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5 hours ago, Cygnus said:

 

HMS Host is everywhere; why wouldn't they bid?

 

HMS Host has operated almost every restaurant at the airport for at least the last twenty years and they are downright horrible. Which makes me glad they didn't place a bid.

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17 hours ago, savadams13 said:

🤮 Dunkin has to be the worst new vendor coming to CVG. Bad decision by the airport board. There coffee might be ok but the food just plain awful. 

 

I disagree completely.  When it comes to Dunkin and Starbucks, most visit for coffee or specialty drinks, not food.  Dunkin coffee is light years better than Starbucks and also usually cheaper.  Too bad I no longer work at CVG, I was always wanted a Dunkin there. (There was one out in C Concourse for a few years back in the mid 2000's but didn't survive the Delta downsizing.)

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12 minutes ago, LtCheese said:

It's crazy to see the fares at DAY. They have seen pretty significant cuts in capacity over the past couple of years and it shows.

 

Furthermore, most of those cuts were the removal of a fairly low cost option in Southwest. Now, they are left with only a handful of seasonal flights from a low-cost airline with Allegiant. 

 

CVG's low average fare is obviously driven by the fact that Allegiant and Frontier both use it as a "focus" city. CMH's average would probably be a bit lower if Allegiant were flying there instead of LCK, but I can't imagine it would bump it down too much. 

 

It would be interesting to see how the averages would compare if you exclude the ultra low cost (Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant) airlines from the equation. That measurement would be more useful in terms of determining the average cost of business travel. 

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CVG sets new yearly record

 

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Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport set a new record for the number of local passengers it served in 2019, topping the previous mark, which was set in 2018.

 

In 2019, 4,336,775 passengers originating from CVG flew from the airport, an increase of 4.2% over 2018.

 

Low-cost carriers Allegiant Air, Frontier Airlines and Southwest Airlines have been driving passenger growth at CVG for the last six years. The airport now gets 28% of its traffic from low-cost carriers compared with 72% from the legacy airlines. The change has driven down airfares and continues to bring local passengers back to the market.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/01/22/cvg-sets-new-yearly-record.html


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36 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

CVG sets new yearly record

 

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Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport set a new record for the number of local passengers it served in 2019, topping the previous mark, which was set in 2018.

 

In 2019, 4,336,775 passengers originating from CVG flew from the airport, an increase of 4.2% over 2018.

 

Low-cost carriers Allegiant Air, Frontier Airlines and Southwest Airlines have been driving passenger growth at CVG for the last six years. The airport now gets 28% of its traffic from low-cost carriers compared with 72% from the legacy airlines. The change has driven down airfares and continues to bring local passengers back to the market.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/01/22/cvg-sets-new-yearly-record.html

 

 

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Be careful what you believe as stats tend to say whatever the presenter wants them to say.  Passenger traffic at CVG actually peaked in the early 2000s, at more than double the current traffic counts.

 

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As it clearly states they broke the record for local passengers, aka passengers originating from CVG.  They had a lot more total passengers back in the Delta hub days but that was due to a huge number of layovers who were simply flying through CVG.  

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6 hours ago, richNcincy said:

 

I disagree completely.  When it comes to Dunkin and Starbucks, most visit for coffee or specialty drinks, not food.  Dunkin coffee is light years better than Starbucks and also usually cheaper.  Too bad I no longer work at CVG, I was always wanted a Dunkin there. (There was one out in C Concourse for a few years back in the mid 2000's but didn't survive the Delta downsizing.)

Have to agree to disagree with you. I travel weekly for work and at least Starbucks has healthy on the go food options. I don't feel like complete sh*t after eating food at Starbucks like Dunkin.

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Yeah, no one is saying this is the same number of passengers as when it was a hub.  

 

It's a pretty stark turnaround though.  They've really picked up the pace from the dark days of 2012-2013.  Good growth so far, and if they can maintain it, you can envision CVG handling ten million passengers a year, which would be a great recovery.  

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17 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

It would be interesting to see how the averages would compare if you exclude the ultra low cost (Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant) airlines from the equation. That measurement would be more useful in terms of determining the average cost of business travel. 

 

Agreed. Delta and Endeavour account for about 40% of the traffic out of CVG with the non-ULCCs making up about 36%. There is also a decent amount of competition on many routes between legacy carriers and/or SWA.

 

10 hours ago, jdm00 said:

It's a pretty stark turnaround though.  They've really picked up the pace from the dark days of 2012-2013.  Good growth so far, and if they can maintain it, you can envision CVG handling ten million passengers a year, which would be a great recovery.  

 

I think 10MM pax/year is more than reasonable within 2 years. Increased frequencies and upgauging alone would go a long way towards that and that is to say nothing of new routes/airlines.

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Obviously the people using ULCCs aren't all going to go to a different airport or not fly. Some would have used Delta, United, etc. The numbers would certainly be lower, but some of those trips would happen.

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CVG fares rank among cheapest in the Midwest

 

The average fare at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport is the third cheapest in the Midwest, according to new data from the federal Bureau of Transportation Statistics.

 

The latest rankings of the top 100 airports in the U.S. based on passenger volume show that CVG is cheaper than every other Midwestern airport with the exception of Cleveland-Hopkins International Airport and Chicago-Midway International Airport.

 

CVG’s average fare was $314.37 in the third quarter of 2018, up from $305.77 a year ago. It is the 23rd-cheapest airport to fly from in the U.S., which includes airports in Hawaii. Cleveland’s average fare was $307.93, while Chicago-Midway’s was $307.56.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/01/23/cvg-fares-rank-among-cheapest-in-the-midwest.html

 

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^Is that photo supposed to be CVG with the Cincy skyline in the background?

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19 minutes ago, Pugu said:

^Is that photo supposed to be CVG with the Cincy skyline in the background?

 

Lol, if so, Southwest has really grown their presence at CVG and the Cincy skyline has gotten a lot taller!

 

More than likely the article and photo was meant for the Chicago biz journal and the Cincinnati paper just amended the story slightly for its use. 

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@ColDayMan plays by his own rules and doesn't always post photos from the articles and posts a photo of his choosing.

 

The cheapest airport was in Chicago, so he posted a photo of that airport. (I'm guessing that's why he chose that photo, since the article does say Chicago is the cheapest)

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^ & ^^  Okay, thanks. At first, I thought, man, Cincy is looking great! And then I thought it may have been an inappropriate (to the story) photo.

 

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London calling? Speculation builds on CVG-U.K. flight 

By Chris Wetterich  – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier

 

Cincinnati is in a race with St. Louis to land the next British Airways direct flight from the Midwest. At least that’s what St. Louis airport and government officials believe.

 

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You would think that by announcing this the way St. Louis did they are recognizing that Cincinnati is in the lead.

1) it is closer and more convenient to travel (cheaper operating costs)

2) with the P&G and Kroger connections as well as GE all having large operations over there (and now Mercy Health) there is a decent amount of demand in the local area. (I dont know about St. Louis business community) 

3) The Cincinnati airport has better infastructure to handle the flight.

4) Whatever other economic incentives the cities have to offer will probably be a wash 

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St. Louis has many more one world members than Cincinnati though since St.Louis use to be an American hub. Wonder if that will be taken into effect 

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With the de-emphasis on airline alliances over the past few years, I don't see that being a major factor in BA determining where to fly.

 

Here's a (not complete) list of BA flights to non Oneworld hubs:

AUS

ATL

BOS

BNA

SAN

SJC

SEA

PDX

 

BA is going to be looking for consistent load factors much more than some legacy AAdvantage elite members from a decade old hub.

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Man STL is a terrible airport. CVG is a lot more convenient to use, and it's closer to a lot more population hubs than St. Louis is. 


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Interesting to see that the analysis shows CVG, CLE, and CMH, and Indy (not sure of that code) all on the list as airports with 30,000+ fliers but no direct.  That would seem to be a positive for CVG/CMH/Indy getting the flight -- in theory, you could get some of the fliers from the nearby market (though maybe the 2 hours is just too far to expect folks to drive).  

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4 hours ago, jdm00 said:

(though maybe the 2 hours is just too far to expect folks to drive)

 

It's not. Just a few years ago, Cincinnatians were routinely driving to CMH and IND to save some money (and DAY, but that's a shorter drive). And that was often for domestic flights; I expect the tolerance would be greater for international flights. CVG now has much cheaper flights, so it's not done much anymore. (DAY is suffering without that traffic boost.)

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3 minutes ago, Robuu said:

 

It's not. Just a few years ago, Cincinnatians were routinely driving to CMH and IND to save some money (and DAY, but that's a shorter drive). And that was often for domestic flights; I expect the tolerance would be greater for international flights. CVG now has much cheaper flights, so it's not done much anymore. (DAY is suffering without that traffic boost.)


It needs to be significantly cheaper to make the drive worthwhile though. I was looking at prices for flying to Paris from CMH (obviously not direct) and CVG recently and most of the time the price is actually pretty comparable. At times it might be about $100-$150 to fly from CVG, but that’s not enough of a price difference for me to to make the drive down. Although the flight from CVG would be direct, the ~2 hour drive would essentially negate the time I would be saving by skipping a layover. Furthermore, I can have family/friends help me with pickup/drop off in Columbus but in Cincinnati I’m stuck with paying to park for the duration of my trip. 

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I think we need to keep in mind the market this flight will be targeting. BA is going to be catering to the business traveler and the nonstop is going to exist for the convenience of saving 1-3 hours of connection time. I was looking at AUS-LHR since Austin is similar enough to CVG and the BA nonstop is routinely $150-$200 more than a comparable one stop itinerary on AA or DL. 

 

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Who remembers when we got the Delta flight back in 1987~?  They put up billboards all over town with those fuzzy-hatted Buckingham Palace guards.  

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The Gatwick flight had a lot of travelers on it. THere was a strong built in Cincy connection. GE, P&G amongst others sent a lot of people there. GE also sent a ton to Paris which is why there is still that flight, but the Gatwick flight was fairly popular.

Given its history, I can see a London flight coming back. They had no history with StL 

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^There was also the time when they flew the Concorde into Cincinnati around 1990.  I don't know why they did it, but it was a big ego lift for all of Cincinnati.  We got to pretend we were super big-time for a day.   

 

Ooh - I found an article on it.  Turns out some company chartered the Concorde as a publicity stunt.  That's pretty big-time, actually:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cincom-celebrates-25th-anniversary-bringing-195124274.html

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CVG Passenger Stats for January 2020

 

January:

2019: 590,977

2020: 628,729

Var: +6.4%

 

YTD

2019: 590,977

2020: 628,729

Var: +6.4%
 

January kicked off 2020 strong with a 6.4% growth YoY. I feel like January went by in a flash and there wasn't a whole lot of news that came out as far as flight ops. SWA is cutting back frequency to MDW to 4x weekdays, 1x Sat, and 3x Sun due to the MAX groundings. We do also have some data on Southwest and Frontier load factors from November (h/t to user jplatts at airliners.com):

 

Southwest:
CVG-BWI - 68.17%
CVG-DEN - 85.62%
CVG-MCO - 76.46%
CVG-MDW - 70.77%
CVG-PHX - 95.54%

Frontier:
CVG-ATL - 80.62%
CVG-AUS - 79.48%
CVG-DEN - 82.70%
CVG-FLL - 72.28%
CVG-JAX - 72.78%
CVG-LAS - 82.88%
CVG-LAX - 89.98%
CVG-LGA - 89.11%
CVG-MCO - 79.81%
CVG-MIA - 67.94%
CVG-MSY - 75.87%
CVG-PHL - 71.15%
CVG-PHX - 74.43%
CVG-RSW - 75.17%
CVG-SFO - 76.03%
CVG-SRQ - 59.89%
CVG-TPA - 81.22%

 

 

More evidence that CVG could certainly accommodate at least 2 daily frequencies to PHX year round from AA/DL/SWA. I would expect to see that happen at some point soon.

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On 2/7/2020 at 6:26 PM, jmecklenborg said:

^There was also the time when they flew the Concorde into Cincinnati around 1990.  I don't know why they did it, but it was a big ego lift for all of Cincinnati.  We got to pretend we were super big-time for a day.   

 

Ooh - I found an article on it.  Turns out some company chartered the Concorde as a publicity stunt.  That's pretty big-time, actually:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cincom-celebrates-25th-anniversary-bringing-195124274.html

It was here again in the mid 90s too. I went down one of the trails at the ends of the runways to get a pic of it flying over and it ended up going the other way. Doh! This was pre 9-11 to so im betting id be arrested if i went there again to try the same thing on an active runway area. I saw the one you mention above fly over my parents house in Price Hill. It was breathtaking.

 

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CVG tops off major project: PHOTOS

By Erin Caproni  – Digital Producer, Cincinnati Business Courier

 

The Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport has reached a milestone on a huge project.

The airport and Messer Construction hosted a topping off ceremony for its 1.2 million-square-foot rental car facility on Wednesday.

The highest beam was installed on the structure, which will be connected to the terminal for passengers to perform rental car transactions starting in 2021.

 

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CVG is announcing a new airline to serve the airport on Friday. Thinking either Alaska or Spirit. Still don't think JetBlue is ever going to take the Midwest seriously. What do others think it could possibly be?

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4 minutes ago, savadams13 said:

CVG is announcing a new airline to serve the airport on Friday. Thinking either Alaska or Spirit. Still don't think JetBlue is ever going to take the Midwest seriously. What do others think it could possibly be?

 

My guess is SPirit or some new startup airline.

 

I am sure if it were Jet Blue we would hear about it by now through the rumor mill and  you would see something on the Jet Blue website (hidden on it or course)


I dont think Alaska is coming here yet (although it would be great if they did). Depends on how much demand there is for another flight to Seattle at this point. Cant see them doing anything outside of a flight to Seattle. 

 

Maybe British is announcing their new international service to London, but I think it would probably have leaked out by now too.

 

This is why I bet it is a small startup or Spirit type airline. 

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My guess would be Alaska to SEA as well. DL increased its frequency to SEA from CVG recently and with the AS/AA partnership, SEA is going to become a major battleground.

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1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

There has to be some super sleuth around here with a connection to get the scoop before everyone else does?

 

 

I used to when I worked there.  Haven't in almost three years though.

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It's definitely a possibility but with both AA and BA announcing additional capacity to LHR from SEA, there might be some issues with slot allotments that would need to be sorted out. A BA announcement would probably be later in the year I'd guess.

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This is great news for CVG. The Delta/AS battle will be great for consumers here in Cincinnati. Same goes for the Columbus folks.

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20 hours ago, LtCheese said:

It's definitely a possibility but with both AA and BA announcing additional capacity to LHR from SEA, there might be some issues with slot allotments that would need to be sorted out. A BA announcement would probably be later in the year I'd guess.

They would not be able to keep quiet about it prior to the announcement. It would be like when Southwest landed at CVG.

 

Alaska is a perfect addition and it really makes a ton on sense, not just with the AA/BA flights overseas (it really makes no sense to connect in Seattle to go to England, New York is a much better gateway at that point). With the Prime Air Hub ramping up, you figure there will be a ton of additional Amazon traffic on those flights and a lot of guarantees in seat purchases. I could even see Delta adding another non-stop to Seattle in the coming years.

 

 

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To confirm...

 

CVG gets a new carrier serving west coast

 

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Alaska Airlines announced daily service Friday from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport to Seattle, giving CVG another key direct flight as Amazon prepares to open its air services hub in 2021.

 

The once-daily flight will also provide CVG new connections to the west coast, Alaska and Hawaii and is viewed by CVG officials as another key route for Cincinnati business. Twenty-nine connections will be available via the flight, according to Alaska Airlines.

 

The flights also provide competition on the route, with Delta having a direct flight to its hub in Seattle.

 

The service offers "great times for our business travelers or anyone who is looking to go to the west coast on vacation," said CVG CEO Candace McGraw. "We're hoping this is the start of a very long relationship with Alaska, and there will be even greater things to come."

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/03/06/cvg-gets-a-new-carrier-serving-west-coast.html


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CVG ranks No. 1 for customer service

 

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Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky has been ranked as the top North American airport for customer service by the Airports Council International.

 

CVG won the 2019 Airport Service Quality Award for North American airports with 5 to 15 million passengers.

 

“The Airport Service Quality Awards represent the highest possible recognition for airport operators around the world and recognize excellence in customer experience,” ACI World Director General Angela Gittens said.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/03/09/cvg-ranks-no-1-for-customer-service.html


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CVG passenger numbers for March 2020 (372k) vs March 2019 (781k) are down 52%.  I suspect April numbers will be down ~80%. 

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CVG is among the world's best airports, industry group says

 

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Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport was again ranked the best regional airport in North America by London-based Skytrax based on a surveys of airport customers worldwide.

 

It’s the seventh year out of nine that CVG has won the award for airports that primarily serve regional traffic. CVG regularly touts the ranking to passengers and in marketing materials.

 

“To earn this distinction for seven of the last nine years reflects the outstanding commitment of the best airport team and partners in this industry,” said CVG CEO Candace McGraw. “As our community readies to start traveling again, they can be assured that an excellent airport experience—one that is safe and healthy—always has been and always will be our top priority.”

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/05/11/cvg-is-among-the-worlds-best-airports-industry.html


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Delta Air Lines closing Cincinnati pilot crew base due to COVID-19

About 150 pilots impacted

 

Delta Air Lines Inc. is closing its crew base of local pilots, impacting about 150 people in Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky.

 

The move represents yet another downsizing for the Atlanta-based airline that once operated one of its largest hubs out of CVG Airport in Hebron. It also comes just a few months after PSA Airlines, a regional carrier owned by American Airlines, closed its 400-employee crew base of pilots and flight attendants at CVG.

 

Airport officials could not be reached immediately for comment.

 

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