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I like it better now that I have seen more renderings and I generally am not impressed by modern architecture. It sure beats the hell out of the new public library we have here in Seattle-what a monstrosity. I think it will look cool in the snow on a sunny winter day.

 

Off topic, what don't you like about the Seattle PL?

 

I could write a disertation on everything that is wrong with it but here goes:

 

i) not harminious in size, shape, materials with surrounding buildings;

 

ii) Cheap materials inside and out, interior floor is painted concrete;

 

ii) Garrish interior colors, one floor is all blood red, floor, walls and cielings. Some report vertigo and nausea when inside;

 

iv) Nobody likes it;

 

v) I could go on, the addition to the Cleveland Public library looks like the taj Mahal in comparison.

 

Haha, ok, well some people don't like the "off the shelf" look that most towns put out.

 

i. why are current designs required to lack any imagination and design just because the people who "designed" buildings before them lacked any creativity? Context in most cases is a word used when people don't understand contemporary design.

 

ii. Painted concrete floor is a lot more durable and a lot easier to maintain than any other material, can't speak to the rest of the materials

 

iii. refer to item i for color choices.

 

iv. lots of people like it, in fact it was named of of the best buildings of the decade by a highly regarded and respected group of Architect peers.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/08/architecture-survey-list-201008

 

v. the CPL has its place in the design realm, but I would take the Seattle over the CPL any day.

 

and we better end it at that before we get in trouble

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I love the design, however I can't picture how it fits in with the Triangle apartments...isn't that on that corner now? 

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Totally random thought as I have no idea how these things work...but maybe with a good design and vision someone like Peter B would be interested in donating or at least displaying some of Progressive's collection to the public there??  Don't they have a world class collection of modern art...and he is a big proponent of high modern design.  He practically funded Frank Gehry's formative years with his never built house.  And he always says if UC gets its s**t together he would be a much better civic partner with them.

 

I have no basis for this, just a random thought and could be completely wrong...just a "What if".  Seems like a natural fit to me though.

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...but maybe with a good design and vision someone like Peter B would be interested in donating or at least displaying some of Progressive's collection to the public there?

 

it takes a lot more than a pretty building to house a real collection. for every piece of art on a wall at a museum, there are a hundred more in storage. even at a small museum. the cost of maintaining a collection is shocking. this building is essentially a special exhibition space, with attached offices. it is not nearly large enough to hold a permanent collection, and the facilities necessary to support one. moreover, the whims of a single collector should not be the sole influence of what is acceptable(what is art...according to so and so) within a collection. rather, it should be a combination of careful selection and wonderful gifts.   

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It's unfortunate that the streetscape of Mayfield is such a disaster between Euclid and the railroad overpass.  Kudos to MOCA for not sugar coating this fact in its renderings, which show the hideous UH parking facilities and driveways in the background.  The [presumably] high quality hardscape of the new MOCA plaza is also going to highlight just how chintzy the Euclid Corridor build-out was through University Circle.  I'm liking the building more and more, though as it sinks in.

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The interior concept really reminds me the RnR HOF.  Just a different shape

 

I agree, and in my mind this is not a good thing. Moca often has live music and loud events, these big interiors are terrible for sound. The Pei building is interesting too look at, but a disaster for displaying that collection, and worse yet as a venue for live music.

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...but maybe with a good design and vision someone like Peter B would be interested in donating or at least displaying some of Progressive's collection to the public there?

 

it takes a lot more than a pretty building to house a real collection. for every piece of art on a wall at a museum, there are a hundred more in storage. even at a small museum. the cost of maintaining a collection is shocking. this building is essentially a special exhibition space, with attached offices. it is not nearly large enough to hold a permanent collection, and the facilities necessary to support one. moreover, the whims of a single collector should not be the sole influence of what is acceptable(what is art...according to so and so) within a collection. rather, it should be a combination of careful selection and wonderful gifts.

 

By no means did I expect Progressive to give their collection to them, nor did I say to stock the place with only art from that collection....nor did I state that I thought the MOCA had the resources to handle a huge collection. 

 

Rather, I was simply throwing it out there that maybe this is finally an opportunity for the public to get a glimpse of that world class art collection if they were able to display some of it sometimes....or received pieces as gifts.  I personally would love to see it since I have heard so much about it.

 

rather, it should be a combination of careful selection and wonderful gifts.

 

Possibly some wonderful gifts or selections from good corporate or private citizens that resides in....maybe...Cleveland?  And on that short list would be....maybe...Progressive??

 

 

 

 

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...maybe with a good design and vision someone like Peter B would be interested in donating or at least displaying...

 

I am not interested in debating what you wrote, but to be sure I was responding to the suggestion of a donated collection. I am more talking about the kind of building that is designed. as it is, this could not house or maintain a permanent collection. any donation implies permanent collection.

 

 

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Cleveland Foundation adds $500k to Museum of Contemporary Art Cleveland building campaign

Published: Friday, September 24, 2010, 5:42 PM 

Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer

 

 

 

Thanks to the Cleveland Foundation, the Museum of Contemporary Art Cleveland jumped $500,000 closer to its goal of raising $26.3 million for its proposed new building by the end of October.

 

The foundation, which had donated $1 million toward the new museum building in 2006, announced Friday it was making a second grant for a construction project, something it rarely does.

 

"This is pretty unusual for us," said Robert Eckardt, senior vice president for programs and evaluation at the foundation. "The board [of directors] wanted to send a signal both of the importance of the project, and the importance of getting it done."

 

MOCA has raised $22.8 million for the project, not including the foundation's grant. It needs to complete fundraising by Oct. 29 in order to qualify for federal and State of Ohio tax credits, which could pump an additional $4.5 million into MOCA's endowment. That money would help pay for ongoing operations in the new building.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2010/09/cleveland_foundation_adds_500k.html

 

 

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By Josephine Minutillo

 

"Talk to most architects in Ohio and they’ll tell you it’s a pretty conservative place. But while design innovation may be a hard sell for local architects, the state has had an astonishing track record in the last decade for giving cutting-edge foreign architects their first shot at building on American soil, arguably more so than more “forward-thinking” locales on either coast. "

 

 

 

http://archrecord.construction.com/features/encounters/1009Cleveland/1009Cleveland.asp

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GOOD NEWS!

 

MOCA Cleveland ready to pull trigger on $26.7 million building at Uptown in University Circle

Published: Monday, November 01, 2010, 12:09 PM    Updated: Monday, November 01, 2010, 12:34 PM

  Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer

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A rendering of the design for the new MOCA Cleveland building, which will be clad in glass and black stainless steel.

After five years of design and fundraising hampered by a recession, the Museum of Contemporary Art Cleveland is poised to embark on a $26.7 million project to create its first permanent home. MOCA's board of trustees is scheduled to vote Tuesday at 8:30 a.m. on authorizing construction of an architecturally dramatic new building designed by Farshid Moussavi of Foreign Office Architects in London.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/arts/index.ssf/2010/11/moca_cleveland_ready_to_pull_t.html

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Demolition is beginning on the corner of Euclid and Mayfield.  Crews were there this morning knocking out some of the first floor windows and doing other demo work.

 

The big absract art piece was lifted out last week, which sat in front of the triangle office building.

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Oh that looks like fun! I want to do what I won't charge a thing!


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Demolition crews have been working through the storm today and the corner triangle building is now completely demolished.  The piles of rubble are being hauled away.  I'd bet that it won't be too long before the site is ready for construction.

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an updated video presentation showing further details and updates to the interior and more accurate renderings of its surroundings

 

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/13382353" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/13382353">Tour the New MOCA Cleveland</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user3731873">Moca Cleveland</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

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