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UAL, AA, TWA all had piano bar lounges on their 747/DC-10/L1011 aircraft back in the early '70's.  Prior to deregulation these aircraft always had alot of empty seats anyway.  By the late '70's with the increase demand in air travel, the entertainment gave way to revenue and the seats were put back in.

 

The piano's were aluminum I think......, I seem to recall that one carrier used wurlizer organs.

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Ah, when I watch '70s movies they always show that area near the front of the airliner with an open space for entertainers and the spiral steps leading up to the "VIP Lounge". I've never gotten to ride on a plane like that!

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New Service from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG)

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-Airways-Connect-Customers-prnews-2940004571.html?x=0

US Airways' wholly owned subsidiary PSA Airlines will operate daily service to Cincinnati on 50-passenger Canadair Regional Jet (CRJ 200) aircraft. Flight 2487 starts May 2. All other flights begin May 3. The flight schedule is as follows:

 

To Reagan National (DCA)

 

Flight  Departure    Arrival     

 

2490    6:00 a.m.        7:44 a.m. 

 

2492    12:40 p.m.      2:24 p.m. 

 

2496*  5:50 p.m.        7:54 p.m.

From Reagan National (DCA)

 

Flight  Departure      Arrival

 

2491    10:10 a.m.      12:00 p.m.

 

2495*  3:30 p.m.        5:20 p.m.

 

2487    9:05 p.m.        10:55 p.m.

 

 

 

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This has probably been said elsewhere in the forum, but I love flying into DCA.  When I used to go for conferences at the convention center, and if I carried my bag on, I could be from the plane to my hotel at Chinatown/Gallery Place in a half an hour.  I think it's the gold standard for public transit at an airport.

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Interested as to why US added these flights to CVG. Anyone know of any governement contract or business relocation that could have fueled this? I suppose it will be good for connections as well though.

 

DCA is also one of my favorite airports...it's small enough to be really convenient, but big enough that there are frequent flights to lots of places. The Metro access is excellent and possibly the easiest transfer onto public transit of any airport in the US.

 

Unfortunately because the traffic there is heavily business and gov't-related, the fares are quite high which is why most DC-area leisure pax end up out at BWI. Also, DCA has a perimeter rule so there are few flights to the west coast and hardly anything international excpet for YUL & YYZ.

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This has probably been said elsewhere in the forum, but I love flying into DCA.  When I used to go for conferences at the convention center, and if I carried my bag on, I could be from the plane to my hotel at Chinatown/Gallery Place in a half an hour.  I think it's the gold standard for public transit at an airport.

 

And if you sit on the right side of the plane, flying out is awesome as well!

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What do you all think of my idea...airport officials should pay local musicians to perform at CVG. Details here: http://www.urbancincy.com/2012/01/airport-officials-should-pay-local-artists-to-fill-cvg-with-music/.

 

Maybe a better way would be to allow them to work for tips?

 

There's a little bit of street theatre going on at NOTL. I've been to a wonderful little town where the street theatre was so good that it actually attracted people to the square, and all the artists worked for tips.

 

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Interested as to why US added these flights to CVG. Anyone know of any governement contract or business relocation that could have fueled this? I suppose it will be good for connections as well though.

 

DCA is also one of my favorite airports...it's small enough to be really convenient, but big enough that there are frequent flights to lots of places. The Metro access is excellent and possibly the easiest transfer onto public transit of any airport in the US.

 

Unfortunately because the traffic there is heavily business and gov't-related, the fares are quite high which is why most DC-area leisure pax end up out at BWI. Also, DCA has a perimeter rule so there are few flights to the west coast and hardly anything international excpet for YUL & YYZ.

 

I believe US and Delta are doing a slot swap at LGA & DCA. Delta is taking over LGA from US and vice versa. Hence, I believe Delta will reduce service from CVG-DCA and possibly increase CVG-LGA.

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What do you all think of my idea...airport officials should pay local musicians to perform at CVG. Details here: http://www.urbancincy.com/2012/01/airport-officials-should-pay-local-artists-to-fill-cvg-with-music/.

 

Maybe a better way would be to allow them to work for tips?

 

There's a little bit of street theatre going on at NOTL. I've been to a wonderful little town where the street theatre was so good that it actually attracted people to the square, and all the artists worked for tips.

 

Many people confuse street performers working for tips as bums. If you want to avoid this false perception, and create a non-invasive welcome, while also guaranteeing payment for these musicians, you should just pay them outright.

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Opening of the newly revovated A Concourse is set for May 15th. Terminal 2 will be even more cramped with the 3 added DCA daily flights for about two weeks before the move to A is complete.

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Some quick CVG updates on the Delta side:

 

Las Vegas and San Francisco go down to 1 daily for the summer schedule...kind of concerning since this is typically a higher traffic season.

 

San Diego will end 9/2/2012...this route was chopped but came back last year and apparently is going again.

 

I really thought CVG had really been trimemd to the bone, but apparently this fuel spike is forcing further cuts.

 

Also concerning is that DL will end MEM-AMS...a route often compared to CVG-CDG, as it's that station's only wideboy international flight. Fingers crossed that CDG stays around here in Cincy....

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DHL adding 280 jobs at CVG

Business Courier

Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 7:27am EDT

 

A major expansion at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport starts Wednesday morning, wcpo.com reported.

 

DHL is adding 280 jobs and investing $47 million in a new sorting facility at its CVG hub. The project will create a nearly 200,000-square-foot sorting facility.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/morning_call/2012/03/dhl-adding-280-jobs-at-cvg.html

 

 

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And today's Enquirer Guest Column:

 

DHL 'superhub' our global connection

Stephen Fenwick, CEO for DHL Express Americas

 

Leipzig’s got one, Hong Kong’s got one, and Cincinnati does, too.

 

Cincinnati completes the trio of so-called “super hubs” – the backbone of the DHL global logistics network. So what makes the hub at CVG a super one?

 

Location, location, location. Cincinnati is only a one-hour flight to two-thirds of the entire U.S. population. From here, DHL connects to every part of the country, as well as to Canada and Latin America. Cincinnati also has daily direct connections to Europe, the Middle East and Asia. And that’s just the beginning.

 

Cont


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^Direct European flights could stand to be restocked a bit, I realize it's not 2001 anymore, but it's not good that CVG is damn near strictly national at this point.  Combine that with the Delta monopoly status quo and you get one of the most poorly managed, nepotistic airports anyone could imagine.

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CVG airport eyes London service

 

By Dan Monk

 

The Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport is negotiating with a charter company to establish twice-weekly flights to London this summer.

The seasonal service could start by June and run through September, targeting primarily leisure travelers, according to sources who have been briefed on the plans.

Meghan Glynn, vice president of external relations for the airport known as CVG, declined to confirm the talks, citing confidentiality concerns. But she also described London as “a recurring ask” among business and leisure travelers who use CVG.


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well that's very interesting! Sun Country did this from MSP the last two summers and I believe it was pretty successful, so they might be the ones behind this.

 

A summer charter that's only 2x per week does nothing for the business traveller, however.

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Terminal Sickness

How a thirty-year-old policy of deregulation is slowly killing America’s airline system—and taking down Cincinnati, Memphis, and St. Louis with it.

 

It was certainly one of the hardest choices that I’ve ever made,” explained Fernando Aguirre. He’d raised his family and built his career in Cincinnati, Ohio, rising through the ranks of the city’s business elite, first as an executive at Procter & Gamble’s headquarters and later as CEO and chairman of Chiquita Brands International. Along the way, he became a fanatical fan and part owner of the Cincinnati Reds baseball team, as well as a proud sponsor of the Chiquita Classic golf tournament, the proceeds from which he poured into local philanthropies.

 

But last fall, Aguirre confirmed Cincinnati’s worst fears by announcing that he and his company were—very reluctantly—skipping town, and for a reason that cast an even deeper shadow over the city’s economic future. Cincinnati has long been (and for now remains) a major business center, the headquarters of six Fortune 500 companies and fifteen Fortune 1000 companies, including not just household-name producers like Procter & Gamble and Chiquita but also retail giants like Macy’s and the Kroger grocery chain. With a population of 2.1 million, it’s the twenty-seventh-largest metro area in the United States. But running a national, much less international, business out of Cincinnati is becoming more and more problematic for a simple reason: inadequate air service.

 

It's a long article, but worth reading.

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CVG adding service to Caribbean, Mexico vacation spots

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2012/03/29/cvg-adding-service-to-caribbean.html

 

Vacation Express is starting seasonal nonstop flights to Caribbean and Mexico destinations from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport.

 

The seasonal service runs May 25 through Oct. 29. Service from CVG will include seven-night packages to Punta Cana, Cancun and Jamaica.

 

Flights will be operated by Canadian carrier Sunwing -- who I bet is also behind the possible London flights...they do lots of Canada-Europe stuff.

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Opening of the newly revovated A Concourse is set for May 15th. Terminal 2 will be even more cramped with the 3 added DCA daily flights for about two weeks before the move to A is complete.

 

Currently, the tunnel from Terminal 3 to Concourse B is closed to pedestrians for renovations, and both trains are running.  I assume both trains will remain in operation after Concourse B reopens.  The airport is going to seem much busier once all passengers are using the same security checkpoints, baggage claims, etc.

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Looking for Volunteers**

CVG is looking for a few volunteers to help simulate the passenger experience and provide feedback as we put the final touches on Concourse A and Terminal 3.  The volunteers will be asked to help us simulate the travel of a typical passenger to and through Terminal 3 and Concourse A; from parking to check-in at the ticketing counter to check in at the boarding gate.  After checking in at the gate volunteers will return to Terminal 3 as an arriving passenger.  The time commitment is minimal (only a couple hours) and volunteers will have the opportunity to see the new facilities before the general public while helping the Airport identify any areas of concern to ensure a smooth reactivation of Concourse A.

 

Responsibilities of volunteers:

Be available for to participate in simulations on May 8th or May 9th

Treat this as you would any trip through CVG.

Be prepared to provide feedback on ticketing, customer experience and directional signage.

Yes, we are going to make you find your way to the new restroom facilities so you can experience our new fixtures and upgraded appearance.

 

If you are interested in volunteering please provide your full name, date of birth and availability on May 8th or May 9th to Adam Kressler (akressler@cvgairport.com or 859-767-4710) by May 1st.

 

**Volunteers will be selected on availability and need.

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Numerous links are imbedded in the original press release at:

http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2012/bts021_12/html/bts021_12.html

 

BTS Releases 4th-Quarter 2011 Air Fare Data

 

4th-Quarter Domestic Air Fares Rose 10% from 4th Quarter 2010 Top 100 Airports: Highest Fares at Cincinnati, Lowest Fares at Atlantic City

 

Domestic Air FaresAverage domestic air fares rose to $368 in the fourth quarter of 2011, up 10 percent from the average fare of $335 in the fourth quarter of 2010 (Table 1), the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS) reported today.  Cincinnati had the highest average fare, $502, while Atlantic City, NJ, had the lowest, $189 (Table 3).

 

Fourth-quarter fares increased 2.1 percent from the third quarter (Table 2). Quarter-to-quarter changes may be affected by seasonal factors.

 

BTS, a part of the Research and Innovative Technology Administration, reports average fares based on domestic itinerary fares. Itinerary fares consist of round-trip fares unless the customer does not purchase a return trip. In that case, the one-way fare is included. Fares are based on the total ticket value which consists of the price charged by the airlines plus any additional taxes and fees levied by an outside entity at the time of purchase. Fares include only the price paid at the time of the ticket purchase and do not include other fees, such as baggage fees, paid at the airport or onboard the aircraft. Averages do not include frequent-flyer or “zero fares” or a few abnormally high reported fares.

 

When not adjusted for inflation, the $368 fourth-quarter 2011 average fares were up 6.6 percent from the previous fourth-quarter high of $345 in 2008. Unadjusted fourth-quarter fares dropped to $320 in 2009 during the recession. Fourth-quarter 2011 fares were up 15.2 percent from 2009, not adjusted for inflation. They were also up 23.9 percent from the post 9/11 low of $297 in 2004 (Table 6).

 

Fourth-quarter 2011 fares, not adjusted for inflation, were the second highest of any quarter, exceeded only by the high of $370 in the second quarter of 2011. Adjusted for inflation, fourth-quarter 2011 fares in 1995 dollars were $251, down 16.3 percent from the fourth quarter of 2000, which, at $300, was the inflation-adjusted high for any fourth quarter since 1995 (Table 1). BTS air fare records begin in 1995. See BTS Air Fare web page  for historic data.

 

Average fares for the full year in 2011 were the highest on record at $364, up 8.3 percent from 2010. The 2011 fares were up 5.2 percent from 2008, which at $346 was previously the highest year on record since 1995, not adjusted for inflation. Adjusting for inflation in 1995 dollars, fares in 2011 averaged $247, up 4.9 percent from 2010 but down 17.6 percent from the inflation-adjusted high of $300 in 2000.  See Annual Fares .

 

Passenger airlines collected 71.4 percent of their total revenue from passenger fares during the third quarter of 2011, the most recent quarter available (Table 1A).

 

Air fares in the fourth quarter of 2011 increased 8.3 percent from the fourth quarter of 2000, not adjusted for inflation, compared to an overall increase in consumer prices of 29.7 percent during that period. In the 16 years from 1995, the first year of BTS air fare records, air fares rose 28 percent compared to a 47 percent inflation rate (Table 6). The average inflation-adjusted fourth-quarter 2011 fare in 1995 dollars was $251 compared to $288 in 1995 and $300 in 2000 (Table 1).

 

See Tables 3-5 for data about the top 100 airports  based on 2010 originating passengers.

 

Table 3: Five highest and five lowest average fares in the fourth quarter: Cincinnati, a market with a high representation of business travelers, had the highest average fare, $502, while Atlantic City, a leisure-dominated market, had the lowest, $189. For the Top 100 Airports, see Table 8  on the BTS website.

 

Table 4: Five largest increases and five largest decreases from the fourth quarter of 2010 to the fourth quarter of 2011: Fort Myers, FL, had the largest increase, 26.4 percent, and Charleston, SC, had the largest decrease, 8.3 percent. For the Top 100 Airports, see Table 9  on the BTS website.

 

Table 5: Five largest increases and five largest decreases from the fourth quarter of 2000 to the fourth quarter of 2011: Burbank/Glendale/Pasadena, CA, had the largest increase, 59.1 percent, and White Plains, NY, had the largest decrease, 34.9 percent. For the Top 100 Airports, see Table 10  on the BTS website.

 

For additional data, see Top 100 Airports , Rankings  or All Airports . Since average fares are based on the Origin and Destination Survey  10 percent ticket sample, averages for airports with smaller samples may be less reliable. Fares for Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico airports are not included in rankings but are available on the web page. First-quarter 2012 average fare data will be released on July 26.

 

Table 1: 4th Quarter Average Fares 1995-2011 Compared to Inflation Rate

 

Fares based on domestic itinerary fares. Itinerary fares consist of round-trip fares unless the customer does not purchase a return trip. In that case, the one-way fare is included. Fares are based on the total ticket value which consists of the price charged by the airlines plus any additional taxes and fees levied by an outside entity at the time of purchase. Fares include only the price paid at the time of the ticket purchase and do not include other fees, such as baggage fees, paid at the airport or onboard the aircraft. Averages do not include frequent-flyer or “zero fares” or a few abnormally high reported fares.

 

Average Domestic 4Q Fares ($) Percent change from previous year Percent change from 1995

Average Fares (4Q to 4Q) Inflation (Dec from previous Dec)* Cumulative Average Fares (4Q 1995 to 4Q of each year) Cumulative inflation rate (Dec of each year from Dec 1995)* Average Fare in 1995 dollars

1995 288 288

1996 278 -3.3 3.3 -3.3 3.3 269

1997 294 5.5 1.7 2.0 5.1 279

1998 316 7.7 1.6 9.9 6.8 296

1999 318 0.6 2.7 10.5 9.6 290

2000 340 7.0 3.4 18.2 13.4 300

2001 300 -11.8 1.6 4.2 15.1 260

2002 309 3.0 2.4 7.3 17.9 262

2003 316 2.2 1.9 9.7 20.1 263

2004 297 -5.9 3.3 3.3 24.0 240

2005 315 5.9 3.4 9.4 28.2 246

2006 318 1.1 2.5 10.6 31.5 242

2007 330 3.6 4.1 14.6 36.8 241

2008 345 4.7 0.1 20.0 37.0 252

2009 320 -7.4 2.7 11.1 40.7 227

2010 335 4.7 1.5 16.3 42.8 234

2011 368 10.0 3.0 28.0 47.0 251


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Agreed. Really frustrating to see Cincinnati back on top again. I have been noticing that Delta is slowly starting to reneg on its fare drops a few months ago. A simple CVG-NYC itinierary in a few months is $450, but is $230 from Dayton and $300 from Columbus.

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The United Airlines "you have to fly us regularly if you want to keep your hub" pressure on us Cleveland is high right now - and the fares are showing it... CLE is #11 on this list. Our NYC fares are easily in that $450-$500 range a month or so out - and I recently check BOS flight 6-8 weeks out and the cheapeast non-stop was $1050 on any airline. I could go right down the road to Akron/Canton and it was $175 nonstop... If I wanted to drive a bit longer to PIT, it was $150. Airlines are crazy... We always felt for CVG due to Delta stronghold - but now we're feeling the $ pain exactly like CVG

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Agreed. Really frustrating to see Cincinnati back on top again. I have been noticing that Delta is slowly starting to reneg on its fare drops a few months ago. A simple CVG-NYC itinierary in a few months is $450, but is $230 from Dayton and $300 from Columbus.

 

Yeah.  It was bad enough in the past when CVG was a real hub.  At least then we had great flight options.  Now we're the highest priced airline in the country AND we have to connect through ATL and SLC to get anywhere.  I'd give anything for another airline to significantly beef up its presence at CVG.

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The United Airlines "you have to fly us regularly if you want to keep your hub" pressure on us Cleveland is high right now - and the fares are showing it... CLE is #11 on this list. Our NYC fares are easily in that $450-$500 range a month or so out - and I recently check BOS flight 6-8 weeks out and the cheapeast non-stop was $1050 on any airline. I could go right down the road to Akron/Canton and it was $175 nonstop... If I wanted to drive a bit longer to PIT, it was $150. Airlines are crazy... We always felt for CVG due to Delta stronghold - but now we're feeling the $ pain exactly like CVG

 

Folks hub fares will always be higher.  In addition, you need to look at when you're buying a ticket and to what market.  NYC [LGA & EWR]-CLE is one of CLE's top routes, so of course the price is going to be high on this business route. 

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>At least then we had great flight options.

 

Not only were there flights to obscure places, but there were 10+ non-stops daily to many cities.  I remember ten years ago there 3 every night between 7pm and 8pm from Logan to CVG.  When you were in a Delta terminal anywhere, it made Cincinnati appear to be some gigantic place.   

 

I think there are only 3 non-stops now to LAX, I don't know how many to NYC.  It's $450 or $550 to LAX right now depending on which day and which flight. 

 

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The United Airlines "you have to fly us regularly if you want to keep your hub" pressure on us Cleveland is high right now - and the fares are showing it... CLE is #11 on this list. Our NYC fares are easily in that $450-$500 range a month or so out - and I recently check BOS flight 6-8 weeks out and the cheapeast non-stop was $1050 on any airline. I could go right down the road to Akron/Canton and it was $175 nonstop... If I wanted to drive a bit longer to PIT, it was $150. Airlines are crazy... We always felt for CVG due to Delta stronghold - but now we're feeling the $ pain exactly like CVG

 

Folks hub fares will always be higher.  In addition, you need to look at when you're buying a ticket and to what market.  NYC [LGA & EWR]-CLE is one of CLE's top routes, so of course the price is going to be high on this business route. 

 

More importantly is what day you are trying to fly.  If you are flying commuter time (Mon-Wed/Thur) airlines are going to charge significantly more as they know that the corporate office is going to pick up the tab in most cases.  There is a larger disconnect between Price and Timing.  Whereas if you look on weekend travel times the prices are significantly lower.  It's amazing how much the prices change.

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The United Airlines "you have to fly us regularly if you want to keep your hub" pressure on us Cleveland is high right now - and the fares are showing it... CLE is #11 on this list. Our NYC fares are easily in that $450-$500 range a month or so out - and I recently check BOS flight 6-8 weeks out and the cheapeast non-stop was $1050 on any airline. I could go right down the road to Akron/Canton and it was $175 nonstop... If I wanted to drive a bit longer to PIT, it was $150. Airlines are crazy... We always felt for CVG due to Delta stronghold - but now we're feeling the $ pain exactly like CVG

Really though. there are dozens and dozens of hubs MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper than CVG. So the hub thing is

 

Folks hub fares will always be higher.  In addition, you need to look at when you're buying a ticket and to what market.  NYC [LGA & EWR]-CLE is one of CLE's top routes, so of course the price is going to be high on this business route. 

Really though. There are dozens and dozens of hubs MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper than CVG. So the hub thing is just an excuse. If it's landing fee's causing it. Something should be done about it. Should have a decade ago.

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The United Airlines "you have to fly us regularly if you want to keep your hub" pressure on us Cleveland is high right now - and the fares are showing it... CLE is #11 on this list. Our NYC fares are easily in that $450-$500 range a month or so out - and I recently check BOS flight 6-8 weeks out and the cheapeast non-stop was $1050 on any airline. I could go right down the road to Akron/Canton and it was $175 nonstop... If I wanted to drive a bit longer to PIT, it was $150. Airlines are crazy... We always felt for CVG due to Delta stronghold - but now we're feeling the $ pain exactly like CVG

Really though. there are dozens and dozens of hubs MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper than CVG. So the hub thing is

 

Folks hub fares will always be higher.  In addition, you need to look at when you're buying a ticket and to what market.  NYC [LGA & EWR]-CLE is one of CLE's top routes, so of course the price is going to be high on this business route. 

Really though. There are dozens and dozens of hubs MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper than CVG. So the hub thing is just an excuse. If it's landing fee's causing it. Something should be done about it. Should have a decade ago.

 

You need to look at hubs market by market.  Look at Dallas, I bet a fare from a nearby airport, will be cheaper than from DFW.  even cheaper with a LCC.

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Well, DFW is kind of a bad example, since Southwest is based out of Love Field, the other airport in Dallas.  I'm guessing that those fares are cheaper than DFW. 

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Well, Concourse A is now open. Both trains are operational and both stop at the Terminal, Concourse A, and Concourse B. There seemed to be a few minor problems like a long wait for the bus to the "ValuPark" parking lot. You'd think it would be less of a wait since they only have to stop at one terminal instead of two... so we'll see if that improves.  I haven't flown out of CVG since the change, so I can't say if it takes any longer to get through security, now that everyone's funneled through one checkpoint.

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Delta's nonstop service CVG-PHX will bite the dust the Tuesday after Labor Day.  This may (may as in "I don't know") only be a seasonal move, but that's a significant market to lose. 

 

Don't look for a Delta newsrelease on this one like their absurd one a few months ago promoting additional service to DTW and ATL.

 

US Airways currently serves both IND-PHX and CMH-PHX non-stop, while Southwest serves SDF-PHX non-stop ......... we'll see if US Airways adds the market (I doubt it). 

 

Looks like Columbus and Louisville will have non-stop service to PHX, while Cincinnati will not.

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