York City.

 

The Highline will contain 500,000 square feet of creative office space, 100,000 square feet of supporting retail and over an acre of public riverfront green space. Public space along the river will be used for events like farmer’s markets and concerts. In addition, there are plans to connect the riverfront trail and add 650 parking spaces.

 

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http://www.nextpittsburgh.com/city-design/terminal-development/

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Developer eyes legacy with $40 million project in Squirrel Hill

 

... a $40 million project that would feature 125 market-rate apartments, including 52 one-bedroom and 44 studio units, 13,300 square feet of retail, and about 130 parking spaces over roughly three floors.

 

Among the amenities will be a rooftop gym and garden space.

 

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http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2017/07/24/Herky-Pollock-CBRE-pittsburgh-Squirrel-Hill-mixed-use-development-Murray-Forward/stories/201707240018

 

New 10-story, luxury hotel in Oakland set to open in 2018

 

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Developers unveiled more details Monday about a 10-story luxury hotel taking shape in the heart of Oakland that will include a rooftop lobby, lounge, restaurant and outdoor terrace designed to take advantage of sweeping views of the neighborhood’s historic landmarks.

 

To be called The Oaklander Hotel, the 167-room property is being built on land owned by and adjacent to the Pittsburgh Athletic Association, a project that managers of the iconic social club on Fifth Avenue have said is key to its long-term survival.

 

Scheduled to open in the fall of 2018, the hotel will be one of the Marriott brand’s “Autograph Collection” properties, a portfolio of one-of-a-kind hotels that includes The Algonquin in New York City, The Cosmopolitan on the Vegas Strip and The Mayflower in Washington, D.C.

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2017/02/21/The-Oaklander-Pittsburgh-New-luxury-hotel-in-Oakland-set-to-open-in-2018/stories/201702210043

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Sustainability, innovation key to developer's plans for former Hazelwood LTV site

 

...Regional Industrial Development Corp. has already has begun laying the groundwork to turn the hulking behemoth the size of five football fields into a centerpiece for innovation and sustainability on the city’s last remaining brownfield.

 

Within the next week or so, RIDC plans to award a contract to begin the remediation of the site — the next step in plans to house three buildings geared toward technology and research within the superstructure of the old mill.

 

As part of the vision relayed to Gov. Wolf on Monday during a tour of the site, RIDC plans to install solar panels on the roof of Mill 19 — enough to generate all of the electricity for two of the three buildings.

 

All stormwater will stay on site, and big old cranes used in the mill’s heyday will remain — as observation decks as part of the new development’s many amenities.

 

The goal, said Don Smith, RIDC president, is to “create an experience for the user unlike anything else in the commonwealth.”

 

“We think it’s going to be the coolest building in Pittsburgh,” he said.

 

RIDC officials hope to have the $40 million first phase, a 95,000-square-foot building, completed in early 2019.

 

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http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2017/08/07/Sustainability-innovation-key-developer-s-plans-for-former-LTV-site/stories/201708070131

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Awesome stuff. I especially like the passenger train shown on the CSX freight tracks past the Terminal Building (one of my faves!), something that CSX will likely never allow...

 

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Interesting... Pittsburgh's obviously on a roll much like its football rival, Cleveland... That 9th & Penn St. condo project mirrors nuCLEus architecturally, though it's not as tall or audacious. 

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wow, now that is how you make use of an old steel plant!

 

it might turn out to be the coolest building anywhere, not just in pitts.

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It seems like Pittsburgh is kicking all of the Ohio cities asses in terms of urban development. The intensity of development in their Uptown area (Oakland, Shadyside, Squirrel Hill, East Liberty) is really astounding. The only area in Ohio that is seeing development even close to that level is perhaps the Short North.

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It seems like Pittsburgh is kicking all of the Ohio cities asses in terms of urban development. The intensity of development in their Uptown area (Oakland, Shadyside, Squirrel Hill, East Liberty) is really astounding. The only area in Ohio that is seeing development even close to that level is perhaps the Short North.

 

University District/Short North/Italian Village in Columbus can certainly equal, if not surpass, what is going on in Uptown Pittsburgh.  Almost every inch of Columbus is doing urban development (even between highway off-ramps *cough* White Castle HQ *cough* Grand Central *cough*) while Pittsburgh is more concentrated in Uptown and Downtown/Strip/North Shore.  I don't see Allentown, Manchester, nor even the Southside doing much lately versus even crazy American Addition (a neighborhood most of you haven't heard of) in Columbus is building up yuppie boxes.  Pittsburgh is doing some fantastic stuff, but overall (old) Columbus is building urban development (Downtown, Franklinton, Victorian Village, 5xNW, etc) at an exponential rate.


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Or University Circle.

 

I don't think so. There's some good stuff happening in UC, but nothing approaching the level of Uptown PGH or Short North. I'd say University Circle has probably seen about the same level of investment as Uptown Cincinnati, which is certainly impressive in its own right.

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Or University Circle.

 

I don't think so. There's some good stuff happening in UC, but nothing approaching the level of Uptown PGH or Short North. I'd say University Circle has probably seen about the same level of investment as Uptown Cincinnati, which is certainly impressive in its own right.

 

Oh no, here we go again.  Get the measuring sticks out..

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Or University Circle.

 

I don't think so. There's some good stuff happening in UC, but nothing approaching the level of Uptown PGH or Short North. I'd say University Circle has probably seen about the same level of investment as Uptown Cincinnati, which is certainly impressive in its own right.

 

When you cite Pittsburgh's 'Uptown area' you mentioned Shadyside, Oakland, Squirrel Hill and East Liberty.  But those are 4 distinct Pittsburgh neighborhoods, of which the closest comparison to University Circle is Oakland and although Oakland has traditionally had greater density and retail the U. Circle, the Circle has really been closing the gap with the emergence of Uptown, Centric, the Marriott Courtyard and all the new townhouse development along E. 118, Little Italy, etc... So if you consider all the development in Cleveland's hottest neighborhoods along with Univ Circle, including Ohio City/Hingetown (tons of townhouses and new retail/restaurants), Detroit-Shoreway (Batter Park, Edison, Waverly Station, etc), Tremont (and up-and-coming Duck Island in between), you could argue it's 6 in one hand, half dozen in the other... This, plus all the development in downtown Cleveland, including the Flats, you'd be hard-pressed to argue that Pittsburgh is 'kicking Cleveland's ass in any way.

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It seems like Pittsburgh is kicking all of the Ohio cities asses in terms of urban development. The intensity of development in their Uptown area (Oakland, Shadyside, Squirrel Hill, East Liberty) is really astounding. The only area in Ohio that is seeing development even close to that level is perhaps the Short North.

 

Our little sub region here of the 3-C's, Pittsburgh and Indy is doing quite well for itself as a whole.  A ton of exciting things proposed and under construction in all of those places.

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Or University Circle.

 

I don't think so. There's some good stuff happening in UC, but nothing approaching the level of Uptown PGH or Short North. I'd say University Circle has probably seen about the same level of investment as Uptown Cincinnati, which is certainly impressive in its own right.

 

When you cite Pittsburgh's 'Uptown area' you mentioned Shadyside, Oakland, Squirrel Hill and East Liberty.  But those are 4 distinct Pittsburgh neighborhoods, of which the closest comparison to University Circle is Oakland and although Oakland has traditionally had greater density and retail the U. Circle, the Circle has really been closing the gap with the emergence of Uptown, Centric, the Marriott Courtyard and all the new townhouse development along E. 118, Little Italy, etc... So if you consider all the development in Cleveland's hottest neighborhoods along with Univ Circle, including Ohio City/Hingetown (tons of townhouses and new retail/restaurants), Detroit-Shoreway (Batter Park, Edison, Waverly Station, etc), Tremont (and up-and-coming Duck Island in between), you could argue it's 6 in one hand, half dozen in the other... This, plus all the development in downtown Cleveland, including the Flats, you'd be hard-pressed to argue that Pittsburgh is 'kicking Cleveland's a$$ in any way.

 

The Browns had to have a good draft at some point.  Looks like they just did.  There's still a wide gulf between them and the Steelers, a gulf which has persisted now for decades, but at least we have reason for hope.  Maybe the Browns are finally starting to emulate successful teams, instead of trying to justify ridiculous decisions that no one else would make.  There's really no end to this metaphor. 

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Just to clarify, Uptown is actually a neighborhood in Pittsburgh adjacent to downtown that includes Duquesne University and the Penguins arena, there is a decent amount of apartment/housing development happening there at the moment but the neighborhood itself still has a ways to go.

 

When you cite Pittsburgh's 'Uptown area' you mentioned Shadyside, Oakland, Squirrel Hill and East Liberty.  But those are 4 distinct Pittsburgh neighborhoods, of which the closest comparison to University Circle is Oakland...

 

This is correct and the larger region that those neighborhoods and many others are lumped into is usually referred to as the East End. The East end is huge and contains over 40% of the population of the city.

 

 

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I don't see Allentown, Manchester, nor even the Southside doing much lately versus even crazy American Addition (a neighborhood most of you haven't heard of) in Columbus is building up yuppie boxes.

 

There are actually a few major projects on the board for the Southside as well that tend to get overshadowed by more booming areas at the moment: Forest City Apartment Development/Station Sq. over 300 apartments in the 1st phase has been approved, the terminal building highline project is actually in the Southside, also another 300+ unit apartment is going in near the riverfront park on Wharton st:

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2016/11/17/New-apartment-project-takes-building-boom-to-South-Side/stories/201611170123.

 

4 office buildings are currently still in the proposal phase for the Southside Works as well. The Southside also probably has the most infill housing projects going on right now in the city.

 

 

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Interesting.  I've been coming to Pittsburgh for decades and recently noticed more vacancies along Carson Street as opposed to, say, 4 years ago.  I'm hoping that isn't a trend and that new infill and office developments keep the Flats stable.


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I think there are several converging issues that are creating the additional storefront vacancies in the Southside. One factor is that there now are several other neighborhoods that have established nightlife districts and are consistently siphoning away patrons from the bars and clubs on Carson st. Also, the neighborhood has matured to the point where it is transitioning more from the nightlife aspect that has dominated it for the past decade which causing a lot of business turnover.

 

Finally, and the biggest contributor to the problem IMO is that the local political leadership in the neighborhood is almost completely useless. They tried instituting ridiculous permit parking regulations in an attempt to fix the free-for-all parking situation that tends to happen on weekend nights due to the popular nightlife. Unfortunately their "solution" has instead had the effect of preventing employees/customers of daytime businesses from parking conveniently and has not targeted the late night crowd as it was supposedly intended to do. This is sadly causing many daytime businesses to close and move outside of the neighborhood to avoid the problems it has created for their businesses.

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I supposed it was too popular for its own good!  It's still easily one of the best nightlife streets in the nation.


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Peduto gave a nice shout out to Cleveland and Detroit as well. He definitely seems to get the significance of what is happening in Pittsburgh for the rest of the Rust Belt.

 

As Pittsburgh succeeds, Cleveland and Detroit's prospects for new investment and growth will also improve. If Pittsburgh stumbles in its turnaround, however, the prospects and outlook for the entire region will be that much less hopeful.

 

 

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The Cle-Pitt relationships is more competitive rather than parasitic. The steel industries have existed basically for hundreds of years, and there's more than likely a competition to see who can keep their industries the strongest. Since Cle-Pitt have basically the same industries carried through rust-belt history, there is no need for eachother's imports or exports excluding things outside steel. Simply if Pittsburgh disappeared, Cleveland would just have more steel, and more of the rust belt history. Same goes with the other end.

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Unpopular take:

 

It's the mix of Conservatives and Liberals in the Pittsburgh city government that allows the city to do well.

 

I believe this is true for every level of government.  It's always good to have a healthy mix of philosophies.  Pittsburgh is also helped by the presence of CM and Pitt. 

 

On a related note, I was in Pittsburgh this weekend just for a day.  I never really spent very much time there.  A lot of good stuff going on but yet there is still a rust belt vibe.  It does appear that they are still struggling in some areas. 

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The neighborhoods in Pittsburgh that are doing well are doing really well. Oakland, Squirrel Hill, Mexican War Streets, East Liberty and Shadyside are all very impressive, vibrant neighborhoods. So is South Side Flats, but it's got a very gritty vibe that you don't find in most "recently gentrified" neighborhoods these days. Other neighborhoods, like the Hill District, are still completely bombed out, and other areas like Troy Hill and South Side Slopes, while relatively "stable", still have a noticeable ramshackle feel to them given the overall cheapness of the housing styles there and the impossibly narrow streets that seem to have been strewn all over the place with no rhyme or reason. And then you have some outer suburbs, like West Mifflin that are just downright scary. It's definitely in an interesting state of flux right now.


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I was there this weekend as well. My wife is from there. Great things going on in East Liberty, Lawrence and a few other neighborhoods, but take a drive through Wilkinsburg, Rankin, Braddock or any of those communities along the river and you'll see a lot of poverty. Having the mills outside of the city makes a world of difference.

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I was mostly Downtown which seemed nice and on the north side which had an industrial/ isolated feel.  We walked through there on the way to the Warhol Museum.  The Strip District was pretty cool as was the Smallman Galley.  The walkability near the convention center and  I579 around Bedford Ave could use some improvement.  Downtown's narrow street and compact development have a very cool feel though.

 

Overall I think there are things that Cleveland can learn from Pitt and vice versa.

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