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18 hours ago, Gordon Bombay said:

Flew in and out of CVG last week. My girlfriend and I always argue whether or not to wait for the train and to be fair at CVG, walking is pretty comparable. I've always loved the train since I was a kid, though, and after flying in from Tampa I made us do it to complete a day of riding people movers (Tampa has a ton). 

It got me thinking, though, I remember once reading that Delta/Comair had considered extending the train to the former Concourse C, but opted to use buses instead. Since the train uses Otis' "HovAir" technology and is pulled by cables in a direct line, how would it have made the right turn over to Concourse C? Would they have had to build a new train system?

 

Anyone have any insight? 

Also, I only used ComAir when I was pretty young. Does anyone remember where the buses boarded?

 

I loved having the train and shuttle buses at CVG, when people asked, why not just run a bus? you could say "at the airport, would you rather take the train to Concourse B or the Shuttle Bust connection to Concourse C?" and every time they went, "oh yeah"

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19 hours ago, Gordon Bombay said:

Flew in and out of CVG last week. My girlfriend and I always argue whether or not to wait for the train and to be fair at CVG, walking is pretty comparable. I've always loved the train since I was a kid, though, and after flying in from Tampa I made us do it to complete a day of riding people movers (Tampa has a ton). 

It got me thinking, though, I remember once reading that Delta/Comair had considered extending the train to the former Concourse C, but opted to use buses instead. Since the train uses Otis' "HovAir" technology and is pulled by cables in a direct line, how would it have made the right turn over to Concourse C? Would they have had to build a new train system?

 

Anyone have any insight? 

Also, I only used ComAir when I was pretty young. Does anyone remember where the buses boarded?

The buses boarded in a entrance near the escalators where customs exits out into concourse B, there is also a small set of escalators by the Sky Club. The plan to extend to C never would have happened, because there was plans to build another terminal and satellite concourse D where terminal 2 use to be located. There would have been a tunnel connecting the new terminal through D to C. This was all done before the bankruptcy and merger. 

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On 1/6/2019 at 3:38 PM, Gordon Bombay said:


It got me thinking, though, I remember once reading that Delta/Comair had considered extending the train to the former Concourse C, but opted to use buses instead. Since the train uses Otis' "HovAir" technology and is pulled by cables in a direct line, how would it have made the right turn over to Concourse C? Would they have had to build a new train system?

 

Anyone have any insight? 

Also, I only used ComAir when I was pretty young. Does anyone remember where the buses boarded?

 

There were tunnels that ran from Concourse B to Concourse C but they were far smaller than the Terminal to A and B tunnel and could never be used for trains.  Also, that tunnel has the bag-belt system below, which runs all the way to B.  

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The tram at the Getty Center in Los Angeles is also a HovAir and it makes a number of curves, but it has a slightly different track design, with the cables running alongside the tram instead of down the center of the track. 


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On 1/7/2019 at 6:10 PM, richNcincy said:

 

There were tunnels that ran from Concourse B to Concourse C but they were far smaller than the Terminal to A and B tunnel and could never be used for trains.  Also, that tunnel has the bag-belt system below, which runs all the way to B.  

 

Did these tunnels remain after Concourse C was demolished?

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Speaking of Concourse C, what would be the passenger threshold that would need to be met in order for CVG to consider adding terminal capacity?

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CVG gets new nonstop flight

 

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Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport will get new, nonstop service to an East Coast vacation market via Allegiant Air.

 

Starting June 7, passengers can fly nonstop to Norfolk, Va., which will allow access to Virginia Beach, beaches on the Delaware peninsula and Colonial Willamsburg. Norfolk International Airport also is about a two-hour drive from North Carolina’s Outer Banks.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/01/15/cvg-gets-new-nonstop-flight.html


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As CVG traffic increases by 14 percent, Frontier cuts back

 

Frontier Airlines, which helped spark the growth at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport when it introduced a nonstop flight to Denver in 2013, is cutting back on the frequency of its service this winter.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/01/23/as-cvg-traffic-increases-by-14-percent-frontier.html


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CVG plans $1 million general aviation facility

 

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The board that runs Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport approved a plan on Tuesday to build a $1 million center for private aircraft.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/01/23/cvg-plans-1-million-general-aviation-facility.html


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CVG passenger numbers came in at roughly 8.9 million and cargo tonnage at 1.2 million for 2018. That represents growth of 13.9% and 19.6% respectively. 

 

Those are the highest passenger numbers since 2010 and the largest cargo totals ever.

 

Overall great news for CVG as we head into 2019.

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CVG launches mobile workspaces for travelers

 

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Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport has added a service for busy business travelers designed to increase their productivity.

 

CVG officials on Monday announced the launch of Jabbrrbox workplace solutions, which are private, windowed booths that offer access to Wi-Fi, USB charging and audio speakers for travelers without access to executive airport lounges.

 

Two Jabbrrbox units are located in Concourse B – home to Delta and American airlines – and can be rented in 15-minute increments.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/04/cvg-launches-mobile-workspaces-for-travelers.html


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As airfares fall, CVG on the cusp of being cheapest airport in Midwest

 

Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport is just a few dollars away from having the lowest average airfare of any major airport in the Midwest, according to new federal data.

 

The latest rankings of the top 100 airports in the U.S. based on passenger volume show that CVG is the 20th-cheapest airport to fly from, with an average fare of $309.77. That’s for the third quarter of 2018.

 

Nineteenth-ranked Chicago Midway Airport has an average fare of $305.77, according to the data.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/22/as-airfares-fall-cvg-on-the-cusp-of-being-cheapest.html

 

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Moerlein debuts CVG location, travel-inspired beer

 

Christian Moerlein Brewing Co.’s newest taproom is now open at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport.

 

The Christian Moerlein Malt House Taproom will be operated by HMSHost in Concourse A near gate A15.

 

The more-than-1,6000-square-foot restaurant will serve Moerlein beer along with dishes inspired by its signature dishes including cheese boards, salads, burgers and other entrees. Breakfast options will also be available for morning travelers.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/27/moerlein-debuts-cvg-location-travel-inspired-beer.html

 

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There's a reason why Amazon went with CVG as a hub and why Las Vegas is not a major cargo hub. The logistics companies figured this out a long time ago. You need a centrally located airport to reduce travel times on either end of a trip. Almost all cargo hubs operate as scissor hubs which is more uncommon in passenger hubs. 

 

Additionally, CVG was already a DHL hub and Atlas Air bases a large number of their planes at the airport. And finally, CVG with 4 runways and triple simultaneous takeoff and landing capability offers a uniquely efficient and underutilized hub location. 

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It sounds like they were proposing some sort of scheme where the hub would remain at CVG but the pilots would be Las Vegas-based on paper in order to avoid paying income tax.

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See where CVG ranks when it comes to flight cancellations

 

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Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport ranks among bottom third of U.S. airports when it comes to flight cancellations.

 

CVG ranks No. 24 among the 75 busiest airports in percentage of flights cancelled in 2018, according to a new report from InsureMyTrip, a travel insurance comparison website.

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Rankings of other regional cities were Cleveland (No. 20), Columbus (No. 21), Louisville (No. 23) and Indianapolis (No. 30).

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/03/25/see-where-cvg-ranks-when-it-comes-to-flight.html


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I may be behind but that's the first rendering I've seen of the new rental car facility. Are there any other renderings, especially interior, out there? It looks like it should be nice and is more in line with what other airports are doing. I like that our rental facility will be directly attached, unlike my most recent trips to Phoenix, Tampa and San Fran where you have to take a shuttle/train to an off-campus facility. 

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On 3/26/2019 at 9:15 AM, ucgrady said:

I may be behind but that's the first rendering I've seen of the new rental car facility. Are there any other renderings, especially interior, out there? It looks like it should be nice and is more in line with what other airports are doing. I like that our rental facility will be directly attached, unlike my most recent trips to Phoenix, Tampa and San Fran where you have to take a shuttle/train to an off-campus facility. 

 

To be fair to PHX, there isn't a lot of space to put a rental car lot adjacent to the airport and not in approach paths for the runways. PHX is nice because there is a ton of parking adjacent to the airport. Very few lots are more than a 3 minute shuttle to the terminal.

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I've never seen any renderings of the interior but there are other exterior renderings out there, maybe on CVG's website. It will be nice to have all of the rental agencies consolidated into one facility connected to the terminal, although as a Cincinnati resident, I don't ever plan on using it. The airports that make you take a shuttle to a consolidated car rental facility are a pain; especially for transit riders, who typically have to take one shuttle from the terminal to the facility, then wait for the bus there.

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Where do CVG’s fares stand?

 

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Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport’s ranking among the top 100 airports when it comes to the average fares customers are paying fell by two places in the fourth quarter of 2018 compared to the same period a year ago, but the cost of a ticket rose slightly. 

 

According to statistics released by the U.S. Bureau of Transportation Statistics, CVG was the 26th-cheapest airport in the country to fly from with an average fare of $334.32. In the fourth quarter of 2017, CVG ranked as the 28th-cheapest airport with an average fare of $324.44. 

 

Nationwide, the average fare was $359. 

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/04/19/where-do-cvg-s-fares-stand.html


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Anecdotal evidence, no doubt, but I flew out of CVG this morning and there was an unbelievable line just to check luggage.  It's clear that the airport is doing well, which was a good thing.  

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I flew out Monday and the amount of cars at the ez park was insane. It looked like the entire lot was filled. Even the way back right corner.

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CVG ended March with 781k passengers enplaned and deplaned. This is a 6% increase YoY.

 

Total 2019 passengers are up to 1.95MM which is a nearly 5% increase over 2018.

 

Currently, CVG is on pace for approximately 9.4MM passengers in 2019. 

 

--Sorry for the late notice on pax counts. CVG was lazy with their report and so was I. We'll hopefully get April numbers in the next 7-10 days.

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CVG set to expand retail offerings

 

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Travelers at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport will have four new stores to shop at by the end of the month, with three already open.

CVG announced a series of changes to its retail offerings. Now open:

  • No Boundaries at Gate B10 is for outdoor enthusiasts with clothing and accessories, including jackets, backpacks, camping gear and eyewear.
  • TripAdvisor, the travel website, has a shop in the center of Concourse B that will offer travel supplies, electronics, apparel, books and magazines. The store will have a large-scale touch screen version of the website.
  • Gaslight Gifts at Gate B13 is named after the Clifton Gaslight District and includes local products from Montgomery Inn, Gold Star Chili, Skyline Chili, Rivertown Inkery, Cityscape Tiles and the Kentucky Bourbon Trail.

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/05/10/cvg-set-to-expand-retail-offerings.html


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45 minutes ago, aderwent said:

Will such a large facility affect CVG's passenger airline capacity leading to needed expansion?

 

 

It's highly unlikely. The facility is designed to handle 100 aircraft and therefore about 200 daily movements. That's 73,000 a year and would only represent a roughly 50% increase in aircraft movements over 2018. Most of these cargo flights will operate in the evening and overnight hours and would not interfere with most passenger flight banks.

 

CVG is also a very efficient airport given its 4 runway layout. Fun fact, London Heathrow currently handles three times more aircraft movements than CVG with half the number of runways.

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1 hour ago, thebillshark said:

That facility is absolutely enormous. I wonder how much power they could generate if they put solar panels on top. 

 

Yeah this is multi-level inside...most places like this have a steel mezzanine level about 15 feet above the concrete floor, but this looks like it might have multiple mezzanine levels. 

 

Also, the number of purported staff is relatively low as compared to DHL.  That leads me to believe that Amazon will have a strict size and weight limit for Prime service which will enable a highly automated sorting process. 

 

By comparison, DHL will ship *anything*, up to and including horses and exotic animals.  For example, wealthy polo players sometimes ship all six of their horses for a single overseas match via DHL, and those horses come through CVG. 

 

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CVG's passenger counts for April and YTD: 751,278 and 2,700,310 respectively.

 

April's passenger numbers are down 1% vs. 2018 but YTD passengers are still up 3.1% compared to 2018.

 

I don't have any details on the drop in passengers but I suspect it may be partially related to the lack of new city pairs this year. April 2018 saw Allegiant add Charleston and Sarasota and Frontier added service to Austin, San Jose, Jacksonville, San Antonio, and Raleigh/Durham.

 

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On 5/15/2019 at 1:58 PM, IAGuy39 said:

If only we had a bridge connect the West Side of Cincinnati to all these jobs...

 

Forgive my ignorance - why ISN’T there a bridge from the west side of the city to the airport?

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Just now, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

Forgive my ignorance - why ISN’T there a bridge from the west side of the city to the airport?

 

The hillsides are very steep and building a pair of approaches would cost as much or more than a bridge.  

 

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12 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

The hillsides are very steep and building a pair of approaches would cost as much or more than a bridge.  

 

 

Ah that makes more sense. Probably still worth it, but also understandable why it doesn’t exist. Thanks for the clarification. 

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17 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

Ah that makes more sense. Probably still worth it, but also understandable why it doesn’t exist. Thanks for the clarification. 

 

One has been proposed in that area going back to the 1940s and 50s but nothing ever happens.  

 

Now I suspect that a lot of people who live very close to Anderson Ferry Rd. would object because it would add a lot of traffic to that road and to the rest of Delhi.  Also, the road doesn't connect directly to Glenway.  It probably did back in the 1800s but it was severed when the rail yard expanded that is now the Glenway Crossing shopping center.  So there would be a lot of street improvements to do aside from simply building an approach to either side of the bridge.  

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